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10-12-2011 04:07 PM
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  1. mmaman's Avatar
    And MS be forced to zune or kin it? I really hope not...
    10-07-2011 12:25 AM
  2. cckgz4's Avatar
    Windows Mobile (which is what WP7 is) has been around for years and Microsoft is like a billion dollar company. If anything, they'll revamp like they did before.
    10-07-2011 12:46 AM
  3. thed's Avatar
    Of course it could fail, but why bother worrying about it? Just enjoy your phone and convince your friends to get one if you can. Other than that there's really nothing else you can do.
    10-07-2011 12:53 AM
  4. Pronk's Avatar
    If it did, MS would replace it with something else - and hopefully have the sense to make whatever it is compatible to some degree. The possibility of one of the biggest software companies in the world not having a presence in the mobile market is pretty much zero.
    10-07-2011 02:37 AM
  5. fred.hillen's Avatar
    Nokia will keep WP7 in the game. Apollo will win it. Think of designs like the motorolla atrix but with windows 8 when you dock it, yet the phone is running all the same apps and UI as WP7.
    10-07-2011 03:14 AM
  6. jimski's Avatar
    Dream of where computing will be in 3-5 years. Now think of Microsoft "without" a mobile presence in that dream. Can't exist, right. So basically, the stakes are too high for WP to fail. They will throw everything they have at this and will ultimately succeed.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
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    10-07-2011 06:03 AM
  7. palandri's Avatar
    Microsoft has had Windows Mobile for a long time. Microsoft is too big financially to fail. Anybody remember when Microsoft was getting fined a million dollars a day? Analyst laughed and said it was pocket change to Bill Gates.
    10-07-2011 06:15 AM
  8. palandri's Avatar
    Dream of where computing will be in 3-5 years. Now think of Microsoft "without" a mobile presence in that dream. Can't exist, right. So basically, the stakes are too high for WP to fail. They will throw everything they have at this and will ultimately succeed.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    +1 Agreed!
    10-07-2011 06:15 AM
  9. smartpatrol's Avatar
    No, I don't think so. MS has deep pockets and they will do whatever it takes to stay in the mobile game, even if they have to lose money for years before they start turning a profit from it. Look what they have coming up:

    - Nokia, world's 3rd biggest smartphone manufacturer (and the best IMO) going exclusively with WP7 on their smartphones
    - Samsung, world's 2nd biggest smartphone manufacturer (and dangerously close to overtaking Apple), settling with MS and forming a closer relationship with them (read: making and advertising more Windows Phones)
    - much more integration between Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox

    I think it's almost certain that Windows Phone will become the 3rd place smartphone OS within the next year, and they'll continue to make steady gains after that.
    10-07-2011 06:48 AM
  10. HeyCori's Avatar
    Windows Phone is now part of their overall global strategy along with the Xbox and Windows 8 tablets. Microsoft will support WP even if they only sell 1 a year.
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    10-07-2011 06:55 AM
  11. palandri's Avatar
    ...Microsoft will support WP even if they only sell 1 a year.
    LOL! You got that right! Deep pockets.
    10-07-2011 07:02 AM
  12. species5618's Avatar
    Depends on the definition of fail. wp7 already failed to make much inroad in the market place and I don't see that changing anytime soon. However, mobile is part of windows now. Windows 8 will have mobile in mind for sure, so M$ will keep at it. With Nokia's help, it should manage to hold a minority position in the market(10%-20%?). I wouldn't call that success, but it's not a complete fail.

    I don't know who wp7 is targeting though. wp7 is extremely uncustomizable, yet it does not work in the enterprise environment. Young people probably won't spend a lot of money on a second tier device that can't even have customized background. Professionals probably need it work with their companies' network. Remove those two groups, the market suddenly becomes much smaller. That's said, wp7 has the advantage of integration with Xbox and hopefully Windows 8 later on. We will see.
    10-07-2011 07:14 AM
  13. duke1231's Avatar
    Like I have said in other posts. Look it the Xbox, when it came out, Playstation was killing in the market and people were laughing at the xbox. MS just put s*** loads of cash into it and now look at it, number one. They have also showed with the xbox that they could evolve, and adjust to the times by making the xbox into a entertainment box that goes well beyond video games. All I see is dust behind the xbox now.
    10-07-2011 07:15 AM
  14. archer75's Avatar
    Yes, they did that with the xbox. They worked hard to make it the market leader and threw tons of cash at it.

    They aren't doing that with windows phone 7. There are no advertisements. There aren't enough apps by a long shot.

    Honestly as of right now they don't seem that interested in WP7. At least not the way they were back when xbox launched.
    10-07-2011 08:04 AM
  15. species5618's Avatar
    Like I have said in other posts. Look it the Xbox, when it came out, Playstation was killing in the market and people were laughing at the xbox. MS just put s*** loads of cash into it and now look at it, number one. They have also showed with the xbox that they could evolve, and adjust to the times by making the xbox into a entertainment box that goes well beyond video games. All I see is dust behind the xbox now.
    It's slightly different from the xbox market. All of the big three were closed shops. Even then, WII won out until it stopped innovating.

