10-15-2011 04:38 AM
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  1. selfcreation's Avatar
    Screen needs a higher resolution. I can see the pixels. However the contrast of the SAMOLED screen is just amazing. Breathtaking really.
    you can see the PIXEL?? seriously?? are my eyes that bad that i never see pixels??? on my TV ok , but you can see does 0,01milimiter pixels on ur cell??

    Jesus!.
    10-11-2011 12:30 PM
  2. cckgz4's Avatar
    Excellent review, but you will find that the term "coming soon" gets tossed around quite often when the subject of wp7 is being discussed. I've had wp7 since November 2010 and very little has changed, still missing much needed apps. The bad thing about having a wp7 is that anytime you criticize it, the fanboys come out and try to make it seem like your view is wrong.

    Anyway, good review and I'm glad you like it.
    Trolls and bitter members as well
    10-11-2011 12:32 PM
  3. archer75's Avatar
    you can see the PIXEL?? seriously?? are my eyes that bad that i never see pixels??? on my TV ok , but you can see does 0,001milimiter pixels?? Jesus!.
    Yes, easily. Same on my 3rd gen ipod touch and my 1st gen ipad. I couldn't on my motorola atrix but it had a higher resolution. And I can't see them on an iphone 4. But I certainly can on the focus. Not a huge deal as the contrast is so damn good but a higher resolution would make it the best mobile screen in the world.
    10-11-2011 12:32 PM
  4. selfcreation's Avatar
    Yes, easily. Same on my 3rd gen ipod touch and my 1st gen ipad. I couldn't on my motorola atrix but it had a higher resolution. And I can't see them on an iphone 4. But I certainly can on the focus. Not a huge deal as the contrast is so damn good but a higher resolution would make it the best mobile screen in the world.
    lol? think its time for me to take a trip to the Optometrists..

    but yeah the S-amoled is ammazing :) its the reason i return the HD7 and HTC surround , i
    NEEDED that Amoled. lol
    10-11-2011 12:48 PM
  5. theman60099's Avatar
    I just got an HTC HD7 on T-Mo. I'm coming from a Palm Pre.I don't choose a phone just because it's popular. I have this thing about giving the under-dog a chance. There are many things I like about this OS, and many things I don't. In spite of webOS being virtually unknown it has many apps that this phone lacks. Further, the audio quality that comes over while playing music is terrible. I can hear that damn GSM sound ALL THE TIME. Seriously considering switching to an Android for now. I just can't wait a year or two while developers try to see what trent WP7 is having before deciding weather to port their apps. ... and I really can't live with that GSM noise.

    Welcome to the community though. Regardless of what I decide, I'll continue to root for WP7.
    terrible sound quality? I don't have that on my arrive,check ur headphones or maybe even check ur hearing.it might also even be a hardware problem on ur device that needs to be diagnosed.
    10-11-2011 01:10 PM
  6. Big Supes's Avatar
    Seems like quite a fair and objective review. Welcome aboard. :)
    10-11-2011 01:35 PM
  7. Jalik's Avatar
    @archer75: If costs would be no issue and you could pick any phone OS you want, right now, would you pick WP7 mango again? As is it right now, not how it's supposed to be in 6 month or so.
    10-11-2011 02:46 PM
  8. archer75's Avatar
    @archer75: If costs would be no issue and you could pick any phone OS you want, right now, would you pick WP7 mango again? As is it right now, not how it's supposed to be in 6 month or so.
    Honestly, i'd like to see what ios5 offers tomorrow and spend another couple of weeks with mango to be sure.

