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  1. canesfan625's Avatar
    Those links are from from Feburary.... 2010.

    If you still have high hopes for Flash on WP7 then I have some bad news...
    It's also not a priority for Microsoft.

    "(One thing that isn’t on the priority list: Adobe Flash. Windows Phone unit President Andy Lees told All Things D that Microsoft is “not allergic to Flash,” but it won’t be in the next couple of updates due to battery and other concerns.)"
    Last edited by Canesfan625; 10-29-2011 at 09:49 PM.
    10-29-2011 09:24 PM
  2. desmonium's Avatar
    Here we go!

    Blackberry's profile management is the best! With a customizable LED flashing whatever color for whatever event!

    The majority part of the BB OS is cray though, sad to say but true. Not going back anytime soon.
    10-29-2011 10:33 PM
  3. jdevenberg's Avatar
    I personally hate audio reminders of missed calls/messages. Often times I will "miss" a call or not read a message because I am busy at that moment and don't want to deal with my phone. So the constant going off until I pull it out and look at it is annoying to me.

    As far as Flash, I had it on Android and the only thing that ever seemed to work smoothly/properly were ads. Anything I ever really wanted to use didn't work at all (Facebook games) or was choppy/jittery (many online videos). Very rarely was there something that I wanted to see AND worked properly.

    One thing I miss is Internet Sharing and that is T-Mobile's fault for not including it, because Microsoft did build it in.

    The only feature that isn't available that really baffles me and I really, really want is the ability to change the snooze interval of my alarms! I want 5 minutes, not 9.
    10-29-2011 10:40 PM
  4. 3migo's Avatar
    Seriously? You signed up for the forums just to post THAT? We've known Flash wasn't coming since day one. Get over it. And I'm glad there's no repeating audio alert. The last thing I want is to be next to some selfish a-hole who leaves his phone beeping for several minutes so it can annoy everyone around it.

    *beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep*

    "HEY BOB, GET YOUR DAMN PHONE!"

    Yeah, I'd toss your phone in the garbage before I be your personal audio alert.
    You said it. A constant audio alert like that would be annoying as ****.

    The only thing that I was disappointed with about Mango was that it still only has one universal volume. If I have the ringer set all the way up for my alarm in the mornings, then go to listen to music later in the day and forget about the current setting, I'm gonna burst an eardrum.
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    10-29-2011 10:44 PM
  5. HeyCori's Avatar
    It's also not a priority for Microsoft.

    "(One thing that isn’t on the priority list: Adobe Flash. Windows Phone unit President Andy Lees told All Things D that Microsoft is “not allergic to Flash,” but it won’t be in the next couple of updates due to battery and other concerns.)"
    Translation: They know flash sucks and won't release any versions of flash until it makes mobile web browsing BETTER. Microsoft also doesn't support flash on the tablet version of Windows 8.

    Adobe is scrambling to bring flash to a new generation of gadgets and they're going to keep hitting road blocks until companies actually want to put flash on their devices instead of merely putting up with flash.
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    10-29-2011 10:59 PM
  6. desmonium's Avatar
    Translation: They know flash sucks and won't release any versions of flash until it makes mobile web browsing BETTER. Microsoft also doesn't support flash on the tablet version of Windows 8.

    Adobe is scrambling to bring flash to a new generation of gadgets and they're going to keep hitting road blocks until companies actually want to put flash on their devices instead of merely putting up with flash.
    Flash crashed constantly on my laptop anyway. I think Adobe should get a more robust software.
    10-29-2011 11:45 PM
  7. jdd77's Avatar
    I don't use Facebook,twitter, etc.. I'm not 16 and don't have to keep up with what other adults are doing every second of their lives. That other stuff is simply superfluous aesthetics. I want function. Not more tiles that I don't use. I have an ipod and a camera, I bought a phone, not a music placer or camera. The phone part is like 3rd on the list of priorities for the developers.