    In the smartphone market, you got Android which is highly diversified and Apple which is richer than Microsoft. The strength of wp7 will have to be integration. Xbox, Office, Windows, that's a potent mix. Let's see whether M$ can execute on it.
    10-07-2011 08:14 AM
  16. selfcreation's Avatar
    it wont ever die , looking at what WP7.5 acn do ... and what WP8 (windows 8 ecosystem) WILL DO..... it int gona die

    even is MS does ZERo marketing and store reps keep pushing you away from WP7 it still won’t die.. why you ask.. its simple...

    Dont YOU have a wp7?
    I was told not to get one by the store rep , I saw Zero Adds for it.. and I still got it DAY 1! Lol and im sure its the same for 80% of the WP7 users.


    lol.. MS like any other big company has a Bunch of fanboys :) and followers. even if they stay at 5-10% shares its enought to keep them going.
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    10-07-2011 08:17 AM
  17. Airanp's Avatar
    I think there is always that possibility. I don't believe (hope) it's very likely they will abandon it as it seems to fit into thier plans for the future too much. I mean it's all part of the Xbox, Windows 8, WP compatibility theme they keep touting. I believe if they just start pushing it, advertising, and showing what the OS really all about more then they will make it successful. Maybe not first place but I for one am good with that. My only real fear is I would have to choose between switching to Android, or worse yet, return to an iPhone in the future.

    @species5618, there is a small, and I mean small level of customization, not to the level I am sure any of us would like but I can guarantee that my start screen looks nothing like yours when held up next to it except for the Metro theme. I mean, the apps I have, the pictures and live tiles I use, the placement, color, make it somewhat specific to my tastes. You can't say that with the iPhone, they are always going to be a grid of icons. I think we can both agree that MS need to step up the personal customiztion if they really want to attract people to their phones.
    10-07-2011 08:19 AM
  18. baseballbert's Avatar
    I'm not too sure the lack of apps is a bad thing. Since going WP im much more productive with my business because my phone is now a communications tool rather than a toy that distracts me.

    I don't spend nearly as much time "playing " with my phone as I do using it to get things done (email, text, editing docs, etc). If there were more apps, I'd probably be a lot more distracted like I was using ios.

    To be honest, I like it.

    Sent from my non mindless sheep iphone Samsung Focus using Board Express
    10-07-2011 08:48 AM
  19. theman60099's Avatar
    No, I don't think so. MS has deep pockets and they will do whatever it takes to stay in the mobile game, even if they have to lose money for years before they start turning a profit from it. Look what they have coming up:

    - Nokia, world's 3rd biggest smartphone manufacturer (and the best IMO) going exclusively with WP7 on their smartphones
    - Samsung, world's 2nd biggest smartphone manufacturer (and dangerously close to overtaking Apple), settling with MS and forming a closer relationship with them (read: making and advertising more Windows Phones)
    - much more integration between Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox

    I think it's almost certain that Windows Phone will become the 3rd place smartphone OS within the next year, and they'll continue to make steady gains after that.
    don't forget HTC.
    Depends on the definition of fail. wp7 already failed to make much inroad in the market place and I don't see that changing anytime soon. However, mobile is part of windows now. Windows 8 will have mobile in mind for sure, so M$ will keep at it. With Nokia's help, it should manage to hold a minority position in the market(10%-20%?). I wouldn't call that success, but it's not a complete fail.

    I don't know who wp7 is targeting though. wp7 is extremely uncustomizable, yet it does not work in the enterprise environment. Young people probably won't spend a lot of money on a second tier device that can't even have customized background. Professionals probably need it work with their companies' network. Remove those two groups, the market suddenly becomes much smaller. That's said, wp7 has the advantage of integration with Xbox and hopefully Windows 8 later on. We will see.
    it will change very soon, analysts are predicting wp7 to overtake iOS and will surely overtake BB if it already hadn't done so. and its MS not M$, don't be ignorant.
    10-07-2011 08:50 AM
  20. J4rrod's Avatar
    Depends on the definition of fail. wp7 already failed to make much inroad in the market place and I don't see that changing anytime soon. However, mobile is part of windows now. Windows 8 will have mobile in mind for sure, so M$ will keep at it. With Nokia's help, it should manage to hold a minority position in the market(10%-20%?). I wouldn't call that success, but it's not a complete fail.

