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  1. DanglingPointer's Avatar
    How to close the App in WP7.5 in multitask/app-switching view?
    If there is no option: does the app, once launched, gets terminated ever?
    10-12-2011 01:48 AM
  2. starblade876's Avatar
    When you go away from an app, it stops running. The apps in the app switcher are just how they looked like when you "closed" them to do whatever else, so that you can start them up where you left off, like a bookmark in a book.
    10-12-2011 02:07 AM
  3. DanglingPointer's Avatar
    Super cool! But is there a way to de-queue the app from app-switcher?
    10-12-2011 02:12 AM
  4. Dagolara's Avatar
    Select the app then back arrow.
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    10-12-2011 02:26 AM
  5. DanglingPointer's Avatar
    Select the app then back arrow.
    In the app-switcher view or the app list view? While in the app switcher if I press and hold the app it brings the app in front and running state!
    10-12-2011 03:20 AM
  6. Dagolara's Avatar
    In the app-switcher view or the app list view? While in the app switcher if I press and hold the app it brings the app in front and running state!
    Yes then back arrow and it will close and be out of the app view. You can't close while in the switcher.
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    10-12-2011 03:56 AM
  7. DanglingPointer's Avatar
    Yes then back arrow and it will close and be out of the app view. You can't close while in the switcher.
    Thanks it helped. Would be great if they give the option to close the app within app-switcher via gesture like swiping the "card" out of the deck (^upward) 8-)
    10-12-2011 04:04 AM
  8. theman60099's Avatar
    don't know why everyone is hung up on closing apps. no RAM or resources are being hogged.
    10-12-2011 05:49 AM
  9. species5618's Avatar
    don't know why everyone is hung up on closing apps. no RAM or resources are being hogged.
    And you will never know. :)
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    10-12-2011 06:50 AM
  10. jimski's Avatar
    don't know why everyone is hung up on closing apps. no RAM or resources are being hogged.
    Well something other than magic dust makes fast app restore possible. And MS only allows X number of apps to remain open for a reason.

    Call it a bad habit, but I would like the ability to close without reopening/back.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    10-12-2011 08:06 AM
  11. theman60099's Avatar
    Well something other than magic dust makes fast app restore possible. And MS only allows X number of apps to remain open for a reason.

    Call it a bad habit, but I would like the ability to close without reopening/back.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    I don't think I have ever even used 50-100MB of RAM yet and we have 468 at device boot so that's plenty, want them closed just wait for them to get pushed out. duhh!
    10-12-2011 08:23 AM
  12. Curtieson's Avatar
    don't know why everyone is hung up on closing apps. no RAM or resources are being hogged.
    And you will never know. :)
    I really think it is just because people don't understand it...you get a new fancy phone or move from Android and on that OS people are constantly talking about the Fast App Killer because if you leave your apps open it drains battery...so you just get in a mind set you have to manage your open apps even though the OS takes care of it all for you.

    Call it a bad habit, but I would like the ability to close without reopening/back.
    That is a good way to put it. It is a bad habit.

    I'd equate it to someone that every time they stop watching Netflix presses the rewind button and takes the movie back to the beginning like they did with VHS, :lol:
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    10-12-2011 09:19 AM
  13. theman60099's Avatar
    I really think it is just because people don't understand it...you get a new fancy phone or move from Android and on that OS people are constantly talking about the Fast App Killer because if you leave your apps open it drains battery...so you just get in a mind set you have to manage your open apps even though the OS takes care of it all for you.



    That is a good way to put it. It is a bad habit.

    I'd equate it to someone that every time they stop watching Netflix presses the rewind button and takes the movie back to the beginning like they did with VHS, :lol:
    thats a good analogy at the end right there with the rewinding.
    10-12-2011 01:45 PM
  14. species5618's Avatar
    I really think it is just because people don't understand it...you get a new fancy phone or move from Android and on that OS people are constantly talking about the Fast App Killer because if you leave your apps open it drains battery...so you just get in a mind set you have to manage your open apps even though the OS takes care of it all for you.

    That is a good way to put it. It is a bad habit.

    I'd equate it to someone that every time they stop watching Netflix presses the rewind button and takes the movie back to the beginning like they did with VHS, :lol:
    To be honest, we really don't know whether the OS takes care of it or not. Developers claim a lot of things, few of them are ever true. BTW, do you know which other OS says you never need to close apps and the OS would take care of it all? That's right, Android.

    A more practical reason is that there's limit number of apps in the switcher and I want certain apps to be there instead of being pushed off the queue. This is especially true since wp7 can't seem to figure out an app is already opened. For example, while drafting a message, I click home button to do something else. Open messaging again, the draft is gone. Except it's not really gone, if I use task switcher to switch back to the original messaging window, the draft is still there. wp7 is simply too stupid to figure out the app is already opened. And of course, after opening 5 apps, my carefully crafted draft is gone for ever (or maybe it's still stored somewhere on disk, just not accessible). Nice multitasking.
    Last edited by species5618; 10-12-2011 at 03:10 PM.
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    10-12-2011 01:50 PM
  15. jfa1's Avatar
    Well something other than magic dust makes fast app restore possible. And MS only allows X number of apps to remain open for a reason.

