11-14-2011 10:34 AM
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  1. mmaman's Avatar
    I don't understand the point of this thread. The OP loves iPhone, so he won't buy a WP device now. Which is fair enough. But when others point out how much iPhone sucks compared to Windows Phone, he takes offence to that.

    So, if he had already made up his mind, why bother starting this thread in the first place?
    So I cant make a discussion? Just giving my thoughts, isnt that what these forums are for? Also I didnt take offence to anything, just annoyed with fanboys who I find incredibly stupid.
    11-08-2011 12:50 PM
  2. Big Supes's Avatar
    Yea I just made this thread with no bad intention in anyway, just a simple little discussion and I hate when fanboys come in with stupid remarks and such you know, but whatever, its my fault too, Ive been on the internet long enough that I shouldn't let these guys bother me lol
    I suspected as much; I've been there. :)

    From my experience, this place seems to be very neutral and open minded regarding WP competitors. Sure, a small degree of chain yanking will occur when someone states they're off to Apple, but 95% here will happily respect your decision. Whatever floats your boat, dude. It's good you've at least looked at WP7.5; a lot more than what can be said for other folks. :)
    11-08-2011 12:52 PM
  3. sam17ub's Avatar
    So I cant make a discussion? Just giving my thoughts, isnt that what these forums are for? Also I didnt take offence to anything, just annoyed with fanboys who I find incredibly stupid.
    I think it's more like a one way discussion, or a blog post. Because whoever criticizes the iPhone and says your decision wasn't very good -- you label him a fanboy. This is not how a discussion works.
    11-08-2011 12:53 PM
  4. mmaman's Avatar
    Yeah, I started with an original 30gb Zune and upgraded to an 32gb Zune HD. I don't have any duplicates. I still use my ZHD for my music and podcasts. I don't have but a half dozen songs on my Trophy.
    Yea sometimes some of these Music Librarys have trouble making the tags stay on certain songs for some reason and you end up with missing artwork, duplicates and what not, dont get me wrong I can use itunes and zune for sure, I just find mediamonkey super easy to use and more feature rich.
    11-08-2011 12:53 PM
  5. mmaman's Avatar
    I suspected as much; I've been there. :)

    From my experience, this place seems to be very neutral and open minded regarding WP competitors. Sure, a small degree of chain yanking will occur when someone states they're off to Apple, but 95% here will happily respect your decision. Whatever floats your boat, dude. It's good you've at least looked at WP7.5; a lot more than what can be said for other folks. :)
    Yea like I said im still debating it, the main thing for me is memory, I guess I could get the focus again but for that I'd rather get the superior S, Im not gonna get anything right this minute so I still have time to think, not sure though. If I do go with titan or Focus S, the best thing I can do is create playlists for my artists and cut out any songs that I dont like/listen too, that would save me a lot of room. I also played with the HD7S at ATT and I gotta say it was pretty nice! I hear mixed reports of it though. If only the titan was 4.3'...
    11-08-2011 12:58 PM
  6. mmaman's Avatar
    I think it's more like a one way discussion, or a blog post. Because whoever criticizes the iPhone and says your decision wasn't very good -- you label him a fanboy. This is not how a discussion works.
    Theres a difference between criticizing something in a logical manner and bashing something just cause you dont like it. Anyway whatever if you dont like this thread then get out? What do you want me to say?
    11-08-2011 12:59 PM
  7. 11B1P's Avatar
    Yea sometimes some of these Music Librarys have trouble making the tags stay on certain songs for some reason and you end up with missing artwork, duplicates and what not, don't get me wrong I can use itunes and zune for sure, I just find mediamonkey super easy to use and more feature rich.
    As far as missing artwork, maybe you didn't leave the device connected to the computer long enough for the artwork to completely populate the device? Have you tried using the Zune support on Twitter? I haven't used mediamonkey so I can't offer any comparisons.

    I haven't used itunes myself, but my wife does for her ipod and ipod touch. No doubt Apple has a good product. But I'm seeing more and more Apple users switching to WP.

