11-11-2011 07:12 AM
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  1. Umm Yeah's Avatar
    On my antique BlackBerry, I have a 16GB microSD card. I have a realtively smallish music collection but I also subscribe to podcasts. Currently I'm filling up 8.94GB. With an 8GB phone, I'd have about 6.5GB of usuable space. That automatically rules out any 8GB phones, so by bye Lumia 710 and Radar. 16GB would work but if I decide to expand my music or podcast library or apps, I would be stuck.

    Not to mention the fact that this 16GB microSD card is already bought and paid for. If they start offering phones with multiple storage options like the iPhone, I will be forced to pay for storage every time I upgrade. On Verizon, moving from an 8GB iPhone to a 16GB iPhone costs me $100 more. Moving from a 16Gb iPhone to a 32GB iPhone costs me another $100. In contrast, on Amazon, I can buy a baseline 8GB microSD card for $8.54. A 16GB card costs me $12.00 and a 32GB card would set me back $36.80. If the iPhone had removable storage, I would buy the 8GB iPhone and add my pre-existing 16GB card and pocket that savings. As it stands now, I pay a significant premium for extra storage that I wouldn't otherwise need if external storage were allowed.

    Make no mistake about it, this is the way of the future because the carriers and OEM's see storage as a new profit center. Apple started the trend. MS is making it their default. The new Samsung Galaxy Nexus Android phone, the next true "Google Phone", does not allow external storage. This will be a significant cost increase to consumers as they upgrade their phones through the years.
    Last edited by Umm Yeah...; 11-10-2011 at 03:41 PM.
    11-10-2011 12:31 PM
  2. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    On my antique BlackBerry, I have a 16GB microSD card. I have a realtively smallish music collection but I also subscribe to podcasts. Currently I'm filling up 8.94GB. With an 8GB phone, I'd have about 6.5GB of usuable space. That automatically rules out any 8GB phones, so by bye Lumia 710 and Radar. 16GB would work but if I decide to expand my music or podcast library or apps, I would be stuck.

    Not to mention the fact that this 16GB microSD card is already bought and paid for. If they start offering phones with multiple storage options like the iPhone, I will be forced to pay for storage every time I upgrade. On Verizon, moving from an 8GB iPhone to a 16GB iPhone costs me $100 more. Moving from a 16Gb iPhone to a 32GB iPhone costs me another $100. In contrast, on Amzon, I can buy a baseline 8GB microSD card for $8.54. A 16GB card costs me $12.00 and a 32GB card would set me back $36.80. If the iPhone had removable storage, I would buy the 8GB iPhone and add my pre-existing 16GB card and pocket that savings. As it stands now, I pay a significant premium for extra storage that I wouldn't otherwise need if external storage were allowed.

    Make no mistake about it, this is the way of the future because the carriers and OEM's see storage as a new profit center. Apple started the trend. MS is making it their default. The new Samsung Galaxy Nexus Android phone, the next true "Google Phone", does not allow external storage. This will be a significant cast increase to consumers as they upgrade their phones through the years.

    wow....never thought of it like this....thanks for the insight
    11-10-2011 12:39 PM
  3. kylej1050's Avatar
    I've got 64GB in my music library but in no way need all those songs on my phone. To be honest, I don't know why I even keep that many songs as I don't listen to much of any of it anymore. It's just a collection of songs at this point as most of the music on my phone is stuff I downloaded on the phone itself. They aren't even synced to Zune.

    I think I'm using 5GB out of 16. That's including a few movies and music videos.
    11-10-2011 05:12 PM
  4. ecthroi's Avatar
    Zune pass doesn't work with an ipod or any other music player except Zunes, which are now discontinued, or Windows phone. Streaming isn't a good option for those on limited data plans. If you want to make smart*** comments, at least have all your information straight.
    i wasn't talking about Zune pass, i was talking about being able to store 24+ hours worth of music on an 8 gig phone. if a person wants to purchase Zune pass for their Windows phone, they can then have even more room for other content besides music....and if they don't purchase it, they have EASILY 24+ hours worth of music they can store on their 8 gig phone. not enough? get a 16 gig phone! not enough? but a last gen that has microSD support! do i think microsoft should offer 32 gig options on at least SOME of the new Windows phones? **** yeah i do, cause options are always good. i never said otherwise. i was simply pointing out (along with a couple of other posters) that you can fit a lot of information on even an 8gig phone, and i personally (my opinion...we all have one, right?) think 16 gigs is plenty for most people, and MOST who think they 'need' more than that are mistaken. they may WANT more than that, sure. and that's EXACTLY why Microsoft should be offering 32+ gig phones. but they don't with any of this generation of phones, so get over it. go back to last gen or wait. call Microsoft and complain until then.

    just as if i someone were to poke at me complaining about the titan not getting a release date until a couple days ago, i wouldn't get offended; i'm WHINING on an internet forum. it's a silly place, we have to expect it.

