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  1. N8ter's Avatar
    I meant pockets post. This board express program is terrible and will not allow me to scroll the text box to edit that in.

    And you can think I'm a fan all you want. I use the same screen name on here xda and crackberry. Check the vibrant forums and you'll see I'm equally critical of all the platforms I've used extensively.

    All three communities think im a hater which is more than fine with me. Mostly because I'm very critical of all those platforms.

    I don't pay (buy devices) to praise. I pay to judge and judges exist to deduct not add points. If more people did then perhaps some of these idiotic changes like defacing ie mobile wouldn't have gone live.

    Cell purchases are always comparative. Assuming the averaged rep will let the average consumer leave the stores with a wp without pitching them android or iOS devices is not intelligent. I go to carrier stores all the time and even with two phones on me in plain view, they still do it.

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    11-18-2011 02:55 AM
  2. theefman's Avatar
    Its sub par and Android and IOS are better. I use them all every day and you don't have to be a fan of anything to see what's obvious. I'm way more productive on those devices than on WP and the hardware is clearly superior. That's what matters. Looks are secondary.

    Saying an OS doesn't need more than its given doesn't make the hardware less bad, so I'm wondering when people will stop using that excuse. Nexus s was the reference phone for Android and it is single core with 512 Mb RAM. Android does not "need" uber specs to run, but why would you "upgrade" to a phone whose hardware is at best marginally better than what yo have. To support the cause? Or maybe cause wave one devices were crippled in design to accommodate a beta OS which didn't have support for relatively commodity hardware when it was released?

    Thx but nothx. Even apple new better than to just *** a few hundred MHz clock speed. People with a clue know there's more to processor quality than raw **** speed and dual cored have not so obvious benefits that you don't get with a single core.

    Nevermind those GPUs Re terrible by today's standards.

    And I was urged to post mostly by the disgusting last sentence in your post. I wish you would, too.

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    To you, everything about WP7 is sub par. Even though Pocket_Fuzz detailed how he uses different functions on his phone at the same time you dismiss it and claim android and ios are better, flawless and make the world a better place. And seeing as you say buying a WP7 isnt intelligent, why do you use it?

    Android and ios are sub par to me because they dont have Xbox live, native access to Skydrive or Office but you dont see me going to those fan sites and moaning about it all day long.
    11-18-2011 06:25 AM
  3. N8ter's Avatar
    Don't put words in my mouth. I said assuning customers don't contrast the platforn befire making a purchase isn't intelligent.

    Its there in plain english, yet you feel the need to twist my own words in reaponse to. Me.

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    11-18-2011 06:31 AM
  4. N8ter's Avatar
    To you, everything about WP7 is sub par. Even though Pocket_Fuzz detailed how he uses different functions on his phone at the same time you dismiss it and claim android and ios are better, flawless and make the world a better place. And seeing as you say buying a WP7 isnt intelligent, why do you use it?

    Android and ios are sub par to me because they dont have Xbox live, native access to Skydrive or Office but you dont see me going to those fan sites and moaning about it all day long.
    Services are services. That's a bad way to choose a platform because they are easily accessible otherwise, barring XBL. Native is. Cute modifier to use to rule out the competition by default though.

    There are office suites with cloud storage on all platforms. All OEM android phones cone with a third party suite, and Google Docs offers cloud storage. That means Microsoft has to compete on the merit of the actual apps, And Office Mobile is anemic compared to the top third party offerings. Productivity does matter.

    OneNote is a win against Android, but Microsoft released it for iOS for free.

    iOS has Game Center which has pretty much achieved feature parity with XBL. Both iOS and Android have more apps and better games.

    Microsoft services are.decent. theybarent good enough to buy a phone based in three services that arw half baked into the phone and keep in mind I got my HD7 almost a year before that stuff existed. All platforms and companies are pretty matches when it comes to services now.

    This thread is about (dis)advantages of Mango.

    Quote me where ibsaidbandroid or iOS is flawless. Better != faultless. It simply means better. However.I'm sorry saying that crushes your feelings.

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    11-18-2011 06:43 AM
  5. theefman's Avatar
    11-18-2011 06:45 AM
  6. Big Supes's Avatar
    Its sub par and Android and IOS are better. I use them all every day and you don't have to be a fan of anything to see what's obvious. I'm way more productive on those devices than on WP and the hardware is clearly superior. That's what matters. Looks are secondary.
    Could you elaborate on how you are way more productive? On both the iPhone and especially Android, I find I am less productive throughout my day as I have to navigate through numerous screens and apps to get what I want. On WP it's mostly there on the start screen.