    Call it a bad habit, but I would like the ability to close without reopening/back.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express
    thats the way ms set for closing is back button. Otherwise it will close if you put over 5 programs in the background.
    10-12-2011 01:57 PM
  16. astroXP's Avatar
    And you will never know. :)
    LOL :lol:
    10-12-2011 03:25 PM
  17. Judge_Daniel's Avatar
    To be honest, we really don't know whether the OS takes care of it or not. Developers claim a lot of things, few of them are ever true. BTW, do you know which other OS says you never need to close apps and the OS would take care of it all? That's right, Android.

    A more practical reason is that there's limit number of apps in the switcher and I want certain apps to be there instead of being pushed off the queue. This is especially true since wp7 can't seem to figure out an app is already opened. For example, while drafting a message, I click home button to do something else. Open messaging again, the draft is gone. Except it's not really gone, if I use task switcher to switch back to the original messaging window, the draft is still there. wp7 is simply too stupid to figure out the app is already opened. And of course, after opening 5 apps, my carefully crafted draft is gone for ever (or maybe it's still stored somewhere on disk, just not accessible). Nice multitasking.
    This is a very good example of the weakness in Microsoft's use of pseudo-multitasking. While I'm in love with the way Microsoft chose to handle multitasking, I'm not going to say it is perfect. It may save resources to freeze apps instead of just minimizing them, but the OS needs to be "smarter" in order to understand some sort of "priority" apps (such as apps with used text-fields) or it needs to have a way for us to swap apps in our history order quickly, so that they will not be dropped without having to relaunch them.
    10-12-2011 03:52 PM
  18. theman60099's Avatar
    To be honest, we really don't know whether the OS takes care of it or not. Developers claim a lot of things, few of them are ever true. BTW, do you know which other OS says you never need to close apps and the OS would take care of it all? That's right, Android.

    A more practical reason is that there's limit number of apps in the switcher and I want certain apps to be there instead of being pushed off the queue. This is especially true since wp7 can't seem to figure out an app is already opened. For example, while drafting a message, I click home button to do something else. Open messaging again, the draft is gone. Except it's not really gone, if I use task switcher to switch back to the original messaging window, the draft is still there. wp7 is simply too stupid to figure out the app is already opened. And of course, after opening 5 apps, my carefully crafted draft is gone for ever (or maybe it's still stored somewhere on disk, just not accessible). Nice multitasking.
    or maybe u are simply too stupid to go back to the same instance of messaging to finish typing the message. in wp7 apps are limited also to how much RAM and resources can be taken up while running in the background, this isn't the case in open source Android, so this is the best multitasking around. if u don't want a previous app to fall out of the queue how hard is it to revisit it before u open another app?
    10-12-2011 04:04 PM
  19. species5618's Avatar
    or maybe u are simply too stupid to go back to the same instance of messaging to finish typing the message. in wp7 apps are limited also to how much RAM and resources can be taken up while running in the background, this isn't the case in open source Android, so this is the best multitasking around. if u don't want a previous app to fall out of the queue how hard is it to revisit it before u open another app?
    Best multitasking around? ROFL. iOS also limits how much RAM and resources can be taken up while running in the background and it supports way more than 5 concurrent running apps, plus the ability to close apps. What makes wp7 better in this regard?

    If Microsoft's attitude is to blame users for its own shortcomings, then I weep for the future of wp7. Thankfully, I doubt Microsoft agrees with you and I am sure developers are working hard to improve "the best multitasking around" to catch up with competitions just like the first step they took in Mango.
    Last edited by species5618; 10-12-2011 at 04:47 PM.
    10-12-2011 04:41 PM
  20. Exomondo's Avatar
    Well something other than magic dust makes fast app restore possible. And MS only allows X number of apps to remain open for a reason.
    They just persist the app state, the same as it works with the old console emulators.
    10-12-2011 04:49 PM
  21. theman60099's Avatar
    Best multitasking around? ROFL. iOS also limits how much RAM and resources can be taken up while running in the background and it supports way more than 5 concurrent running apps, plus the ability to close apps. What makes wp7 better in this regard?