    I don't know who wp7 is targeting though. wp7 is extremely uncustomizable, yet it does not work in the enterprise environment. Young people probably won't spend a lot of money on a second tier device that can't even have customized background. Professionals probably need it work with their companies' network. Remove those two groups, the market suddenly becomes much smaller. That's said, wp7 has the advantage of integration with Xbox and hopefully Windows 8 later on. We will see.
    Apparently you have no clue what Office 365, Exchange, Lync, or SharePoint is. WP7 is a great choice for businesses. See this link: Windows Phone for Business | Microsoft Office 365 | Windows Phone 7

    Also, the general public doesn't care about customization. iPhone is beyond successful and it is just as uncustomizable, and was beyond successful before they allowed you to change your wallpaper.
    10-07-2011 09:56 AM
  21. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    Apparently you have no clue what Office 365, Exchange, Lync, or SharePoint is. WP7 is a great choice for businesses. See this link: Windows Phone for Business | Microsoft Office 365 | Windows Phone 7

    Also, the general public doesn't care about customization. iPhone is beyond successful and it is just as uncustomizable, and was beyond successful before they allowed you to change your wallpaper.
    Idk....I kind of get that feeling that it seems like they don't know who they're targeting as well. I know they targeting the general consumer, but it seems like they're trying to forget the user base who made them...the business users. One thing, for example, is VPN support; HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE VPN SUPPORT IN A WINDOWS PHONE? Their SharePoint integration doesn't work well either, as I can't connect to our SharePoint site (it says our version isn't compatible)
    10-07-2011 10:15 AM
  22. Pronk's Avatar
    The only reason I could see it happening is because of massive unexpected change elsewhere. For example - the Windows 8 launch gets messed up in some way and sales are bad. The knock-on from this is that Steve Ballmer is replaced as CEO, and the new girl/guy decides to focus on re-establishing the core business and drop any areas underperforming on market share.

    Though to be honest, I think there's more chance of MS buying WebOS from HP and using that on its phones than that happening!
    10-07-2011 11:11 AM
  23. fifthGear's Avatar
    I think there's a bigger picture here that everyone's forgetting. MS is committed to this UI. Windows 8 will have it. Nobody knows what Windows Phone 7 is. When I talk about it or show it to people they're like, "what's that?" Once Windows 8 gets out there and people start to use Metro, I suspect MS will then really start to push Windows Phone as a mobile companion to Windows 8. It's hard to imagine that interest won't then be piqued. And by then, Windows Phone will be even more than it is now. MS is in for the long haul on this one.
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    10-07-2011 12:16 PM
  24. shlomo80's Avatar
    Dream of where computing will be in 3-5 years. Now think of Microsoft "without" a mobile presence in that dream. Can't exist, right. So basically, the stakes are too high for WP to fail. They will throw everything they have at this and will ultimately succeed.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    Will they is the big question.

    I mean, the battle has to be fought on marketing. MS now has a solid product. But no-one knows about it, I've seen like <6 other users of WP7 in the entire last year, and I commute often.

    And lets face it, marketing-wise, Microsoft is really more adept at shooting themselves in the foot more than anyone else. Remember the Windows 7 launch party debacle? People actually talked about that in Microsoft and someone signed it off as a great idea. Someone then made that standing-around-the-kitchen ad and signed off on that too - You can't tell me that was ironic.

    These days, Microsoft products are bought by two kinds of people:
    - Informed consumers / business buyers who know what they want - i.e. the most versatile PC platform out there and either cheaper or better hardware than Apple brings to the table
    - People who don't know what they want but who don't want to drop the coins on an Apple

    Everyone out there who doesn't know what they want and therefore are susceptible to marketing and have decent amounts of money to spend on tech are hoovering up shiny Apple crud like it's crack.

    Marketing isn't just fancy ads. It's what Apple do unbelievably well - it's joining up the dots in the sales process and making the dumbest of idiots feel like they're Einstein & a valued customer. And it's also not just the fact that they have to be good at marketing. The most influential people in tech press have changed in the 00's to popularity-seeking faux-geek (wannabe) liberal arts hipster types. Guess what brand they all worship? Yeah. Guess what brand they see as beneath themselves? Yeah.

    Microsoft marketing can't just be good. It's got to be freakin' faultless. And they aren't even mediocre right now.

    That is WP7's biggest hurdle in my opinion.
    Last edited by slomo; 10-07-2011 at 05:36 PM.
    10-07-2011 05:21 PM
  25. mapexvenus's Avatar
    It is a good question, and taking away any false sense of fanboyism, I believe that at the end of the day it is going to be a business decision. Microsoft invested a lot in the Kin, and the Zune was their flagship media player, but somewhere down the line (very early down the line for the Kin), Microsoft made a business decision. That is what this going to be about and irrespective of what you and I think it will boil down to Microsoft will be looking at their success in the mobility space, see if it aligns with their roadmap, and then decide whether to stay in the same or move on. I continue to believe that WP7 is still between a first and second gen mobile OS, but it is refreshingly different than anything else out there. To grow and sustain this platform Microsoft has to a lot , and in several areas, including improving the platform, marketing it, building / supporting a developer community, getting more handset manufacturers on the bandwagon, etc.
    10-08-2011 10:43 AM
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