11-03-2011 03:11 PM
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  1. threed61's Avatar
    Pronk, you want to offer some evidence of this huge amount of charity?
    11-02-2011 01:02 PM
  2. Pronk's Avatar
    Well here's one example:
    How Steve Jobs Got Sick, Got Better, And Decided To Save Some Lives

    If he really didn't give a monkeys about anyone else, he'd be unlikely to go to the effort and expense it took to pass a stalled law to make it easier for people who didn't have his wealth to also get life-saving transplants.

    There's also Apple's work with (Product) RED, where they were one of the first major supporters. RED have raised 180 million dollars to fight AIDS.

    And then there are these examples of personal generosity:
    http://www.quora.com/Steve-Jobs/What...obs?q=steve+jo
    (the top one, and various entries in the list such as the airline ticket and the Jaguar)

    Obviously, I don't have access to his finances and therefore as he didn't make what he did public I can't magically make those records appear. However, none of the examples above fit the profile of a man who hoards his wealth and has no generosity. Just because he didn't set up a big foundation with his name on it or trumpet how much he did personally doesn't mean he didn't do anything, and it does him a disservice to suggest so based on a partially fictionalised account that only runs up to 1985 anyway.
    11-02-2011 01:45 PM
  3. threed61's Avatar
    Ever since Andrew Sorkin's NYT article last August questioning Job's lack of generosity, iFans have sputtered about unfair attacks while offering little to contradict the prevailing view that the man sat on his $8 billion fortune in Scrooge like fashion.
    I saw a report over at Phone Arena today that Apple has reinstated the matching donations to charities that Jobs canceled in 1997. A shame that they had to wait until he was dead to do it.
    11-02-2011 02:06 PM
  4. Pronk's Avatar
    Right, not getting into this argument as clearly nothings short of financial records will satisfy you, so no point.
    11-02-2011 02:59 PM
  5. Curtieson's Avatar
    There's also Apple's work with (Product) RED, where they were one of the first major supporters. RED have raised 180 million dollars to fight AIDS.
    I hope you aren't thinking that Apple didn't get their back scratched through all the (Red) stuff... If anything, you should find it appalling they were using AIDS to make money...

    [I don't find it appalling, but I do not like when companies throw a pink ribbon on something to make it sell better...sure, it is raising awareness but also making the company money at the cost of people's lives]
    11-03-2011 08:16 AM
  6. Curtieson's Avatar
    Unfortunately for Nokia, beyond the company's brand name and Windows Phone 7, there's nothing that really sets the Lumia phones apart from other smartphones on the market or that would compel users to buy them.
    This dude seriously underestimates the power of color choices, haha

    The new iPhone has the Siri voice-control system. Various Android devices can tout jumbo screens, docks that let them mimic laptops and radios that let them make wireless payments, not to mention a wide range of sizes, shapes and prices.
    Siri...like Apple really needs Siri to do well to sell devices...

    Yea, your android can work like a slow *** laptop, for $600...awesome. The Nokia can (will be able to) control my Xbox (~55 Million+ sold)...take that! But yes, Android has its all you can eat buffet and Apple has its following. MS has a good OS, THAT is what will make it sell (that, and great commercials, haha)

    By contrast, neither of the Lumias has a "killer app." Sure, they have the latest version of Windows Phone 7, but I don't think that's going to be enough.
    Turn by Turn and free music...? It's something at least...
    11-03-2011 09:41 AM
  7. Pronk's Avatar
    I hope you aren't thinking that Apple didn't get their back scratched through all the (Red) stuff... If anything, you should find it appalling they were using AIDS to make money...

    [I don't find it appalling, but I do not like when companies throw a pink ribbon on something to make it sell better...sure, it is raising awareness but also making the company money at the cost of people's lives]
    They would make the money anyway - I doubt there were/are that many people who'd buy e.g. an iPod for the sole reason it was a (RED) product. At least this way some money goes to a good cause as well as opposed to none at all if the (RED) version didn't exist.

    To be honest, I'd rather people gave money directly to charity - especially if they are one of the few who'd buy a product only because it gives a proportion away (and then I'd argue the issue is really with the person rather than the product). But if it's a toss-up between some money from product sales and no money from product sales, well it's a no brainer.
    11-03-2011 11:05 AM
  8. Curtieson's Avatar
    They would make the money anyway - I doubt there were/are that many people who'd buy e.g. an iPod for the sole reason it was a (RED) product. At least this way some money goes to a good cause as well as opposed to none at all if the (RED) version didn't exist.

    To be honest, I'd rather people gave money directly to charity - especially if they are one of the few who'd buy a product only because it gives a proportion away (and then I'd argue the issue is really with the person rather than the product). But if it's a toss-up between some money from product sales and no money from product sales, well it's a no brainer.
    I was just saying, tying your product to a cause isn't really a good will offering. It is like doing volunteer work and getting paid 95% of your typical paycheck. Kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

    Agree though...the best case is ALWAYS to donate yourself...i thought the pay $5 for a 5 cent bracelet era was a good idea though too...although it was quite self centered ("Look, I have this possession that shows I care! LOOK!")
    11-03-2011 03:11 PM
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