    If Microsoft's attitude is to blame users for its own shortcomings, then I weep for the future of wp7. Thankfully, I doubt Microsoft agrees with you and I am sure developers are working hard to improve "the best multitasking around" to catch up with competitions just like the first step they took in Mango.
    iOS also doesn't have the same amount of other features that mango does and only offers 5GB of cloud storage with the option to buy more. on wp7 SkyDrive is UNLIMITED with documents and pictures but 25GB for everything else. I think the iOS task launcher supports only 4 or 5 apps as well, not to mention there's less ram on iOS 256MB than there is on wp7. no need to complain or have every app u own running. how dumb would that be eh?
    10-12-2011 04:59 PM
  22. species5618's Avatar
    iOS also doesn't have the same amount of other features that mango does and only offers 5GB of cloud storage with the option to buy more. on wp7 SkyDrive is UNLIMITED with documents and pictures but 25GB for everything else. I think the iOS task launcher supports only 4 or 5 apps as well, not to mention there's less ram on iOS 256MB than there is on wp7. no need to complain or have every app u own running. how dumb would that be eh?
    So wp7 have the best multitasking around because skydrive is unlimited? Great argument. Come to think of it, my N95 have even better multitasking since its stereo speakers are so much louder. :D
    10-12-2011 05:20 PM
  23. sirtwist's Avatar
    To be honest, we really don't know whether the OS takes care of it or not. Developers claim a lot of things, few of them are ever true. BTW, do you know which other OS says you never need to close apps and the OS would take care of it all? That's right, Android.

    A more practical reason is that there's limit number of apps in the switcher and I want certain apps to be there instead of being pushed off the queue. This is especially true since wp7 can't seem to figure out an app is already opened. For example, while drafting a message, I click home button to do something else. Open messaging again, the draft is gone. Except it's not really gone, if I use task switcher to switch back to the original messaging window, the draft is still there. wp7 is simply too stupid to figure out the app is already opened. And of course, after opening 5 apps, my carefully crafted draft is gone for ever (or maybe it's still stored somewhere on disk, just not accessible). Nice multitasking.
    Your stated scenario is very misleading, since it's your own fault. Tapping a tile on the start screen or an app from the app list ALWAYS starts a new instance of the app, killing any previous instances. ALWAYS.

    It was a conscious design decision on Microsoft's part so that phone users always know that if they want to start an app over at the beginning, they can simply hit the Start button and then start the app again.

    If you want to go back to your messaging screen where you have already been typing a message, you have to tap and hold the back button and select it.

    It may not be what you want, but it's consistent. It works that way for every single app.

    As a developer, I can assure you that what Microsoft says regarding Fast App Switching is absolutely true. I can see it happen with my apps when I'm testing them on my phone ... I can watch my app go into the background and wake back up when you go into the app switching screen and tap it. I can see my app taken out of the back stack and completely closed when I open a bunch of other apps.

    I use Exchange services, watch video podcasts, browse, etc. on my Samsung Focus on a daily basis ... i.e. I'm a heavy user. And I make it from 8am to midnight EVERY SINGLE DAY without running out of battery. There's absolutely no reason to worry about app memory/processor management. Windows Phone does it right. Use your phone, don't worry about it.
    10-12-2011 06:02 PM
  24. theman60099's Avatar
    So wp7 have the best multitasking around because skydrive is unlimited? Great argument. Come to think of it, my N95 have even better multitasking since its stereo speakers are so much louder. :D
    what im saying is that iOS devices have less RAM than wp7 devices.
    Your stated scenario is very misleading, since it's your own fault. Tapping a tile on the start screen or an app from the app list ALWAYS starts a new instance of the app, killing any previous instances. ALWAYS.

    It was a conscious design decision on Microsoft's part so that phone users always know that if they want to start an app over at the beginning, they can simply hit the Start button and then start the app again.

    If you want to go back to your messaging screen where you have already been typing a message, you have to tap and hold the back button and select it.

    It may not be what you want, but it's consistent. It works that way for every single app.

    As a developer, I can assure you that what Microsoft says regarding Fast App Switching is absolutely true. I can see it happen with my apps when I'm testing them on my phone ... I can watch my app go into the background and wake back up when you go into the app switching screen and tap it. I can see my app taken out of the back stack and completely closed when I open a bunch of other apps.

    I use Exchange services, watch video podcasts, browse, etc. on my Samsung Focus on a daily basis ... i.e. I'm a heavy user. And I make it from 8am to midnight EVERY SINGLE DAY without running out of battery. There's absolutely no reason to worry about app memory/processor management. Windows Phone does it right. Use your phone, don't worry about it.
    thanks for proving that nice guy wrong.
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 10-13-2011 at 06:07 AM. Reason: Insulting other members
    10-12-2011 06:14 PM
  25. archer75's Avatar
    what im saying is that iOS devices have less RAM than wp7 devices.
    Depends on the device. There are ios devices with more ram(ipad2, iphone 4s). Not sure if there are any with less. Maybe the very first iphones/ipod touches from years ago. I'd bet the touches have less. The iphone4 which came out before WP7 has the same 512mb.
    Last edited by archer75; 10-12-2011 at 06:54 PM.
    10-12-2011 06:26 PM
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