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  1. Coffee's Avatar
    Can you pause last.fm from the lock screen? There are some advantages to the meshed together nature of windows phone.

    But I'm glad you found an app that works for you, that's the important thing.
    10-11-2011 10:15 AM
  2. Curtieson's Avatar
    I downloaded last.fm yesterday, put my favorite artist in the radio search and like Pandora it played all stuff related..a little better than Pandora even. And the best thing..there IS a stop button! And when I used the volume button after I stopped the song, the artist, song title, unpause, forward and back buttons didn't clumsily drop down next to the volume meter. Very clean! I pinned the app to my homescreen and now I can listen to music when I want and use my phone as a phone when I want and its not all meshed together.
    Hahaha, you know what is going to be funny? When Last.fm updates their app. They used to have a STOP button on their internet player and it was removed maybe 3 months ago and replaced by a.............PAUSE button!!! :lol:

    But yes...as Coffee said...you are gaining "cleanness" but giving up usability and accessibility.

    You know what is even cleaner than using a app to play your music? Using two completely different devices. Yet the answer to why you don't do that is obvious to you and us all.
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    10-11-2011 04:40 PM
  3. jdd77's Avatar
    Who said I didn't use a different device to listen to music? The thing that's obvious is I've never used a phone to listen to music before. But since I had to install Zune on my PC to "update" to mango, and its integrated into this phone, I figured I better make use of it. This is a forum and I asked questions and I appreciate the feedback... but it's just an os, you guys act like its the end of the world if someone dislikes or has a question about something. Geez!
    10-11-2011 05:18 PM
  4. Curtieson's Avatar
    Who said I didn't use a different device to listen to music? The thing that's obvious is I've never used a phone to listen to music before. But since I had to install Zune on my PC to "update" to mango, and its integrated into this phone, I figured I better make use of it. This is a forum and I asked questions and I appreciate the feedback... but it's just an os, you guys act like its the end of the world if someone dislikes or has a question about something. Geez!
    I am not talking about the OS at all, I am talking about Technology in general. We use devices to simplify our lives and make things easier...and just based on your comments you are sounding "stuck" in a "I've always done it that way" mode. Instead of trying to understand the reasoning behind the changes it seems like you are going out of your way to ignore them.

    As others have pointed out many times, this isn't an OS feature...nothing has a stop button anymore because technically speaking it is a complete fallacy.
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    10-12-2011 08:37 AM
  5. jdd77's Avatar
    I am not talking about the OS at all, I am talking about Technology in general. We use devices to simplify our lives and make things easier...and just based on your comments you are sounding "stuck" in a "I've always done it that way" mode. Instead of trying to understand the reasoning behind the changes it seems like you are going out of your way to ignore them.

    As others have pointed out many times, this isn't an OS feature...nothing has a stop button anymore because technically speaking it is a complete fallacy.
    I totally see your point in why it makes things simpler and how it makes more sense to pick up where you left off rather than starting over again. And how it works for millions of people.. Like I said, I'm new to this and I'm loving alot of it. But I just find certain "features" a bit of an annoyance.. like seeing a song I was listening to 10 hours ago still popping up whenever I use the volume key (which I use alot to mute and unmute my phone). This has nothing to do with technology, just personal preference. To me, it feels like the phone isn't smart enough to know I haven't used the music player for 10 hours. But as you said, it's supposed to be that way for convenience. I just have to get used to it...and I have many more questions
    10-13-2011 01:10 AM
  6. theman60099's Avatar
    I totally see your point in why it makes things simpler and how it makes more sense to pick up where you left off rather than starting over again. And how it works for millions of people.. Like I said, I'm new to this and I'm loving alot of it. But I just find certain "features" a bit of an annoyance.. like seeing a song I was listening to 10 hours ago still popping up whenever I use the volume key (which I use alot to mute and unmute my phone). This has nothing to do with technology, just personal preference. To me, it feels like the phone isn't smart enough to know I haven't used the music player for 10 hours. But as you said, it's supposed to be that way for convenience. I just have to get used to it...and I have many more questions
    ur still on this ese? get over it.
    10-13-2011 05:31 AM
  7. power5's Avatar
    Odd that the controls for the music play drop down anytime you press the volume button. I agree with others that stop is not needed, but the music controls should not show up every time I press the volume buttons. May erk me a bit also. Seems like something that does not need to be there. Do people need to have access to their music that fast? Like if I push pause on my song, then go and do other things, make calls, check flights on the net, ok done, now wheres my music, where, where, where? What I have to actually go back into the music app to start playing music again? Come on, why cant it just be there when I press the volume button? That's a bit silly to me. I agree with jdd. If I just pause and then lock my phone I would understand the music controls staying on the volume drop down. But if I pause then do other things, it should automatically "stop" and not be there anymore. Have to go back to the music player and pick up the song where it was paused.