    I would encourage you to look for some Zune support before abanding WP. It may be possible that the problems you are encountering have simple fixes.
    11-08-2011 01:02 PM
  8. sam17ub's Avatar
    Theres a difference between criticizing something in a logical manner and bashing something just cause you dont like it. Anyway whatever if you dont like this thread then get out? What do you want me to say?
    Nothing. I just wanted to say I don't agree with your labeling of those guys as fanboys, and that if you wanted to find out what real fanboys are like, please post a similar thread on an Apple discussion board saying you are leaving iPhone for Windows Phone.

    Bye. Enjoy your iPhone, and "Siri"!
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    11-08-2011 01:06 PM
  9. 11B1P's Avatar
    Yea like I said im still debating it, the main thing for me is memory, I guess I could get the focus again but for that I'd rather get the superior S, Im not gonna get anything right this minute so I still have time to think, not sure though. If I do go with titan or Focus S, the best thing I can do is create playlists for my artists and cut out any songs that I dont like/listen too, that would save me a lot of room. I also played with the HD7S at ATT and I gotta say it was pretty nice! I hear mixed reports of it though. If only the titan was 4.3'...
    If you're into the music that much, have you tried the Zune Pass? I use my ZHD more for podcasts. I don't have but 100 or so songs on it. So for me, the Zune Pass is a cost that I don't want. I only buy a song here and there. being able to stream your music would cut down on your memory requirements.
    11-08-2011 01:07 PM
  10. mmaman's Avatar
    Nothing. I just wanted to say I don't agree with your labeling of those guys as fanboys, and that if you wanted to find out what real fanboys are like, please post a similar thread on an Apple discussion board saying you are leaving iPhone for Windows Phone.

    Bye. Enjoy your iPhone, and "Siri"!
    Thats always gonna be the case when something is more known and popular, WP7 doesn't even come close to the popularity of iPhone, but imagine if the tables were turned, you think it would be different? Go to a Windows Forum and say you are leaving for OSX, see what kind of response you get, THAT my friend is true fanboyism.
    11-08-2011 01:09 PM
  11. mmaman's Avatar
    If you're into the music that much, have you tried the Zune Pass? I use my ZHD more for podcasts. I don't have but 100 or so songs on it. So for me, the Zune Pass is a cost that I don't want. I only buy a song here and there. being able to stream your music would cut down on your memory requirements.
    Yea tbh I think the Zune pass is actually a great deal but I only mostly listen to my library and when I want to discover some new stuff I drop 3$ for a month of LastFM or just use Pandora.

    (I love how Im juggling conversations here xD)
    11-08-2011 01:11 PM
  12. Big Supes's Avatar
    Yea like I said im still debating it, the main thing for me is memory, I guess I could get the focus again but for that I'd rather get the superior S, Im not gonna get anything right this minute so I still have time to think, not sure though. If I do go with titan or Focus S, the best thing I can do is create playlists for my artists and cut out any songs that I dont like/listen too, that would save me a lot of room. I also played with the HD7S at ATT and I gotta say it was pretty nice! I hear mixed reports of it though. If only the titan was 4.3'...
    Storage capacity is reasonable concern. I would like to store more videos to my HD7, but it's not going to happen. . . for the time being. Regarding the Titan, have you held one yet? I actually think it's more comfortable to hold than my HD7. It's noticeably thinner and feels a lot more comfortable in my pocket (too comfortable as I didn't want to take it back out :D).
    11-08-2011 01:14 PM
  13. Mr.Moonlight's Avatar
    I had an iPhone for the longest time. Was pretty happy with it. But when I tried out WP7 in a T-Mobile shop last December, I realized this was something groundbreaking. I was expecting something similar to WM 6.5, but was surprised by what I experienced. I made the leap of faith and never looked back.

    Would I have been happy with my iPhone if I hadn't discovered WP? Sure. So are millions of others. Nothing wrong with using what works for you. Although I enjoyed the iPhone, I did get kinda tired of Apple's pricing politics (let's be honest, the hardware is overpriced for what it is) and paying for the "image". The iPhone has sort of become a status symbol in many parts.