    Flash player is vital. It is required for so many things. Try a speed test on your phone, nearly all of the websites need flash. Try to stream a video. Flash again. Why am I paying for a data plan if I can't watch most videos? Nearly every site I visit is incomplete because there is always some flash that is needed. It is incorporated into so many various sites.
    I agree with you. It seems like wp7 is a media player/social networking tool before it is a phone. You need to be very involved adding "flair" (tiles that flip, rearranging, pinning unpinning, matching colors, etc..). And meshed in with all those social, updating tiles, tools, pictures and web links, you got the phone dialer and contacts. I would like them to be separate from those things.
    10-30-2011 05:01 AM
  8. canesfan625's Avatar
    Translation: They know flash sucks and won't release any versions of flash until it makes mobile web browsing BETTER. Microsoft also doesn't support flash on the tablet version of Windows 8.

    Adobe is scrambling to bring flash to a new generation of gadgets and they're going to keep hitting road blocks until companies actually want to put flash on their devices instead of merely putting up with flash.
    the actual translation is probably more like mobile IE doesn't support active-x and metro IE doesn't support plugins so they are back at the drawing board. I suppose there is a chance mobile devices might just end up with adobe edge which is being tested with windows phone soon
    10-30-2011 06:53 AM
  9. PatapscoMike's Avatar
    Blackberry's profile management is the best! With a customizable LED flashing whatever color for whatever event!
    This x2. Having to pick up and turn on the phone to see if I have a message, simple as it is with the tiles, sucks. Great phone, love it, but there has got to be a way for me to look at the phone sitting on my desk when I come back from whatever and know if I need to pick it up.

    Don't miss flash a bit. I had completely forgotten about not having it.
    10-30-2011 07:56 AM
  10. jdd77's Avatar
    Translation: They know flash sucks and won't release any versions of flash until it makes mobile web browsing BETTER. Microsoft also doesn't support flash on the tablet version of Windows 8.

    Adobe is scrambling to bring flash to a new generation of gadgets and they're going to keep hitting road blocks until companies actually want to put flash on their devices instead of merely putting up with flash.
    I don't understand how flash could suck. I really don't care either way, but how could not having something that enhances web browsing be better than not having it at all?
    10-30-2011 08:48 AM
  11. HeyCori's Avatar
    I don't understand how flash could suck. I really don't care either way, but how could not having something that enhances web browsing be better than not having it at all?
    Security flaws.
    Drains battery fast.
    Resource hog.
    Increases time to load pages.
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    10-30-2011 12:10 PM
  12. desmonium's Avatar
    I agree with you. It seems like wp7 is a media player/social networking tool before it is a phone. You need to be very involved adding "flair" (tiles that flip, rearranging, pinning unpinning, matching colors, etc..). And meshed in with all those social, updating tiles, tools, pictures and web links, you got the phone dialer and contacts. I would like them to be separate from those things.
    AGREED!!! It's too hard to get to the phone dialer!!! Need to "Home"->"Phone"->"Dial".

    I just want something dedicated so that if I wanna call I just press once and get into the call screen.

    Flash player is vital. It is required for so many things. Try a speed test on your phone, nearly all of the websites need flash. Try to stream a video. Flash again. Why am I paying for a data plan if I can't watch most videos? Nearly every site I visit is incomplete because there is always some flash that is needed. It is incorporated into so many various sites.
    A lot of people get data plan not for video streaming, but for emails and webs and data.

    Flash? It's getting ditched. Just look at what's going on with HTML5 and other awesome ****.
    M$ should not waste time and resources on an abandoned technology.

    Plus Flash puts severe burden on the processor and not energy efficient at all.
    10-30-2011 12:21 PM
  13. 3migo's Avatar
    Security flaws.
    Drains battery fast.
    Resource hog.
    Increases time to load pages.
    This. I have actually turned off flash on my Blackberry Playbook in order to speed up the time in which webpages load.
    10-30-2011 12:50 PM
  14. jfa1's Avatar
    AGREED!!! It's too hard to get to the phone dialer!!! Need to "Home"->"Phone"->"Dial".

    I just want something dedicated so that if I wanna call I just press once and get into the call screen.



    A lot of people get data plan not for video streaming, but for emails and webs and data.

    Flash? It's getting ditched. Just look at what's going on with HTML5 and other awesome ****.
    M$ should not waste time and resources on an abandoned technology.