    Saying an OS doesn't need more than its given doesn't make the hardware less bad
    But, it's never said in as an attack. It's qualifying WP current need (lack of) for big memory and dual-cores.

    so I'm wondering when people will stop using that excuse.
    I guess it'll be when people stop creating problems for the platform that don't exist.

    Nexus s was the reference phone for Android and it is single core with 512 Mb RAM. Android does not "need" uber specs to run
    I, and many others who have used Android disagree with this, flat out. Android is renowned for lag and system reboots.

    , but why would you "upgrade" to a phone whose hardware is at best marginally better than what yo have. To support the cause? Or maybe cause wave one devices were crippled in design to accommodate a beta OS which didn't have support for relatively commodity hardware when it was released?
    Or maybe it's simply to add required lifting power that the previous handsets missed.

    Thx but nothx.
    Be seeing you. :)
    11-18-2011 06:46 AM
  7. N8ter's Avatar
    Could you elaborate on how you are way more productive? On both the iPhone and especially Android, I find I am less productive throughout my day as I have to navigate through numerous screens and apps to get what I want. On WP it's mostly there on the start screen.



    But, it's never said in as an attack. It's qualifying WP current need (lack of) for big memory and dual-cores.



    I guess it'll be when people stop creating problems for the platform that don't exist.



    I, and many others who have used Android disagree with this, flat out. Android is renowned for lag and system reboots.



    Or maybe it's simply to add required lifting power that the previous handsets missed.



    Be seeing you. :)
    1. Those OSes have capabilities I need that WP doesn't. The inability to send video out from the phone being one of them. Lack of BT file transfer and notnhaving Sony's frame grabber app for video.

    2. I think that bears defining what an attack is. It is defined oddly on certain forums.

    3. I forgot the problems don't exist because WorksForMe™

    4. If I said I and many others who used WP agree its subpar and its reknown for looking like a chalk board with nice handwriting on bit yous take that as seriously as I took that statement from you.

    Some Android handsets were underclocked 800 MHz and ran fine. G2, e.g.

    5. Cause a gyro is lifting power. And a FFC... lol. No Its cause the OS obviously didn't support the HW. Windows phone is still NT. Under thatbpretty face is the same OS that was Windows Mobile core (the same one that made them cripple the HD2 to run it, albeit updated now). They still have lots of work to do there, but migrating to NT may help them a lot in that area. Time will tell.


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    11-18-2011 06:59 AM
  8. N8ter's Avatar
    Admittedly poor battery life with no accessible battery is not business ready, when battery saver shuts off push email and all your background services.

    However, I'm sure Nokia will release a better phone quite soon.

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    11-18-2011 07:06 AM
  9. N8ter's Avatar
    And why the name calling?

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    11-18-2011 07:06 AM
  10. Big Supes's Avatar
    1.The inability to send video out from the phone being one of them.
    This would be nice, I agree. But, having said that, it wouldn't make my day anymore productive.

    Lack of BT file transfer and notnhaving Sony's frame grabber app for video.
    BT file transfer works just fine for me and specific apps don't really qualify as a knock on the OS against iOS and droid.

    2. I think that bears defining what an attack is. It is defined oddly on certain forums.
    Definition is irrelevant. It's said 'in response' to claims that it needed it.

    3. I forgot the problems don't exist because WorksForMe™
    And this is in relation to what exactly?


    4. If I said I and many others who used WP agree its subpar
    Well, you've already said it's sub-par, yourself, to which you're having a hard time substantiating.

    its reknown for looking like a chalk board with nice handwriting on bit yous take that as seriously as I took that statement from you.
    That would be merely an opinion. What I said is recognised throughout the industry. But, hey, if you can't deal with that fact and wish to play 'semantics', that's fine. Weak gravy.


    Some Android handsets were underclocked 800 MHz and ran fine. G2, e.g.
    Coming from someone who in their last breath said: "People with a clue know there's more to processor quality than raw **** speed."

    Suuurre.

    5. Cause a gyro is lifting power. And a FFC... lol. No Its cause the OS obviously didn't support the HW.
    Yes, and I also hear the price of fish has gone up. El oh el.

    FFS. *sigh*
    11-18-2011 07:30 AM
  11. theefman's Avatar
    Seriously, give it up. You are always posting negative things about WP7, not once have you had anything positive to say, but always how much of a chore it is for you to use WP7 and how android and ios are better. No one here will say WP7 is perfect but in your eyes its good for absolutely nothing and ALWAYS comes in a poor alternative to your preferred OS's, to the point you now claim ios game center is on par with Xbox Live on WP7.