    I prefer the more cohesive, integrated experience with wp7 and ios. Android does have more features going for it but can feel like a mess. So for me it comes down to wp7 vs ios and i'll have a better idea tomorrow.
    wp7 is certainly a solid phone and experience.
    10-11-2011 03:09 PM
  9. theman60099's Avatar
    it's obvious that iOS5 has absolutely NOTHING on mango.
    10-11-2011 04:36 PM
  10. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    1 million pre-orders. :)
    it's obvious that iOS5 has absolutely NOTHING on mango.
    10-11-2011 04:42 PM
  11. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I have a Palm Pre, I'll ship you my Pre and 50 bucks if you want to trade. The Pre's music player is aweful. You must have access to a different app store on your pre. In the grand scheme of things, I'll have to rate iOS 1, WP7 2, Android 3, BB OS 4, and Web OS slightly above a good feature phone.
    I just got an HTC HD7 on T-Mo. I'm coming from a Palm Pre.I don't choose a phone just because it's popular. I have this thing about giving the under-dog a chance. There are many things I like about this OS, and many things I don't. In spite of webOS being virtually unknown it has many apps that this phone lacks. Further, the audio quality that comes over while playing music is terrible. I can hear that damn GSM sound ALL THE TIME. Seriously considering switching to an Android for now. I just can't wait a year or two while developers try to see what trent WP7 is having before deciding weather to port their apps. ... and I really can't live with that GSM noise.

    Welcome to the community though. Regardless of what I decide, I'll continue to root for WP7.
    10-11-2011 04:47 PM
  12. theman60099's Avatar
    1 million pre-orders. :)
    1 million mindless sheep who don't know any better
    I have a Palm Pre, I'll ship you my Pre and 50 bucks if you want to trade. The Pre's music player is aweful. You must have access to a different app store on your pre. In the grand scheme of things, I'll have to rate iOS 1, WP7 2, Android 3, BB OS 4, and Web OS slightly above a good feature phone.
    why en cojos rate iOS above wp7? it's obvious that iOS5 isn't bringing anything new to the table over wp7 mango, are u an undercover iSheep intentionally trying to find things in wp7 inferior to iOS?
    10-11-2011 05:02 PM
  13. scottcraft's Avatar
    I think that the only thing that would make iOS rank higher than WP7 are the apps. Pretty much everything I need is available on WP7 but for some it might not be. I absolutely love the speed and fluidity of my trophy and it does everything I need.

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    10-11-2011 05:31 PM
  14. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Because I think it's more complete. Don't make it better or worse. That's up to the user. WP7 size and Zune makes WP7 the better phone for me.
    1 million mindless sheep who don't know any better


    why en cojos rate iOS above wp7? it's obvious that iOS5 isn't bringing anything new to the table over wp7 mango, are u an undercover iSheep intentionally trying to find things in wp7 inferior to iOS?
    Like someone said, don't get mad because your MS stock isn't going up.
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    10-11-2011 05:48 PM
  15. theman60099's Avatar
    Because I think it's more complete. Don't make it better or worse. That's up to the user. WP7 size and Zune makes WP7 the better phone for me.

    Like someone said, don't get mad because your MS stock isn't going up.
    more complete? s Claro, I find that hard to believe
    10-11-2011 06:00 PM
  16. cckgz4's Avatar
    it's obvious that iOS5 has absolutely NOTHING on mango.
    According to............?
    10-11-2011 11:43 PM
  17. colorblind26's Avatar
    The live tile comment applies to the tiles that I use. Not all the tiles out there. I actually prefer the microsoft weather app but the live tile doesn't update. Accuweather wasn't updating for me either. Twitter and facebook live tiles weren't updating at all for me. Flixster isn't updating on mine either.

    My issue with the people tile is it combines news from facebook and twitter in to one flow. I have so much going on with both that having it all together makes it somewhat more challenging to sort through.

    I'll have to look into groups. I don't much care about their social updates but having them grouped together would be beneficial.
    you can filter your feeds by tapping "What's new" on People Hub
    10-12-2011 12:26 AM
  18. Pronk's Avatar
    1 million mindless sheep who don't know any better


    why en cojos rate iOS above wp7? it's obvious that iOS5 isn't bringing anything new to the table over wp7 mango, are u an undercover iSheep intentionally trying to find things in wp7 inferior to iOS?
    Rubbish. You think you get millions of users and that level of customer loyalty by producing mediocre products? iOS is a great operating system, and Apple make great hardware. Being able to accept that doesn't automatically make you an Apple fan nor does it make what you like inherently any worse, but it does show you have the ability to look at things objectively and realistically. Unlike, say, thinking anyone not praising WP7 is an Apple plant.

    iOS also has plenty of features that WP7 doesn't have, and vice versa WP7 has features in Mango that iOS doesn't. Deciding which suits you is a matter of taste and a matter of requirements. WP7 will suit some people better than iOS and vice versa.