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    now THAT's me being a smart@ss. this is the internet, don't take it so seriously.
    11-10-2011 07:59 PM
  5. ecthroi's Avatar
    It's greedy to want to be able to do something with WP that we could do with every other major OS?

    We can reasonably, just not with WP.

    I want to carry only 1 device, and I don't want Apple or iTunes.
    yeah, i see it as greedy. people are suddenly worried about having everything accessible all of the time, in every device they own. i think it's a greedy, selfish consequence of the culture around technology; we want the best all the time and anything hindering us being satisfied beyond every imaginative whim we may have is, to these few people, an issue. my thoughts (read: personal opinions) about that are that these people need to step back for a second and reevaluate what's going on. how many of us even had cell phones 20 years ago? not even 10%? how many of us had a computer with 32 gigs of space 10 years ago? not many. we got along just fine. and yes, increasing speed/size of files/quality, blah blah, i understand that. i'm simply saying that 10 years ago we got around JUST fine without a 32 gig computer in our pocket. it's the culture that i find greedy and unreasonable, not simply these few people who are genuinely upset that theres nothing over 16 gigs currently offered in this wave of Mango phones. it's NOT that big of a deal to anyone except MS's stockholders.

    on your second point, yeah, we can. but for whatever reasons MS chose not to offer it, and i can assure you they had plenty of conversations about offering phones with more than 16 gigs in this set of phones, but they chose not to. it's reasonable to want it, it's not reasonable to expect it. MS doesn't owe you, me, or anyone anything at all. their decisions will be judged by the amount of money they make (or don't make).

    not to be glib, but, well, get a focus. microSD support, Mango support. problem solved. not on AT&T? there are other options, which includes switching to AT&T (assuming you're in the states).
    11-10-2011 08:20 PM
  6. bpgui's Avatar
    ^Since we got along fine without cell phones 10-20 years ago, perhaps we shouldn't have them now.

    I guess we'll just have to disagree that wanting options that EVERY OTHER major manufacturer gives its customers is greedy. I
    11-10-2011 08:47 PM
  7. cckgz4's Avatar
    See that? No one says you are being greedy for wanting "better" hardware or wanting different things on the os. Suggestions are open to the forum and I like reading them, but after the same person repeats it in his 7th post, its redundant. And just because someone counters your opinion doesn't automatically mean it's negative
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    11-10-2011 09:11 PM
  8. Major's Avatar
    Greedy? That's absurd. It's perfectly reasonable to want WP7 phones to offer a competitive feature set. Those that are being loyal to the OS are getting shortchanged. If MS is averse to allowing SD expansion, fine. The manufacturers need to give buyers options. It would be a good idea for MS to get with Nokia or someone and have them make a true halo device.

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    11-10-2011 09:30 PM
  9. ecthroi's Avatar
    ^Since we got along fine without cell phones 10-20 years ago, perhaps we shouldn't have them now.

    I guess we'll just have to disagree that wanting options that EVERY OTHER major manufacturer gives its customers is greedy. I
    i didn't have a cell until 3-4 years ago. i'm 29, live in a smallish southern city. before i got a cell, i was the odd one out. plus, i like tech-y stuff. i just never liked cell phones, and part of me still doesn't. if it wasn't VERY convenient to my current lifestyle, i probably wouldn't have one. in a few years when that situation changes, i'll seriously consider going without one and back to a landline. it's not a matter of should or shouldn't, we obviously have the choice and live in a country where we have time to argue over this mess, so we DO have that choice. i just think it's a bit greedy of some people to want everything all of the time. sometimes you just have to accept there are SOME limitations.

    again, i said very clearly that i thought the culture that i found greedy, and in a previous post stated that i feel that greed comes as a consequence of the tech-world's 'bigger better faster' mentality. that's all.

