11-10-2011 05:36 PM
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  1. Umm Yeah's Avatar
    For most people who just come off the street into a Verizon, or Sprint, or AT&T or T-Mobile store to look at phones, they won't ask if it is dual core or single core, or how much RAM. They will see how it responds and how the screen looks, etc. The salespeople often won't mention it either. I think the limited storage on WP WILL be noticed by many consumers, but the other things just aren't on their radar.

    And for the record, I'm already wearing my coat while I type this... just in case.
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    11-07-2011 11:20 AM
  2. Umm Yeah's Avatar
    Dang. Hard to please some people. Most users have to wait 18 months for an upgrade on a 2 year contract. So a $199 phone works out to 0.36 per day for the pleasure of using a WP. That does not include the $100 you could probably get for it on eBay.

    Or another way to look at it. If you think WPs are priced too high, it's 0.18 a day more ($199 vs. $99) for a fast, easy to use, energy efficient OS. That makes WP a bargain IMHO. Actually, I paid $399 for my Surround off contract last November and would do it again in an instant.

    Sent from my HTC Surround using Board Express

    You are ignoring the $90/month voice/data plan. That smartphone is costing you $98/month including the device.
    The monthly cost will be the same whether they use an iPhone, an Android phone, or a WP7 phone, so it's only the initial outlay that varies. I think he was under the assumption that the monthly costs would be incurred regardless.
    11-07-2011 11:23 AM
  3. wolf1891's Avatar
    Ah but i bet you didn't get your coat and leave did you ?

    Not quite embarrasing enough situation I don't think wolf1891. (I Hope) ;)
    heh... nah, I stopped worrying much about looking like a fool years ago. and somehow I managed to get a second date lined up anyways so... maybe she likes fools? :D
    11-07-2011 03:25 PM
  4. TheWeeBear's Avatar
    Good news indeedy then wolf1891. :)
    11-07-2011 03:28 PM
  5. canesfan625's Avatar
    You must not do much on your computer if you can't tell the difference between a computer with a single core 1Ghz and one with two 2.5Ghz dual cores. Emailing grandma, it doesn't really matter much.

    And you're missing the OP's point, whether dual core...is needed or not for WP7.
    This would be a great if there weren't other factors in play. Anyways, Its just a matter of perspective. Where you see inferior others see a phone that dies in 3 hours. Its definitely an enthusiast market. Everyone is throwing out all these specs and buzzwords for hardware that not much software actually supports yet. I only see dual core really working well on mobile devices (in the short term) if they are under clocked.
    11-07-2011 04:58 PM
  6. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    And yet again, you are missing the OP's point. A dual core processor cost more than a single core processor at the same clock speed. NFC chip cost more than not having one, 1 gig of ram cost more than 512 meg of ram. The OP is wondering, why are they both selling at the same price point, if one clearly cost less to make. It has nothing to do with someone thinking WP7 being inferior, or someone thinking Android/iOS is superior.
    This would be a great if there weren't other factors in play. Anyways, Its just a matter of perspective. Where you see inferior others see a phone that dies in 3 hours. Its definitely an enthusiast market. Everyone is throwing out all these specs and buzzwords for hardware that not much software actually supports yet. I only see dual core really working well on mobile devices (in the short term) if they are under clocked.
    11-07-2011 05:26 PM
  7. cckgz4's Avatar
    The only one that I know of that is selling for 200 are the s and the titan and they are on par with other smartphones in their price ranges.
    11-07-2011 05:31 PM
  8. condemned's Avatar
    The hardcore hardware will probably not be out until Apollo (mid next year).

    But the thing is this: Its the experience. Windows phones are smooth as butter and dont need to have the most super duper processor to run well. In fact, my Focus, with 3 generation old hardware runs better and more fluid than my Atrix.

    Now it would be nice for dual core support ect since many games especially will be making splashes with this requirement, but they are coming...just not for another 6-9 months.