    Grow up and stop being so absurdly precious about WP7. Microsoft don't think it's perfect - that's why they have a suggestions site. If the manufacturers can be honest and admit that the system still has plenty of scope to grow and improve, don't you think it's about time you did too?
    10-12-2011 03:18 AM
  19. theman60099's Avatar
    Rubbish. You think you get millions of users and that level of customer loyalty by producing mediocre products? iOS is a great operating system, and Apple make great hardware. Being able to accept that doesn't automatically make you an Apple fan nor does it make what you like inherently any worse, but it does show you have the ability to look at things objectively and realistically. Unlike, say, thinking anyone not praising WP7 is an Apple plant.

    iOS also has plenty of features that WP7 doesn't have, and vice versa WP7 has features in Mango that iOS doesn't. Deciding which suits you is a matter of taste and a matter of requirements. WP7 will suit some people better than iOS and vice versa.

    Grow up and stop being so absurdly precious about WP7. Microsoft don't think it's perfect - that's why they have a suggestions site. If the manufacturers can be honest and admit that the system still has plenty of scope to grow and improve, don't you think it's about time you did too?
    I can maybe think of 3 things that iOS has that wp7 doesn't and that's it. that being said mango offers more of what iOS does not have. I've already said what I think needs to be added to wp7 in order for me to be 100% satisfied with it.
    10-12-2011 06:26 AM
  20. archer75's Avatar
    I can maybe think of 3 things that iOS has that wp7 doesn't and that's it. that being said mango offers more of what iOS does not have. I've already said what I think needs to be added to wp7 in order for me to be 100% satisfied with it.
    So you're not 100% satisfied with it now? ;)

    Look, your shortsighted fanboyish comments aren't earning you any points. What you need to realize is that people have different wants and needs than you and ios may suite them better. Or they may just like it better for their own reasons. Nothing wrong with that. It's good that we do have so much choice and everyone can get what suits them best. That doesn't make people who disagree with you "mindless sheep".
    10-12-2011 11:00 AM
  21. Useraid's Avatar
    It isn't the resolution that is making you see those 'pixels' it is the rougher rendering due to the pentile matrix of AMOLED which is an issue with that gen, fixed with amoled plus.
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    10-13-2011 08:21 PM
  22. theman60099's Avatar
    So you're not 100% satisfied with it now? ;)

    Look, your shortsighted fanboyish comments aren't earning you any points. What you need to realize is that people have different wants and needs than you and ios may suite them better. Or they may just like it better for their own reasons. Nothing wrong with that. It's good that we do have so much choice and everyone can get what suits them best. That doesn't make people who disagree with you "mindless sheep".
    there seems to be alot of affinity and allegiance towards apple and google on this site lately and I'm not liking it at all. even WMPU is starting to do something about it.
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    10-13-2011 09:38 PM
  23. Pronk's Avatar
    there seems to be alot of affinity and allegiance towards apple and google on this site lately and I'm not liking it at all. even WMPU is starting to do something about it.
    No, it's objectivity. I'm not tied to any particular manufacturer or OS provider so I appreciate each on their merits. And I certainly don't use one provider just because I have something else from them. I use what suits me best - so I have a Mac, I have a WP7 phone, I have an iPad and I use Google search and Google services.

    This is a WP7 site, so you're going to see more of "well Apple does this and Android does that" than you would on another site because WP7 is the main topic and so will be the centre of comparison. But on another forum I'm on I've been pushing WP7 over Android a lot because I think it's superior. So it's all a matter of perspective too - you don't see all the other stuff, so you might assume that all I do is moan about WP7. I don't - but if I'm on a WP7 site, what do you expect other than discussions? Post after post of "hey, isn't this great?" and nothing else? That's not a forum - that's a shrine.