    So why not just move on? Why come to another forum (from XDA) just to spread more negativity about WP7? You dont engage in any conversation that shares how people enjoy using it, or post help with solutions for those with problems, you are only in those discussions which discuss its deficiencies (which are present in all OS's, but you choose to focus on those in WP7) you obviously dont enjoy it, dont like it, only post negative things about it. Even those who have issues with missing feature still mangage to express appreciation for the OS while hoping for improvements, and can still enjoy it.

    I'm not sure but this sounds like the actions of a certain fairy tale creature that dwells under a bridge, but maybe I'm mistaken?
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    11-18-2011 07:37 AM
  12. ryude's Avatar
    He's not negative, you guys just hate anyone who says anything that isn't completely glorifying the windows phone. This community is one of the reasons why I am dying to get away from windows phone, you are completely happy with a subpar OS and that doesn't bode well with how MS will choose to update it.
    11-18-2011 08:03 AM
  13. Big Supes's Avatar
    We can all constructively criticise the platform, but the 3 of you are just out to bang on about how it's not like the Droid. It's just the same old **** that people are tired with.
    11-18-2011 08:11 AM
  14. jeffa00's Avatar
    It has a LOT to do with their multitasking functionality. Part of Apple's UI design guides require a back button in the application design, which generally makes Android and iOS multitasking very similar*. Per application. Not across the entire user experience.

    If the government really wanted data easily, they should of banned VPNs alltogether, lol. But going after RIM = RIM not even in the books for where I work.


    * relative to WP7. Dunno about WebOS.
    WebOS was true multitasking. Drained the battery like a mofo, but you could run as many apps as you wanted. Card metaphor for managing them was sweet too. Mango's switching is like an early beta version of WebOS' cards. Even though I have an HTC Trophy (which works for most stuff), I keep my Palm Pre2 around in WiFi mode for listening to podcasts. Mango is *better* for listening to podcasts than nodo, but still nowhere near as good as webos. Dr. Podder and Stitcher rock on there. At least Stitcher is coming to WP7.
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    11-18-2011 08:25 AM
  15. ryude's Avatar
    We can all constructively criticise the platform, but the 3 of you are just out to bang on about how it's not like the Droid. It's just the same old **** that people are tired with.
    It's BECAUSE we care about WP7 that we criticize it so harshly, we want to see it grow and exceed expectations. If another OS has a feature that I want, why should windows phone not have it too? Doesn't mean I want to use that OS, but I want the features/apps that it has.
    11-18-2011 10:37 AM
  16. jeremyshaw's Avatar
    It's BECAUSE we care about WP7 that we criticize it so harshly, we want to see it grow and exceed expectations. If another OS has a feature that I want, why should windows phone not have it too? Doesn't mean I want to use that OS, but I want the features/apps that it has.
    Submit it to MS, then. We can criticise an OS without attacking it.

    Seriously, people, don't act like conspiracy theorists. We all aren't out try to "get you," or anything.
    11-18-2011 10:44 AM
  17. Pronk's Avatar
    He's not negative, you guys just hate anyone who says anything that isn't completely glorifying the windows phone. This community is one of the reasons why I am dying to get away from windows phone, you are completely happy with a subpar OS and that doesn't bode well with how MS will choose to update it.
    To be fair to most people on here, that's not true. I'm harsher than most on WP7 even though I like it a great deal because I tend to be picky about everything (a knock-on of mild OCD - you should see how well organised my cutlery drawer is!), and I tend not to let people slag off iOS/Apple unjustifiably because I'm a more than happy iPad/iMac owner too, but I don't get grief for it. Sure there are one or two hardcore MS fans who won't hear a word against the format, but you get fanboys anywhere.

    On the whole this forum is remarkably open, and I think most people accept that WP7 still has ground to make up in a few areas. But at the same time, it's also already equalling and in some cases bettering the other OSs on the market.
    11-18-2011 10:49 AM
  18. jeremyshaw's Avatar
    To be fair to most people on here, that's not true. I'm harsher than most on WP7 even though I like it a great deal because I tend to be picky about everything (a knock-on of mild OCD - you should see how well organised my cutlery drawer is!), and I tend not to let people slag off iOS/Apple unjustifiably because I'm a more than happy iPad/iMac owner too, but I don't get grief for it. Sure there are one or two hardcore MS fans who won't hear a word against the format, but you get fanboys anywhere.