    Whats really odd is that you were listening to a sample clip on a web site and when you left the site, the clip was still on your phone. How does that work?
    Last edited by power5; 10-13-2011 at 08:00 AM.
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    10-13-2011 07:54 AM
  8. dakranii's Avatar
    ur still on this ese? get over it.
    theman, seriously. Let people ask questions. What's the big deal? jd had a legitimate question to ask. Curtieson was at least courteous in his responses (albeit, a little condescending). Help make this a community where people enjoy talking, asking, sharing.

    You popping into every forum and expressing your annoyance that someone has a question or comment is going to drive people away.
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    10-13-2011 10:43 AM
  9. Rico's Avatar
    Haha, the OP's comment reminded me off my mom, who complained about the keyboard sound. She said it sounded like tapping on a hollow shell and hated it. I actually like the sound. But that's the type of feedback you get when you have different people using your product. And the OP's complaint is completely valid.

    I love the music controls popping down when I hit the volume controls. I listen to a lot of music and often need to pause a track. Having the controls pop up is super useful, even if the track in the controls is from hours previous. Not only does it eliminate at least four steps in getting to the music I was listening to, but it just makes sense to me as most of the times I've used the volume control on a smartphone it was to control music.

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    10-13-2011 01:53 PM
  10. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    If you reboot your phone. The music is stopped. If you press up or down on the volume rocker, nothing will display where the music info is normally at. Your welcome.
    10-13-2011 01:55 PM
  11. theman60099's Avatar
    If you reboot your phone. The music is stopped. If you press up or down on the volume rocker, nothing will display where the music info is normally at. Your welcome.
    that tip isn't going to help him. he's still going to gripe about having to do that.
    10-13-2011 02:21 PM
  12. jdd77's Avatar
    If you reboot your phone. The music is stopped. If you press up or down on the volume rocker, nothing will display where the music info is normally at. Your welcome.
    I figured that one out when I first started using the music player. When the music controls were still popping up a day later, l actually thought there was something wrong with the phone! lol. Now it's just second nature to reboot when I'm finished with the music player.
    10-14-2011 08:24 AM
  13. theman60099's Avatar
    this has got to be one of the funniest threads I've seen.
    10-14-2011 08:26 AM
  14. jdd77's Avatar
    Odd that the controls for the music play drop down anytime you press the volume button. I agree with others that stop is not needed, but the music controls should not show up every time I press the volume buttons. May erk me a bit also. Seems like something that does not need to be there. Do people need to have access to their music that fast? Like if I push pause on my song, then go and do other things, make calls, check flights on the net, ok done, now wheres my music, where, where, where? What I have to actually go back into the music app to start playing music again? Come on, why cant it just be there when I press the volume button? That's a bit silly to me. I agree with jdd. If I just pause and then lock my phone I would understand the music controls staying on the volume drop down. But if I pause then do other things, it should automatically "stop" and not be there anymore. Have to go back to the music player and pick up the song where it was paused.