    and technically, MS still offers phones with microSD expansion. the first generation focuses are easily purchased at multiple retailers and, as far as i know, the production line isn't discontinued yet; though i'm sure that's not too far off.
    11-10-2011 09:46 PM
  10. jalb's Avatar
    I'm greedy then. I want my phone to have everything I want, and I want it now, and I want it cheap.
    11-10-2011 09:51 PM
  11. threed61's Avatar
    i wasn't talking about Zune pass, i was talking about being able to store 24+ hours worth of music on an 8 gig phone. if a person wants to purchase Zune pass for their Windows phone, they can then have even more room for other content besides music....and if they don't purchase it, they have EASILY 24+ hours worth of music they can store on their 8 gig phone. not enough? get a 16 gig phone! not enough? but a last gen that has microSD support! do i think microsoft should offer 32 gig options on at least SOME of the new Windows phones? **** yeah i do, cause options are always good. i never said otherwise. i was simply pointing out (along with a couple of other posters) that you can fit a lot of information on even an 8gig phone, and i personally (my opinion...we all have one, right?) think 16 gigs is plenty for most people, and MOST who think they 'need' more than that are mistaken. they may WANT more than that, sure. and that's EXACTLY why Microsoft should be offering 32+ gig phones. but they don't with any of this generation of phones, so get over it. go back to last gen or wait. call Microsoft and complain until then.

    just as if i someone were to poke at me complaining about the titan not getting a release date until a couple days ago, i wouldn't get offended; i'm WHINING on an internet forum. it's a silly place, we have to expect it.

    zune | eBay

    now THAT's me being a smart@ss. this is the internet, don't take it so seriously.
    What can I say but, you're right!
    11-10-2011 09:53 PM
  12. threed61's Avatar
    I'm greedy then. I want my phone to have everything I want, and I want it now, and I want it cheap.
    Better yet, free! With a rebate check.
    11-10-2011 09:54 PM
  13. cckgz4's Avatar
    I'm greedy then. I want my phone to have everything I want, and I want it now, and I want it cheap.
    Yeah but you won't get it cheap unless it becomes outdated by a newer phone or your carrier has it for a good price
    11-10-2011 09:58 PM
  14. jalb's Avatar
    Better yet, free! With a rebate check.
    Now you got it. And bring me a beer, too.
    11-10-2011 10:57 PM
  15. lumic's Avatar
    ecthroi, stop trying to impose your opinion on everyone. I want my music in 320kbps, that's my choice. I also want a selection of podcasts with at least two episodes for each (so Zune doesn't go nifty and delete one when I don't want it to). I need to keep all the large games I have because there is no app data backup.

    I'm currently out of memory with no movies and restricting my game, music and podcast selection. Having enough storage to meet your needs is not "greed" - just because your mileage is much lower does not entitle you to sit on a moral high horse.
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    11-10-2011 11:04 PM
  16. Ntropy99's Avatar
    Gotta say, I don't see ecthroi imposing his opinion on anyone. Just stating it, and then having to defend it way too much. I see a lot of "I want, I want, I want" throughout this post. I am on Verizon, they have one phone. I want to buy my wife a new phone, preferably a WP one, and have options. I want a phone with 64GB. I want an 8 Meg camera. I want it to have instantaneous download and the battery to last as long as I need it without charging it. I want the phone to be able to send documents from email, not from the pulling up the document and then sending. I wanted the "Storm 3" from BB 12 months before they released it. I want everything now, and that doesn't happen. Progress will give us the phones we want, so that when they come out we will want something past that and they won't be good enough either. Buy the phone for the features it has, live with them until you are ready to buy the next great thing that you can't live with out.
    And BTW, I don't really need any of things I want. 16Gb right now is just fine!
    11-11-2011 06:44 AM
  17. bpgui's Avatar
    Telling us what we need or don't need and calling us greedy for wanting options that are provided by other OSes is pretty much a textbook definition of trying to impose his opinion on us.
    11-11-2011 06:56 AM
  18. threed61's Avatar
    I believe Ethcroi was trying to have a little fun and lighten things up on a frustrating subject, a point that went way over my head too. ntropy99, patience is indeed the best practice when dealing with Verizon! Lets not forget to have fun here once in a while.
    11-11-2011 07:10 AM
  19. Pronk's Avatar
    Thing is, it's not so much "I want", which would be greedy, as "I want to *buy*", which is very different. There's no greed here because for the most part we all pay for our devices - just a desire for parity with the other main mobile formats for roughly the same money spent.

    To be honest it doesn't even bother me - I have an 8GB phone and it's only just about half full. But I still recognise if you have a customer base you want to encourage to make full use of their smartphones, buying apps and music and videos, it's ridiculous to then limit how much storage they can have onboard on almost all the phones on that platform. There isn't a single top-end WP7 phone bar the IS12T with more than 16GB. Not one. You can get iPhones up to 64GB, and even low, low end Android handsets have expandable memory.

    MS want WP7 to be the third platform and take market share from iOS and Android. Noble aims, but you don't catch up by going more slowly and offering less for the same money.
    11-11-2011 07:12 AM
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