    On the whole this forum is remarkably open, and I think most people accept that WP7 still has ground to make up in a few areas. But at the same time, it's also already equalling and in some cases bettering the other OSs on the market.
    pics!! I always fear my cultry drawer is gonna lose me a finger or something :(


    Yeah, I'm getting the feeling it's just people who are always used to xda devs flame wars, and just insta-react to anyone who even slightly counters them :P
    11-18-2011 10:54 AM
  19. Big Supes's Avatar
    It's BECAUSE we care about WP7 that we criticize it so harshly, we want to see it grow and exceed expectations. If another OS has a feature that I want, why should windows phone not have it too? Doesn't mean I want to use that OS, but I want the features/apps that it has.
    Playing the victim card doesn't work. I've seen numerous posts of yours that clearly go out of the way to bash. Not criticise for the bigger picture (because you care). It's just bashing.

    I'm all about objectivity. Most of the time, people's choices boil down to personal taste and lifestyle, to which you can't really argue with. I only challenge those (most of the time - obvious Android fanboys) who overlook and slate the WP7 concept because they're fixated with their favourite platform.
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    11-18-2011 11:02 AM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    He's not negative, you guys just hate anyone who says anything that isn't completely glorifying the windows phone. This community is one of the reasons why I am dying to get away from windows phone, you are completely happy with a subpar OS and that doesn't bode well with how MS will choose to update it.
    Here we go again with WP7 being subpar, yet all the issues with android with malware, poor performance in all but the highest spec devices, lack of updates is brushed aside because they can boast of multiple core and high res screen devices. Guaranteed when MS releases the Xbox companion app for WP7 and its brought up as a positive for WP7, it will be dismissed because "I dont use xbox, dont care", etc. Thats the double standard that WP7 haters adhere to when a feature of WP7 is shown to be better than on competing OS's.

    And really, this community being happy with a subpar OS? On the contrary, we are happy with the OS AND the fact that its being improved. If we had the attitude you say none of us would have upgraded to Mango. Interesting how you try to assign our satisfaction with WP7 as an influencing factor on how MS would update WP7, makes perfect sense. Its not as though I havent been tweeting to Joe Belfiore and Brandon Watson on things like no backup, no BT audio with videos, missing Facebook updates. No, its down to forum posts here that would determine MS's WP7 strategy because we are all happy WP7 users. /stepford smile

    And if this community has such a negative effect on you, best to move on to one that agrees with you.
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    11-18-2011 11:40 AM
  21. ryude's Avatar
    Playing the victim card doesn't work. I've seen numerous posts of yours that clearly go out of the way to bash. Not criticise for the bigger picture (because you care). It's just bashing.

    I'm all about objectivity. Most of the time, people's choices boil down to personal taste and lifestyle, to which you can't really argue with. I only challenge those (most of the time - obvious Android fanboys) who overlook and slate the WP7 concept because they're fixated with their favourite platform.
    You've seen numerous posts of mine bash you, because you're the worst fanboy on this forum.

    BTW, since so many of you want me gone. I'm never posting here again.
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    11-18-2011 12:29 PM
  22. Big Supes's Avatar
    You've seen numerous posts of mine bash you
    Aww, are you sure you want to continue with this little white lie of yours? Every time I've pulled you up one of your comments (because you care), you've never come back to me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to post these hurtful posts though. ;)

    because you're the worst fanboy on this forum.
    In the context of 'fanboys', that must make me "the best". Thanks! :)

    BTW, since so many of you want me gone. I'm never posting here again.
    Shame. I thought we could have been friends.
    11-18-2011 01:02 PM
  23. theefman's Avatar


    In the context of 'fanboys', that must make me "the best". Thanks! :)


    Nope, that would be me. Suffered though the DVP nightmare while you were cuddling with your HD7 and still came out the other side a WP7 fan. Yay me! :D
    11-18-2011 02:28 PM
  24. Big Supes's Avatar
    Nope, that would be me. Suffered though the DVP nightmare while you were cuddling with your HD7 and still came out the other side a WP7 fan. Yay me! :D
    Whoaw. *bows respectfully* You, sir, deserve it! :D
    11-18-2011 02:56 PM
  25. dtboos's Avatar
    He's not negative, you guys just hate anyone who says anything that isn't completely glorifying the windows phone. This community is one of the reasons why I am dying to get away from windows phone, you are completely happy with a subpar OS and that doesn't bode well with how MS will choose to update it.
    Yes he is. I have many things I want to see added to the platform, and have many critiques of things not yet implemented, and I am a huge WP fan. N8ter literally only *****es, and its tiresome. Go to the xda forums and look up his posts. He clearly hates the platform, says he is 'not a fan' yet continues to use it and post about it day in and day out.

    There is a big difference in using a platform you like, seeing its faults and trying to discuss how it could be better, and using something you hate and making sure everybody knows why it sucks.

    *edit* thanks theefman!
    Last edited by dtboos; 11-18-2011 at 03:31 PM.
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