    Whats really odd is that you were listening to a sample clip on a web site and when you left the site, the clip was still on your phone. How does that work?
    The clip wasn't from a web site per se, it was fom a generated list of ringtones in Marketplace search.. on the screen where you try or buy something. I don't know why, but Zune recognized it as a downloaded song or something because the entire " scary Halloween ringtones album" showed up in Zune's history, along with videos and synced albums. I guess, in a way, that could've been a cool glitch where I got them all for free... but unfortunately they were so freaking stupid!
    10-14-2011 08:44 AM
  15. jdd77's Avatar
    this has got to be one of the funniest threads I've seen.
    I guess that's what happens when a logical mind tries to adapt to an idea that is meant to please the majority of people's interests..
    10-14-2011 08:52 AM
  16. power5's Avatar
    Seems illogical to me as well. But I have not even used a windows phone yet and only basing off my iphone usage. Music player comes up if I double click my home button. If I then press pause and double click home again, it goes away. Then when I touch the volume rockers it does not pop back up. If MS had a shortcut of the same concept for the music player it could alleviate this issue. Its just something a new user needs to get used to. I will have to get used to using the top button to get the lock screen to illuminate instead of the home button on the bottom of the device near my thumb.
    10-14-2011 11:07 AM
  17. Curtieson's Avatar
    To the one comment that you want it to go away whenever you stop music, like the iOS...that goes back to MS's principal thought of this...for someone that uses their phone to play music (which it deems anyone that has listened to a song)...it wants to allow you to constantly have your music one click away just by clicking the volume rocker.. It is the In And Out, At a Glance phone.

    It would be unused space in most situations yet Microsoft designed it in such a way that every one of their phones has your music one physical button press away at all times for all those that use their phone for music.

    As the fanboi would say "It's genius, really."

    jd had a legitimate question to ask. Curtieson was at least courteous in his responses (albeit, a little condescending).
    Yes, I realize I do come across like that. The internet has given me a tough skin.
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    10-14-2011 04:06 PM
  18. jdd77's Avatar
    To say you need a stop button is just being stuck in an old PHYSICAL media mindset and somewhat shows we as a population don't have a grasp on what our items are actually doing...

    In the old world...pause meant the tape would stay out of the cassette, ready to play where as stop would remove the tap from its mechanics and allow you to remove the cassette. When we moved to CD, pause would stop the electrical eye from moving but the disc kept spinning ready to play, when stop would shut the thing down.

    Now, in the MP3 on Phone age, your phone stays on, so there is absolutely no point in a stop button because you aren't wasting battery with a spinning disc or need to remove the tape from the mechanics of the player... a "stop" button would perform ZERO benefit except to calm the mind of people stuck in the past...so that is why it is not needed and not present.
    I came to a conclusion... Its just a clumsy set up. If I want to pick up listening to an album from 3 days ago, Im gonna want to hear it from the beginning, not from the middle of track 5. But the only way to do that from the "convenient" feature of only pause, is to scrub back to the first track. It's just clumsy to me.
    10-23-2011 03:46 PM
  19. starblade876's Avatar
    I came to a conclusion... Its just a clumsy set up. If I want to pick up listening to an album from 3 days ago, Im gonna want to hear it from the beginning, not from the middle of track 5. But the only way to do that from the "convenient" feature of only pause, is to scrub back to the first track. It's just clumsy to me.
    If you want to go to the beginning of an album, you just go to the music hub and click the album in your history. That's what you would have to do if you had your way and the mini-player were removable when you stop the music.

    Anyway, that scenario seems weird to me. If I start listening to a new album and I have to leave off in the middle of track 5, then, at most, I would want to start track 5 over again a few days later, not go back to track 1. I'd want to finish the rest of the album before going back to the first song.

    Also, actually, I'd say the only clumsy thing about the music player is that it doesn't remember enough. Specifically, it doesn't remember the place you leave off on playlists and shuffle all. Unless I REALLY want to listen to a song again, I prefer going through the whole list before repeating songs. It's the only thing that annoys me about the player.
    10-24-2011 03:39 AM
  20. jdd77's Avatar
    If you want to go to the beginning of an album, you just go to the music hub and click the album in your history. That's what you would have to do if you had your way and the mini-player were removable when you stop the music.

    Anyway, that scenario seems weird to me. If I start listening to a new album and I have to leave off in the middle of track 5, then, at most, I would want to start track 5 over again a few days later, not go back to track 1. I'd want to finish the rest of the album before going back to the first song.