    Plus Flash puts severe burden on the processor and not energy efficient at all.
    On the first point its something that I have accepted is probably not going to change and its not that big of a deal for me I've gotten used to that quirk!

    As far as flash I dont mis on my focus I dont care for i that much on my deslktop it seems to me that its mostly in the ads that clutter up the pages and slow down loading what UI really want to look at. here at WPC and other sites.
    10-30-2011 12:50 PM
  15. Coffee's Avatar
    I don't use Facebook,twitter, etc.. I'm not 16 and don't have to keep up with what other adults are doing every second of their lives. That other stuff is simply superfluous aesthetics. I want function. Not more tiles that I don't use. I have an ipod and a camera, I bought a phone, not a music placer or camera. The phone part is like 3rd on the list of priorities for the developers.

    Flash player is vital. It is required for so many things. Try a speed test on your phone, nearly all of the websites need flash. Try to stream a video. Flash again. Why am I paying for a data plan if I can't watch most videos? Nearly every site I visit is incomplete because there is always some flash that is needed. It is incorporated into so many various sites.
    You're not understanding how valuable Twitter is in a professional capacity. I can have conversations with the best programming minds (Scott Gu, John Papa, etc) in the country over Twitter, watch their conversations with other developers, find out new, powerful software, get limited betas... there's so much valuable information on twitter, and you dismiss it as a Status Update for Teens.

    You act as if you have some sort of adult need, then complain about measuring your phone speed and streaming video. Many video sites now have HTML5 compliant streams. If they don't, it needs to be requested. If you really needed Flash so badly, you should have bought a phone that had it.

    Flash, as it exists today, is done. HTML5/JS/CSS is, for better or worse, going to be the future of web dev simply because of mobility.

    That's the reality. You can complain all you like, but the featureset is basicallycomplete. The rest is personal preferences. If you want full functionality, get a cell card for your laptop.
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    10-30-2011 01:28 PM
  16. Big Supes's Avatar
    I'm delighted my WP isn't bogged down by flash support.
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    10-30-2011 01:32 PM
  17. N8ter's Avatar
    You're underwhelemd with the Facebook/Twitter integration, the text-to-speech and speech-to-text features, the Bing Local Scout/Music/Vision, the new Zune features, the Now Playing artist on your lock screen, the deep linking with Live Tiles, the double sided Live Tiles, the camera improvements, the multitasking, the threads, the HTML5/hardware accelerated MOBILE broswer, and the allowance of 30 Live Tiles instead of 15?

    Dang, I guess man.
    To be honest those features are not much different than what you get on a skinned android phone. Fb/twitter is integrated into those devices and google has equivalent services (maps, places, latitude, goggles, etc).

    The biggest selling points over android are Zune pass and Xbox live. Ning music depends on the Zune music library which erodes its usefulness because Zune still had a much smaller Database than ie iTunes and Shazam.

    The browser is good but worse in real world use because almost every mobile site has implemented all of their advanced features assuming a webkit browser (android, safari).

    The media features are valuable, but does it usurp the platforms other weaknesses in comparison to other platforms?

    I'm on the fence. I can't even explain how excited I was leading up to the release of this platform. Now. Not so much...

    Navigation is a big issue on wp7 (bing nav). It's unusable while driving. I tried hard to use it during my 1300 mile trip up here but having to fondle the phone while driving on the interstate and in unfamiliar areas was just too dangerous.

    Good navigation was probably the number one feature I was waiting on. I was only keeping my vibrant active to use it primarily for that function, and they didn't deliver in mango. Every turn and reroute requires a tap that often doesn't register on the first or second tap. It's simply not a usable system unless you walk everywhere.


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    Last edited by N8ter; 10-30-2011 at 02:23 PM.
    10-30-2011 02:18 PM
  18. desmonium's Avatar
    To be honest those features are not much different than what you get on a skinned android phone. Fb/twitter is integrated into those devices and google has equivalent services (maps, places, latitude, goggles, etc).
    I want this over Android because the consistency of the theme, font, and other aesthetically pleasant features that make the phone feel like one solid piece instead of pants with patches.