    Fanboyism, and unswerving loyalty to one corporation's products over another, is just ridiculous. It benefits no-one, it makes people get defensive, and it means you can't appreciate things on face value. It also means that shortcomings are overlooked, which ultimately leads to less feedback and nothing being done about them. So you may not like people suggesting other products and services are better, but it's actually healthy - best for the customer, and best for business as it spurs them on to go one better again. Give it a try sometime, you might like it ;)
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    10-14-2011 02:37 AM
  24. theman60099's Avatar
    No, it's objectivity. I'm not tied to any particular manufacturer or OS provider so I appreciate each on their merits. And I certainly don't use one provider just because I have something else from them. I use what suits me best - so I have a Mac, I have a WP7 phone, I have an iPad and I use Google search and Google services.

    This is a WP7 site, so you're going to see more of "well Apple does this and Android does that" than you would on another site because WP7 is the main topic and so will be the centre of comparison. But on another forum I'm on I've been pushing WP7 over Android a lot because I think it's superior. So it's all a matter of perspective too - you don't see all the other stuff, so you might assume that all I do is moan about WP7. I don't - but if I'm on a WP7 site, what do you expect other than discussions? Post after post of "hey, isn't this great?" and nothing else? That's not a forum - that's a shrine.

    Fanboyism, and unswerving loyalty to one corporation's products over another, is just ridiculous. It benefits no-one, it makes people get defensive, and it means you can't appreciate things on face value. It also means that shortcomings are overlooked, which ultimately leads to less feedback and nothing being done about them. So you may not like people suggesting other products and services are better, but it's actually healthy - best for the customer, and best for business as it spurs them on to go one better again. Give it a try sometime, you might like it ;)
    how is telling someone to use SkyDrive,hotmail,and Bing not healthy? its supporting the ecosystem, and it only makes sense to do so, its called matching. im sure uve heard of that right? using Google,Gmail,and iCloud with wp7 is like wearing 2 different colors/sizes of socks, it just doesn't look nor feel right. it just seems like it's the best to do, sorry u can't seem to understand that.
    10-14-2011 05:42 AM
  25. Pronk's Avatar
    But if those services aren't as good a fit for someone as a service from another supplier, what's the point in forcing yourself to use them just because they're from one supplier? Using them for the sake of it certainly isn't healthy. Besides, your issue was with people showing affinity to other platforms - but if they work for them and work well, why not? Do you really not want to even know about alternatives, let alone hear about good (or even better) ones??

    I use dropbox because it has better support than Skydrive across all the systems I use - iMac, iPad, WP7. I use Google for search on my desktop because it works better for my day to day work, but I use Bing on my phone for convenience (but I'd like the choice). I use Google maps via Bingle Maps on my WP7 phone even though Bing maps is built in just because I prefer it. I use Gmail because it's a better system that Hotmail and again is supported better across *all* the systems I use. But then I use a WP7 phone rather than an iPhone or an Android one, I use Local Scout because it's a great service, I use Chrome on my iMac rather than Safari because it's better and so on.

    I pick what works best for me for my ecosystem. That may sometimes be more than one thing from one supplier, sometimes not. But I certainly don't feel I owe any one supplier my loyalty, and these days everything is so compatible that sticking to one purely for the sake of it is pointless. I paid for my phone/tablet/computer - that's where what I owe to the supplier ends. If they want me to keep using their stuff, then they need to have the best product or service to entice me to do so because it benefits me, not them. Because there's nothing to stop WP7 users from using Apple or Google stuff too, just like iPhone users can use PCs and Android users can use either, or Chrome OS users can use whatever they want to.

    You should try broadening your horizons, guy. There's more than one company out there, and a lot of people make a lot of good stuff. If you want to just stick to one, that's fine - I have no problem with that. Just don't imply people who do try things from elsewhere are somehow wrong to do so, and certainly don't write off any time they might show a preference for something else as them being Apple plants or similar.
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    10-14-2011 06:46 AM
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