10-06-2011 03:17 PM
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  1. Winterfang's Avatar
    10 updates?!

    errg

    Pre-nodo
    Nodo
    Firmware update
    Security update
    Pre-Mango
    ...

    Why so many?
    10-01-2011 09:11 AM
  2. HeyCori's Avatar
    10 updates?!

    errg

    Pre-nodo
    Nodo
    Firmware update
    Security update
    Pre-Mango
    ...

    Why so many?
    Maybe his Zune software needed to be updated too?
    10-01-2011 09:46 AM
  3. Dileu's Avatar
    I m waiting, but not through choice - the Zune trick doesnt work in Windows Phone Connector for Mac.

    I don't understand why Apple can do worldwide simultaneous OS releases, but Microsoft has to drip feed them out over 4 weeks. What's up with that?

    Just a thought. Maybe Microsoft could give enthusiasts a way of finding out when they are scheduled to receive an update. Presumably if they are doing it by imei, then they already know when the update is due for any particular handset and user. If it's due at the end of October, then I can deal with that, but it's very frustrating not having any idea at all. Especially as I can't resist plugging the phone into my mac twice a day at least and checking just in case!
    10-01-2011 09:51 AM
  4. HeyCori's Avatar
    I don't understand why Apple can do worldwide simultaneous OS releases, but Microsoft has to drip feed them out over 4 weeks. What's up with that?
    I'm guessing it has to do with having to update so many different hardware variations.
    10-01-2011 09:56 AM
  5. Dileu's Avatar
    iOS 5 will have to deal with 3 screen resolutions, wp7 only has 1. IOS 5 will have to deal with the 3GS, 4, 5 (and possibly the 4S), iPad 1, iPad 1 3G, iPad 2, iPad 2 3G, iPod touch g2, g3 and g4. It will be dealing with 3 graphics chipsets, and 4 different main processors. It's not like apple has one model to deal with.

    My understanding is, that most of the updates for most of the WP7 phones are ready to go now, but it is being rolled out in stages - the first release representing 10% of the user base, and then in stages over the 4 weeks. My update (for vodafone branded HTC 7 Trophy) is there, sat on a server - presumably, it is staged like this to make sure their servers don't crash.

    My response, is for them to get more servers. Or rent a few for a couple of weeks. Which is exactly what Apple does.
    10-01-2011 10:09 AM
  6. kallemia's Avatar
    Well, we must remember that Apple controls the hardware, down to the exact material used. They have also designed the phone as well. I remember the WinMob experience, and the difficulty of even getting the update. This update experience, and that of NoDo even are not that bad. A great improvement indeed.
    10-01-2011 01:55 PM
  7. joemd60's Avatar
    10 updates?!

    errg

    Pre-nodo
    Nodo
    Firmware update
    Security update
    Pre-Mango
    ...

    Why so many?
    That's what it said, but it went quick. I don't know why there was so many, I did not want to sit there and stare at the screen. I was also afraid with 10 updates the phone might self destruct. :D
    Last edited by joemd60; 10-01-2011 at 08:06 PM. Reason: Typo
    10-01-2011 02:37 PM
  8. ninjaap's Avatar
    Wait for Mango? Crazy talk! When beta was leaked everyone said you have to go back to NoDo or you won't get Mango. When RTM was leaked, everyone said you have to go back to NoDo or you won't get Mango. Well I didn't go back to NoDo and I got Mango. Point is, it's obvious that MS supports our tinkering and impatience.

    To quote @billcox: FAQ: When eager #wp7 users "cut in line" for the Mango update, your wait doesn't get longer. We just add capacity automagically.

    source: Twitter via Dagolara

    So in theory, "line cutters" are doing everyone else a favor by adding more capacity :)
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    10-01-2011 03:25 PM
  9. jfa1's Avatar
    ninjaap I like your thinking!
    10-01-2011 03:35 PM
  10. MrRusty's Avatar
    Are you sure your getting the phone specific mango...

    Forcing Zune to do the back door update is all fine and good...
    But what I want to know is the update that Zune installs on your phone, is it the update made for your phone ie: HTC HD7 or is it a general mango update thats generic for all phones.
    From what I have read so far from Microsoft is that every Mango update is specific and custom made for each phone model and make.
    One phone might have a radio problem where one other phone might have a camera problem and another a life battery problem. So the mango update we force Zune to install might not be the right Mango update for that phone.
    And by the way the force worked the first time I tried it on my HTC HD7 :-)
    10-01-2011 03:57 PM
  11. kallemia's Avatar
    I never said they didn't support it. Obviously they tolerate it to some extent, though, to my knowledge, they have not said so publicly. I'm just celebratin' the other side of the street. No one is saying or implying that there's anything wrong with forcing the update. But likewise, there ought to be respect/acceptance for those who decide otherwise. And who's to say, only MS really knows what the data derived from the rollout are telling them.

    When patient wp7 users decide to wait for the official update, we are not questioning your decision to force an early update, or suggesting that it's some sort of kludge that will come back to haunt you. No, we're just stepping aside to make way!

    Kalle

    Wait for Mango? Crazy talk! When beta was leaked everyone said you have to go back to NoDo or you won't get Mango. When RTM was leaked, everyone said you have to go back to NoDo or you won't get Mango. Well I didn't go back to NoDo and I got Mango. Point is, it's obvious that MS supports our tinkering and impatience.

    To quote @billcox: FAQ: When eager #wp7 users "cut in line" for the Mango update, your wait doesn't get longer. We just add capacity automagically.

    source: Twitter via Dagolara

    So in theory, "line cutters" are doing everyone else a favor by adding more capacity :)
    10-01-2011 04:01 PM
  12. ninjaap's Avatar
    Are you sure your getting the phone specific mango...