    Well, I could give a rat's *** about status symbols...I just go with what works for me. I'm the only one I have to please. That's the attitude everyone should have. The iPhone worked for me for a long time. Then I discovered that WP worked better for me. Simple as that. That's the way you should think, too. Go with what works for you. Be it an iPhone or WP7.
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    11-08-2011 01:23 PM
  14. N8ter's Avatar
    He's right about Zune. It splits albums even from the Zune marketplace at times and the only way to fix it is with windows media player. He's also right about iTunes and the missing album art. I'm experiencing that in this device right now.

    However with ios5 you don't need Zune forbid evinces except to shovel stuff from the pc to the phone. Updates etc. are all ota now.

    The iPhone hardware does have a premium feel to it that you don't get with anything except a few nokias and a blackberry bold. Storage is a huge issue on wp. Apps and games are an issue as well.

    As far as apple stealing features Microsoft stole social hub from touch wiz and literally all the new mango features for it existed on Samsung phones before wp7. No one cares where the features are from, only that it enhances the usability of the device they own.

    Software wise it's mostly preference as to which is you prefer. Hardware wise it's not much of a competition.


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    11-08-2011 01:33 PM
  15. N8ter's Avatar
    If you're into the music that much, have you tried the Zune Pass? I use my ZHD more for podcasts. I don't have but 100 or so songs on it. So for me, the Zune Pass is a cost that I don't want. I only buy a song here and there. being able to stream your music would cut down on your memory requirements.
    And blow your data requirements out of the water since the average streamed song of Zune pass is about 3.5 mb or so. If you stream for 2 hours that can be over 120mb of data that session just for the music. Let's say you keep a bit of music on your phone so smart dj doesn't stream everything. That's 3-3.5 gb a month of 2 hour a day streaming, well over 2gb so you can not stream for a week in there and still almost cap your plan just with the streaming.

    On a 2gb Verizon or AT&T data plan you do the math.

    Sprint and tmobile have decent data plans but their coverage isn't as good and with such high etf fees its harder than ever for many people to just up and switch.

    Obviously you can mitigate that with wifi but I think the point is clear. Same goes to offloading videos to fb and YouTube to save space. Those are even bigger than music files. High megapixel images downloaded off the web add up quite a bit as well (at around 1mb or so per image).

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    Last edited by N8ter; 11-08-2011 at 01:46 PM.
    11-08-2011 01:37 PM
  16. mmaman's Avatar
    I had an iPhone for the longest time. Was pretty happy with it. But when I tried out WP7 in a T-Mobile shop last December, I realized this was something groundbreaking. I was expecting something similar to WM 6.5, but was surprised by what I experienced. I made the leap of faith and never looked back.

    Would I have been happy with my iPhone if I hadn't discovered WP? Sure. So are millions of others. Nothing wrong with using what works for you. Although I enjoyed the iPhone, I did get kinda tired of Apple's pricing politics (let's be honest, the hardware is overpriced for what it is) and paying for the "image". The iPhone has sort of become a status symbol in many parts.

    Well, I could give a rat's *** about status symbols...I just go with what works for me. I'm the only one I have to please. That's the attitude everyone should have. The iPhone worked for me for a long time. Then I discovered that WP worked better for me. Simple as that. That's the way you should think, too. Go with what works for you. Be it an iPhone or WP7.
    He's right about Zune. It splits albums even from the Zune marketplace at times and the only way to fix it is with windows media player. He's also right about iTunes and the missing album art. I'm experiencing that in this device right now.

    However with ios5 you don't need Zune forbid evinces except to shovel stuff from the pc to the phone. Updates etc. are all ota now.

    The iPhone hardware does have a premium feel to it that you don't get with anything except a few nokias and a blackberry bold. Storage is a huge issue on wp. Apps and games are an issue as well.

    As far as apple stealing features Microsoft stole social hub from touch wiz and literally all the new mango features for it existed on Samsung phones before wp7. No one cares where the features are from, only that it enhances the usability of the device they own.

    Software wise it's mostly preference as to which is you prefer. Hardware wise it's not much of a competition.


    Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk
    Thank you guys! THIS is the attitude I think everyone should have.
    11-08-2011 01:39 PM
  17. mmaman's Avatar
    Storage capacity is reasonable concern. I would like to store more videos to my HD7, but it's not going to happen. . . for the time being. Regarding the Titan, have you held one yet? I actually think it's more comfortable to hold than my HD7. It's noticeably thinner and feels a lot more comfortable in my pocket (too comfortable as I didn't want to take it back out :D).
    As soon as the titan hits ATT im checking out, If I really like it, it may just be my next phone! I just cant get that impression the wp ui left on me out of my head, its brilliant! Combined with the titans awesome hardware its near perfect, just some things here and there with the memory being the most prevalant for me.
    11-08-2011 01:42 PM
  18. Big Supes's Avatar
    As soon as the titan hits ATT im checking out, If I really like it, it may just be my next phone! I just cant get that impression the wp ui left on me out of my head, its brilliant!
    This was the bottom line for me. Sure, there were a couple of apps I missed (which have now arrived at WPMP), but overall, I knew I would have more enjoyment, more like "pleasure" from the WP UI, on a daily basis.

    Combined with the titans awesome hardware its near perfect, just some things here and there with the memory being the most prevalant for me.
    I guess, it's really a matter of prioritising, at this stage. Personally, I can settle for the crisp OS and user experience over a few videos that I wouldn't mind storing. It's really just a case of working around it until Apollo (more than likely). Once you get on board, you'll probably realise that the sacrifice was worth it. ;)
    11-08-2011 01:52 PM
  19. power5's Avatar
    Nothing touches the build quality of any apple product. Laptops are above and beyond any other laptop I have held. Almost every single other laptop is plastic and "squishes" much more when I pick it up by grabbing the palm rest area. The phones have 0 competition in my eyes. I have held a few other phones, none of the newest on the market though.

    Besides hating Job's ethical tactics, and somehow legal monopoly tactics, and their gross manipulation of the US patent laws, I do not like itunes. Its painfully slow on my top tier win7 desktop. The syncing BS pisses me off every time I have to sync. "This will erase all content on your phone, are you sure you want to continue?" Uhhh, I am not sure. Backup, now lets try this again. Whew no problems. Why can't I sync to any computer I own when I want? Why only 1?

    Those concerns however would not sway my decision to get an iphone unfortunately. Materials are top of the heap. It feels like a $700 device in your hand. 95% of the OS and apps just work the way you would expect them to. I do not use many apps which is why I am not scared to leave iOS. As long as I can find the apps to do what I need, I am good. Media streaming over the net with on the fly transcoding is the number 1 app that I must be able to have. I am not converting 2tb of movies to 800x480 in whatever format windows needs. Just like I did not convert them to ipod size mp4. Most of my movies are in mkv format and 720p.

    Last good thing about getting an iphone for another year is that you can sell it for the same price almost. Especially if you unlock it and JB it.
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    11-08-2011 01:57 PM
  20. aubreyq's Avatar
    Nothing touches the build quality of any apple product. Laptops are above and beyond any other laptop I have held. Almost every single other laptop is plastic and "squishes" much more when I pick it up by grabbing the palm rest area. The phones have 0 competition in my eyes. I have held a few other phones, none of the newest on the market though.

    Besides hating Job's ethical tactics, and somehow legal monopoly tactics, and their gross manipulation of the US patent laws, I do not like itunes. Its painfully slow on my top tier win7 desktop. The syncing BS pisses me off every time I have to sync. "This will erase all content on your phone, are you sure you want to continue?" Uhhh, I am not sure. Backup, now lets try this again. Whew no problems. Why can't I sync to any computer I own when I want? Why only 1?

    Those concerns however would not sway my decision to get an iphone unfortunately. Materials are top of the heap. It feels like a $700 device in your hand. 95% of the OS and apps just work the way you would expect them to. I do not use many apps which is why I am not scared to leave iOS. As long as I can find the apps to do what I need, I am good. Media streaming over the net with on the fly transcoding is the number 1 app that I must be able to have. I am not converting 2tb of movies to 800x480 in whatever format windows needs. Just like I did not convert them to ipod size mp4. Most of my movies are in mkv format and 720p.