    But other than some games not making it to the platform due to engine constraints ect, you would never think the hardware was inferior if you didn't see the specs. If you are a huge gamer, iOS is where to be for the moment. If games are not your #1 priority, or just aren't that important, WP is excellent and will only get better.

    The UI and overall experience is so much better that I don't mind waiting a little for the platform to mature. You can always get a Windows Phone for the pleasure of use, and have an iPod Touch for a larger selection of games ;)
    The way Android performs has much more to do with hardware than software. Google could make Android run as smooth as WP7 phones on outdated hardware. Devs have already done this. The G1 runs just as smooth as WP7 on some custom ROMs. It has more to do with the way the software is coded.

    This is actually why I ended up getting a BB 9900 today at the store instead of the Focus S. I felt the device and it just feels cheap, breakable, while the Blackberry felt premium and refined. That means a lot to me.
    Same. I've always stressed this ever since I had a BB Curve.

    Samsung makes good devices but the build quality on them sucks. They feel like cheap $2 pieces of plastic that you'd find a toy built out of. I was playing with a friend's Galaxy S the other day and it felt cheap compared to my HTC.
    11-07-2011 06:06 PM
  9. canesfan625's Avatar
    And yet again, you are missing the OP's point. A dual core processor cost more than a single core processor at the same clock speed. NFC chip cost more than not having one, 1 gig of ram cost more than 512 meg of ram. The OP is wondering, why are they both selling at the same price point, if one clearly cost less to make. It has nothing to do with someone thinking WP7 being inferior, or someone thinking Android/iOS is superior.
    Yeah, sure it costs more but barely and who knows what kind of subsidies they are getting from carriers though and I'm sure that factors into their profit margin goals somewhere. Anyways, does anyone actually think this is how it works? Apple builds an iPhone 4 for <200 bucks and sells it for $529
    11-07-2011 06:22 PM
  10. KingCrimson's Avatar
    Yeah, sure it costs more but barely and who knows what kind of subsidies they are getting from carriers though and I'm sure that factors into their profit margin goals somewhere. Anyways, does anyone actually think this is how it works? Apple builds an iPhone 4 for <200 bucks and sells it for $529
    That's because Apple has parlayed their cash into lower component prices for years. It's an unbelievable competitive advantage they have compared to all other OEMs. Not only they get the same components for much cheaper, but they buy in such massive quantities that it deprives stock to competitors. Thus it drives up the prices for competitors and eliminate their profit margin. Apple virtually monopolizes the profits in mobile because of this.
    11-07-2011 11:44 PM
  11. canesfan625's Avatar
    That's because Apple has parlayed their cash into lower component prices for years. It's an unbelievable competitive advantage they have compared to all other OEMs. Not only they get the same components for much cheaper, but they buy in such massive quantities that it deprives stock to competitors. Thus it drives up the prices for competitors and eliminate their profit margin. Apple virtually monopolizes the profits in mobile because of this.
    Apparently the BOM for Windows Phone was 400 when first released and is at 220 now. They might actually provide them cheaper to the user but I suspect they are only trying to lower price to get more vendors on board and broaden the selection as well.
    11-08-2011 06:57 AM
  12. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I'd figure the BOM for a new WP7 to be around the 220 - 300 dollar mark. The end user will never see lower prices for high end handsets, no matter what the BOM is.
    Apparently the BOM for Windows Phone was 400 when first released and is at 220 now. They might actually provide them cheaper to the user but I suspect they are only trying to lower price to get more vendors on board and broaden the selection as well.
    11-08-2011 08:08 AM
  13. power5's Avatar
    The only one that I know of that is selling for 200 are the s and the titan and they are on par with other smartphones in their price ranges.
    16gb 4S is $199 with contract. Sorry, the Titan is not even close to on par with the 4S. Does not mean I will not still be getting a Titan over a 4S, but it should be cheaper for me to do so. Droid Bionic can be had for $150 on contract.
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    11-08-2011 09:09 AM
  14. palandri's Avatar
    ...Droid Bionic can be had for $150 on contract.
    With a 6 hour battery. :D
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    11-08-2011 09:10 AM
  15. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    100% correct. The truth hurts some people though. LOL.
    16gb 4S is $199 with contract. Sorry, the Titan is not even close to on par with the 4S. Does not mean I will not still be getting a Titan over a 4S, but it should be cheaper for me to do so. Droid Bionic can be had for $150 on contract.
    11-08-2011 09:34 AM
  16. jalb's Avatar
    Sorry, the Titan is not even close to on par with the 4S.
    I thought they had almost the same internals.
    11-08-2011 09:44 AM
  17. Major's Avatar
    The iPhone 4S's hardware is far superior to the Titan or anything else that runs WP7. What WP7 phones have going for them is a lack of iTunes, and of course WP7 itself.
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    11-08-2011 10:25 AM
  18. jalb's Avatar
    The iPhone 4S's hardware is far superior to the Titan or anything else that runs WP7. What WP7 phones have going for them is a lack of iTunes, and of course WP7 itself.
    Oh, I'm an *****. I thought he was saying the Titan didn't hold a candle to the Focus S.