    Also, actually, I'd say the only clumsy thing about the music player is that it doesn't remember enough. Specifically, it doesn't remember the place you leave off on playlists and shuffle all. Unless I REALLY want to listen to a song again, I prefer going through the whole list before repeating songs. It's the only thing that annoys me about the player.
    I just don't understand why its not an option. Different people do things different ways. And I still power the phone off/on when I'm done with the player so I don't have to see the song and artist drop down whenever I use the volume keys. Ah..if I was a phone developer...
    Last edited by jdd77; 10-24-2011 at 08:12 AM.
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    10-24-2011 08:07 AM
  21. 11B1P's Avatar
    I just don't understand why its not an option. Different people do things different ways. And I still power the phone off/on when I'm done with the player so I don't have to see the song and artist drop down whenever I use the volume keys. Ah..if I was a phone developer...
    jdd,

    Half of these people don't understand your complaint. I do and I'm with you. I think it may be a bit worse for me, as I don't use my phone to listen to music, that's what my Zune HD is for. So when if I do happen to listen to a song through the Marketplace, I hate seeing the music controls drop down after I'm done.

    That's what the complaint is about. Having the controls drop down. Not whether we're going to listen to the song from the beginning or right where I left off. I appreciate that feature, but there needs to be a way to turn it off.
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    10-24-2011 08:39 AM
  22. jdd77's Avatar
    jdd,

    Half of these people don't understand your complaint. I do and I'm with you. I think it may be a bit worse for me, as I don't use my phone to listen to music, that's what my Zune HD is for. So when if I do happen to listen to a song through the Marketplace, I hate seeing the music controls drop down after I'm done.

    That's what the complaint is about. Having the controls drop down. Not whether we're going to listen to the song from the beginning or right where I left off. I appreciate that feature, but there needs to be a way to turn it off.
    My point exactly... You summed up what I've been trying to say.
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    10-24-2011 08:54 AM
  23. Curtieson's Avatar
    I came to a conclusion... Its just a clumsy set up. If I want to pick up listening to an album from 3 days ago, Im gonna want to hear it from the beginning, not from the middle of track 5. But the only way to do that from the "convenient" feature of only pause, is to scrub back to the first track. It's just clumsy to me.
    That is the beauty of how it is set up, you want to start the album over, you can do that whether or not it remember where you were...however if you wanted to start with track 5 again (which I agree, would be the case for most people) you can do that with one physical button.

    jdd,

    Half of these people don't understand your complaint. I do and I'm with you. I think it may be a bit worse for me, as I don't use my phone to listen to music, that's what my Zune HD is for. So when if I do happen to listen to a song through the Marketplace, I hate seeing the music controls drop down after I'm done.

    That's what the complaint is about. Having the controls drop down. Not whether we're going to listen to the song from the beginning or right where I left off. I appreciate that feature, but there needs to be a way to turn it off.
    1) Again, using the justification that you have a completely separate device does not work. MS is not going to ever design something for the 1 of 100000 people that would willingly carry around one device (Zune) that does a fraction of what their other new device does. That is like saying you don't think it would be odd to carry an iPod Touch and an iPhone...

    2) I agree, it wouldn't hurt anything if there was an option to turn this off because I would just ignore it. HOWEVER, to install this option would have taken another 100 hrs of testing and programming...and it is just one of thousands of features that 1 person in a corner somewhere might find handy once in a lifetime. I personally am extremely glad they left it off and gave me mango 4 days earlier and didn't wait for this one feature...

    Has anyone posted the idea/searched for the idea on the MS feedback site? What kind of traction has it earned there?
    10-24-2011 09:25 AM
  24. Boodev's Avatar
    You know...I'm pretty sure I can make an App that stops the music and removes it from the Volume Bar. That would stop you needing to reboot your phone all the time.

    I'll submit it tonight for you, although it will take a few days to get certification (This is assuming Microsoft don't reject it for messing with the Active Song...*sigh*)

    You'll just need to pin it to your home screen and as soon as you open the app, your issue will vanish :)
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    10-24-2011 10:02 AM
  25. Boodev's Avatar
    The app has been submitted to the marketplace for approval. I'll make another post here if/when it gets approved!

    It works a charm, totally removes everything from the Volume Bar and the Lock Screen and all you have to do is open the app. No more rebooting and no more accidentally pressing play. Magic.

    (On a side note, if Microsoft don't approve it, I'll release the Source Code and XAP for everyone to compile or side load)
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    10-24-2011 10:39 AM
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