    Forcing Zune to do the back door update is all fine and good...
    But what I want to know is the update that Zune installs on your phone, is it the update made for your phone ie: HTC HD7 or is it a general mango update thats generic for all phones.
    From what I have read so far from Microsoft is that every Mango update is specific and custom made for each phone model and make.
    One phone might have a radio problem where one other phone might have a camera problem and another a life battery problem. So the mango update we force Zune to install might not be the right Mango update for that phone.
    And by the way the force worked the first time I tried it on my HTC HD7 :-)
    In the past, MS update checks your IMEI number to figure out which phone s/w and h/w you have in order to find out which update to push. I'm sure this is no different.

    Plus if you do have a "general version" (like RTM Mango or 7712 Beta) you will get a "cleanup update" to get you in the right path, which will then be followed by the carrier specific update.
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    10-01-2011 04:07 PM
  13. ninjaap's Avatar
    I never said they didn't support it. Obviously they tolerate it to some extent, though, to my knowledge, they have not said so publicly. I'm just celebratin' the other side of the street. No one is saying or implying that there's anything wrong with forcing the update. But likewise, there ought to be respect/acceptance for those who decide otherwise. And who's to say, only MS really knows what the data derived from the rollout are telling them.

    When patient wp7 users decide to wait for the official update, we are not questioning your decision to force an early update, or suggesting that it's some sort of kludge that will come back to haunt you. No, we're just stepping aside to make way!

    Kalle
    I completely understand and respect your decision. Just stating why I chose to do it. :)
    kallemia likes this.
    10-01-2011 04:08 PM
  14. tridom's Avatar
    .........on the very first try.

    Will let you know if I have any problems. Like so many others, I got the phone with the expectation of this update and got fed up with waiting for it.
    10-01-2011 04:17 PM
  15. tridom's Avatar
    I never said they didn't support it. Obviously they tolerate it to some extent, though, to my knowledge, they have not said so publicly. I'm just celebratin' the other side of the street. No one is saying or implying that there's anything wrong with forcing the update. But likewise, there ought to be respect/acceptance for those who decide otherwise. And who's to say, only MS really knows what the data derived from the rollout are telling them.

    When patient wp7 users decide to wait for the official update, we are not questioning your decision to force an early update, or suggesting that it's some sort of kludge that will come back to haunt you. No, we're just stepping aside to make way!

    Kalle
    I respect your decision and your right to make it Kalle......and I thank you for "stepping aside to make way" for me to get it. (:->)
    kallemia likes this.
    10-01-2011 04:22 PM
  16. Dagolara's Avatar
    In the past, MS update checks your IMEI number to figure out which phone s/w and h/w you have in order to find out which update to push. I'm sure this is no different.

    Plus if you do have a "general version" (like RTM Mango or 7712 Beta) you will get a "cleanup update" to get you in the right path, which will then be followed by the carrier specific update.
    This was also confirmed on the latest Windows Phone Radio podcast. Even by cutting in line you will still get all the pertinent firmwares. Amusingly is was also tacitly suggested to go this route as well, cause well Mango is that good.
    10-01-2011 04:57 PM
  17. kallemia's Avatar
    Wondering when MS will release the authorization notifications for the next batch of Mango-updatable phones? From the first blog post that announced the staggered update scheme, Eric Hautala wrote that he would be posting blog updates "starting this week"... I mean, are we still at 10 percent? Have we gone up at all? I don't begrudge them the phased implementation of the update to Mango, but I do think they could stand to be a bit more communicative. Of course, given the way MS has handled smartphone strategies in general, perhaps this is to be expected.
    10-02-2011 01:06 PM
  18. erasure25's Avatar
    For all the people who say the trick works, there seem to be quite a few who say it doesn't work. Besides, they still get to do something I wanted to do earlier today: Find in page. :P
    It doesn't work if you don't time the disconnection at the right moment. It has to be after Zune has determined there is an update but before it checks your specific phone model/ID to see if the carrier has noted your particular account for an update. This is the only reason it won't work.
    10-02-2011 03:14 PM
  19. smartpatrol's Avatar
    People in this topic are spending more time rationalizing their decision not to do the early update trick than it would've taken to actually do it.
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    10-02-2011 04:04 PM
  20. Samsteele's Avatar
    I'm on a mac and as far as I can tell the Early update trick doesn't work on the connector so I'm still waiting. Impatiently.

    Telus
    LG Optimus 7
    10-02-2011 04:11 PM
  21. kallemia's Avatar
    That's why the thread was created... to give us waiters a thread of our own to kvetch and kvell... oh wait, that would be more rationalization... :P

    People in this topic are spending more time rationalizing their decision not to do the early update trick than it would've taken to actually do it.
    10-02-2011 06:23 PM
  22. kallemia's Avatar
    OK. I see that they've now increased the update flow to 50% - as reported by Eric Hautala on the Windows Phone Blog today - and I've checked my device itself and while connected to Zune. No dice again. So I am still on the other side of the mango mountain. Still waiting it out. Kind of curious now to see if I get update notification at all!

    Good thing I have too much real work to do to be doing the update. :P

    Kalle
    10-03-2011 04:50 PM
  23. jfa1's Avatar
    They MS said its still random but they are increasing to speed of release
    10-03-2011 08:56 PM
  24. kallemia's Avatar
    I have to say, after seeing this youtube video - I am tempted. I notice that he only had like 1.5 GB of data on his phone... 6.5 free. I have only 750 MB free at this point. Wonder if that would make a big difference in terms of time of update? Hmmm. Well, I'm still cool waiting. I have new Zune HD's to play with and I am sure they will require updating. :P

    Kalle
    10-06-2011 03:17 PM
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