    Nevermind.

    </emily>
    11-08-2011 10:51 AM
  19. jdd77's Avatar
    I have now just finished downloading and installing windows phone SDK 7.1 and Microsoft .NET framework 4 on my pc, which is required before downloading the unlock tool in chevronwp7 labs. Now I have 2 questions..do I run the product now, before downloading the unlock tool in chevron? And which one do I download-the 32 bit tool or the 64?
    11-08-2011 12:01 PM
  20. aubreyq's Avatar
    I have now just finished downloading and installing windows phone SDK 7.1 and Microsoft .NET framework 4 on my pc, which is required before downloading the unlock tool in chevronwp7 labs. Now I have 2 questions..do I run the product now, before downloading the unlock tool in chevron? And which one do I download-the 32 bit tool or the 64?
    I suggest a new thread, man. This one, with the "bummed" subject, has addressed too many topics, LOL! Just sayin'
    11-08-2011 12:18 PM
  21. canesfan625's Avatar
    16gb 4S is $199 with contract. Sorry, the Titan is not even close to on par with the 4S. Does not mean I will not still be getting a Titan over a 4S, but it should be cheaper for me to do so. Droid Bionic can be had for $150 on contract.
    $199 is a psychological ceiling. Subsidies are where they burn you.

    The iPhone 4S's hardware is far superior to the Titan or anything else that runs WP7. What WP7 phones have going for them is a lack of iTunes, and of course WP7 itself.
    The only thing "far superior" is the SGX535.
    11-08-2011 12:23 PM
  22. canesfan625's Avatar
    I have now just finished downloading and installing windows phone SDK 7.1 and Microsoft .NET framework 4 on my pc, which is required before downloading the unlock tool in chevronwp7 labs. Now I have 2 questions..do I run the product now, before downloading the unlock tool in chevron? And which one do I download-the 32 bit tool or the 64?
    All you need is the latest windows phone support tool and .NET. Which flavor of Windows do you have? 32 bit or 64 bit
    11-08-2011 12:25 PM
  23. theefman's Avatar
    The iPhone 4S's hardware is far superior to the Titan or anything else that runs WP7. What WP7 phones have going for them is a lack of iTunes, and of course WP7 itself.
    Excellent design, yes. Powerful hardware, definitely. Far superior? Not in my eyes.
    11-08-2011 12:34 PM
  24. jdd77's Avatar
    I suggest a new thread, man. This one, with the "bummed" subject, has addressed too many topics, LOL! Just sayin'
    Your right..and I'll probably need alot of help getting started with this thing. Don't wanna screw up my phone!
    11-08-2011 01:17 PM
  25. jdd77's Avatar
    All you need is the latest windows phone support tool and .NET. Which flavor of Windows do you have? 32 bit or 64 bit
    Its 64 bit. Thanks for helping me answer my own question..lol. Now, what's the latest WP support tool? ... Actually, Im just gonna start a thread about this because I obviously have no idea what I'm doing..
    11-08-2011 01:27 PM
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