    Last good thing about getting an iphone for another year is that you can sell it for the same price almost. Especially if you unlock it and JB it.
    Agree on all points.
    11-08-2011 02:01 PM
  21. mmaman's Avatar
    Nothing touches the build quality of any apple product. Laptops are above and beyond any other laptop I have held. Almost every single other laptop is plastic and "squishes" much more when I pick it up by grabbing the palm rest area. The phones have 0 competition in my eyes. I have held a few other phones, none of the newest on the market though.

    Besides hating Job's ethical tactics, and somehow legal monopoly tactics, and their gross manipulation of the US patent laws, I do not like itunes. Its painfully slow on my top tier win7 desktop. The syncing BS pisses me off every time I have to sync. "This will erase all content on your phone, are you sure you want to continue?" Uhhh, I am not sure. Backup, now lets try this again. Whew no problems. Why can't I sync to any computer I own when I want? Why only 1?

    Those concerns however would not sway my decision to get an iphone unfortunately. Materials are top of the heap. It feels like a $700 device in your hand. 95% of the OS and apps just work the way you would expect them to. I do not use many apps which is why I am not scared to leave iOS. As long as I can find the apps to do what I need, I am good. Media streaming over the net with on the fly transcoding is the number 1 app that I must be able to have. I am not converting 2tb of movies to 800x480 in whatever format windows needs. Just like I did not convert them to ipod size mp4. Most of my movies are in mkv format and 720p.

    Last good thing about getting an iphone for another year is that you can sell it for the same price almost. Especially if you unlock it and JB it.
    I gotta say the Titan looks fantastic build quality wise. I see you say that its your next phone, can you give your thoughts on that? And yes Itunes and its syncing/back ups annoy me to no end!
    11-08-2011 02:04 PM
  22. mmaman's Avatar
    This was the bottom line for me. Sure, there were a couple of apps I missed (which have now arrived at WPMP), but overall, I knew I would have more enjoyment, more like "pleasure" from the WP UI, on a daily basis.



    I guess, it's really a matter of prioritising, at this stage. Personally, I can settle for the crisp OS and user experience over a few videos that I wouldn't mind storing. It's really just a case of working around it until Apollo (more than likely). Once you get on board, you'll probably realise that the sacrifice was worth it. ;)
    I gotta say that last part you said might be key, once I get it I might realize that the UI is what truly makes it, and I might forget about having 32gb's and what not, especially if I cut down and manage my tracks into playlists.
    11-08-2011 02:07 PM
  23. Big Supes's Avatar
    I gotta say that last part you said might be key, once I get it I might realize that the UI is what truly makes it, and I might forget about having 32gb's and what not, especially if I cut down and manage my tracks into playlists.
    I'm extremely picky when it comes down to music. I can't have albums that have surplus tracks that I don't listen to stored to the phone. I find the heart concept works wonders in Zune. You simply mark the track you don't like with a cracked heart and set Zune up to eliminate all songs (when synchronising) that you've fallen out of love with; saves space and save constant flicking! :)

    Regarding the Titan. I can vouch for the build quality. It feels like a premium piece of kit. I'm interested in getting my hands on a Nokia next!
    11-08-2011 02:20 PM
  24. power5's Avatar
    I am tired of zooming in on everything I do on the iPhone internet. Not sure why iphone users claim that the resolution makes the text clear at that size. Yes, its clear. I still can not read it comfortably without zooming in. Until I hold a Titan I will not be able to comment on quality. I have cut a size sample though and I am 100% confident its not TOO big.
    11-08-2011 02:24 PM
  25. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I bough a iPod Touch 4th gen because I was having iOS withdrawals after trading my iP4. But after about a week with it, I remembered why I traded it for my Focus. The screen is too small and most of the apps I used, were already on my Focus. I do give iOS props for the nice new notification center, but it wasn't enough. I put the iPod Touch up for sale on eBay. The rows of icons layout has seriously seen better days.
    I gotta say that last part you said might be key, once I get it I might realize that the UI is what truly makes it, and I might forget about having 32gb's and what not, especially if I cut down and manage my tracks into playlists.
    11-08-2011 02:33 PM
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