    The biggest selling points over android are Zune pass and Xbox live. Ning music depends on the Zune music library which erodes its usefulness because Zune still had a much smaller Database than ie iTunes and Shazam.
    I don't really care about Zune pass or Xbox. Rarely listen to music on the go and games are distracting me from work so nah.


    The browser is good but worse in real world use because almost every mobile site has implemented all of their advanced features assuming a webkit browser (android, safari).
    IE does seem slower than Safari, not that much but I really would like to have a very smooth browsing experience. Though with apps I depend a lot less on browser.


    I'm on the fence. I can't even explain how excited I was leading up to the release of this platform. Now. Not so much...
    True, after a few months I feel like, what's the hype about WP7 anyway. It's still attractive but now I have a more objective view of it.


    Navigation is a big issue on wp7 (bing nav). It's unusable while driving. I tried hard to use it during my 1300 mile trip up here but having to fondle the phone while driving on the interstate and in unfamiliar areas was just too dangerous.

    Good navigation was probably the number one feature I was waiting on. I was only keeping my vibrant active to use it primarily for that function, and they didn't deliver in mango. Every turn and reroute requires a tap that often doesn't register on the first or second tap. It's simply not a usable system unless you walk everywhere.
    I think Google Map is much easier to read than Bing map. Gladly on Lumia 800 we have Nokia Map and Drive, which are awesome navigation apps, but I am not sure how good is it for USA, cuz Google Map integrates a lot of useful information such as Public Transit, Reviews and etc.
    Last edited by desmonium; 10-30-2011 at 03:38 PM.
    10-30-2011 02:53 PM
  19. canesfan625's Avatar
    AGREED!!! It's too hard to get to the phone dialer!!! Need to "Home"->"Phone"->"Dial".

    I just want something dedicated so that if I wanna call I just press once and get into the call screen.



    A lot of people get data plan not for video streaming, but for emails and webs and data.

    Flash? It's getting ditched. Just look at what's going on with HTML5 and other awesome ****.
    M$ should not waste time and resources on an abandoned technology.

    Plus Flash puts severe burden on the processor and not energy efficient at all.
    Flash isn't going anywhere anytime soon. HTML5 isn't even projected to be complete until like 2022. Flash is much more powerful than the current subset and we will see it run side by side for some time.
    10-30-2011 04:15 PM
  20. desmonium's Avatar
    Flash isn't going anywhere anytime soon. HTML5 isn't even projected to be complete until like 2022. Flash is much more powerful than the current subset and we will see it run side by side for some time.
    wow 2022? Where did you get that from? Why not 3022?

    Lol... just look at Adobe's strategic planning with Flash. They already started ditching it with Adobe Edge and AIR.

    Flash is going to die soon, and more energy/computation efficient products are getting out from Adobe. M$ shouldn't waste time on something with 1~2 years more life.
    10-30-2011 04:34 PM
  21. canesfan625's Avatar
    wow 2022? Where did you get that from? Why not 3022?

    Lol... just look at Adobe's strategic planning with Flash. They already started ditching it with Adobe Edge and AIR.

    Flash is going to die soon, and more energy/computation efficient products are getting out from Adobe. M$ shouldn't waste time on something with 1~2 years more life.
    Because Ian Hickson said 2022 not 3022
    10-30-2011 04:48 PM
  22. palandri's Avatar
    Because Ian Hickson said 2022 not 3022
    2022 is just crazy. :D
    10-30-2011 04:53 PM
  23. desmonium's Avatar
    Because Ian Hickson said 2022 not 3022
    Right. Bill Gates said 512KB memory was gonna be enough for the next century.
    10-30-2011 04:58 PM
  24. canesfan625's Avatar
    Right. Bill Gates said 512KB memory was gonna be enough for the next century.
    It was 637kb and he said it in 1981 lol

    Looks like W3C has html 5 being finalized in 2014. We then have to still wait for browsers to catch up and then there is still waiting for adoption. Flash will be around more than 1-2 years still.
    10-30-2011 05:21 PM
  25. YXEBears's Avatar
    I personally miss Flash. Yes, there is a bit of mobile TV stuff on YT, but streaming off network websites just seems to work better. My Focus has a wonderful display, let me use it...
    10-31-2011 12:19 AM
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