11-25-2011 10:46 PM
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  1. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    Apparently windows phone users don't really use a smartphone as a smartphone, they just like the pretty UI and smooth scrolling.
    A smartphone is a device between dumbphone and desktop computer. Apparently, Windows Phone users use their smartphones exactly as intended, while others want their smartphones to be tiny desktop computers.

    I would argue power users should realize they are a very, very small percentage of the overall smartphone user base (look at all the iPhone users) and stop complaining about how the average smartphone lacks features the vast majority of users are never going to use.
    11-18-2011 09:16 AM
  2. Pronk's Avatar
    I would argue power users should realize they are a very, very small percentage of the overall smartphone user base (look at all the iPhone users) and stop complaining about how the average smartphone lacks features the vast majority of users are never going to use.
    This. The no. 1 argument I get with Android-owning friends both now and when I had an iPhone is "oh, it's a closed system - Android is open". Yes, and? iOS has better apps, WP7 runs better with much less draconian hardware needs, and both have support levels/longevity that Android owners can only dream of.

    All that that openness seems to count for (assuming your carrier/manufacturer lets you root your phone in the first place, otherwise you're stuck with all their preloaded crud and links to walled gardens) is a lack of cohesive design and a requirement to endlessly twiddle with settings/task killers/launchers/replacement core apps to try and get the most out of your device because the software maker and the hardware maker have already moved on to their next phone and don't support your one anymore.

    Most people just want their phone to run the apps they need and run them well. End of story.
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    11-18-2011 09:27 AM
  3. selfcreation's Avatar
    Apparently windows phone users don't really use a smartphone as a smartphone, they just like the pretty UI and smooth scrolling.
    yeap and 95% of Iphone users use it for the UI as well.....

    and 50% of people using Smartphone in general dont use it as a data phone.....


    3 years ago stores had 2-5 data phones and like 20 regular phones...
    now a days 20 Smartphone and 2-5 regular phones...

    so OBVIOUSLY allot of people are just following the trend.
    11-18-2011 09:55 AM
  4. jeremyshaw's Avatar
    What is this? I don't even....

    Then sell it and get a laggy, buggy android that will be outdated within a year because the newest version won't come to all phones. Better yet, go get an iPhone that will be outdated in 7 months because a new one will come out. It will be the same exact phone last version but they will add something silly and act like it's a whole new phone. How long has 4G been out and how long has the iPhone been out? How long did phones have cameras before the iPhone finally added one? How long was 3G out before the iPhone released a 3G model? Slowly adding features and making you pay premium dollar for technology that has existed for years.
    To be fair, the first iPhone had a camera :P
    11-18-2011 10:07 AM
  5. power5's Avatar
    What is this? I don't even....
    Better yet, go get an iPhone that will be outdated in 7 months because a new one will come out. It will be the same exact phone last version but they will add something silly and act like it's a whole new phone. How long has 4G been out and how long has the iPhone been out? How long did phones have cameras before the iPhone finally added one? How long was 3G out before the iPhone released a 3G model? Slowly adding features and making you pay premium dollar for technology that has existed for years.
    iPhones launch about every calendar year. Every other year for style changes, every year for hardware upgrades.
    iPhone had a camera on launch.
    iPhone had 2g on launch because 3g only had <7% of mobile market.
    iPhone has "4G" because the LTE antenna is just huge in most phones. Again, 4GLTE has very small market penetration still so no need in apples eyes to try to fit it into their phones yet.
    11-18-2011 10:09 AM
  6. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    Apparently windows phone users don't really use a smartphone as a smartphone, they just like the pretty UI and smooth scrolling.
    thats Android and iOS users u got that all wrong homes
    11-18-2011 11:03 AM
  7. jeremyshaw's Avatar
    thats Android and iOS users u got that all wrong homes
    you think it's jealousy? :P I certainly belive so, otherwise, as an iPod touch 4g and Moto Atrix (CM7 nightlies), I completely concurr. "Smooth" and "not stuttering," is NOT something I'd apply to either platform at the time.

    Though I also have an iPad 2 that's smoother than my iPod Touch 4G, so my guess is the 256MB of RAM in my poor little iPod Touch is now a limitation :(
    11-18-2011 11:13 AM
  8. Big Supes's Avatar
    To be fair, the first iPhone had a camera :P
    Barely! I had seen better sketches from my 10 year daughter. :P
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    11-18-2011 11:17 AM
  9. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    you think it's jealousy? :P I certainly belive so, otherwise, as an iPod touch 4g and Moto Atrix (CM7 nightlies), I completely concurr. "Smooth" and "not stuttering," is NOT something I'd apply to either platform at the time.

    Though I also have an iPad 2 that's smoother than my iPod Touch 4G, so my guess is the 256MB of RAM in my poor little iPod Touch is now a limitation :(
    I was referring to Android and iOS users loving to flash around all their pretty icons and fisher price interface.
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    11-18-2011 11:17 AM
  10. Big Supes's Avatar
    i was referring to android and ios users loving to flash around all their pretty icons and fisher price interface.
    pmsl. :D
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    11-18-2011 11:19 AM
  11. Big Supes's Avatar
    Android really does feels like a handheld PC, but a really crap one at that.
    11-18-2011 11:23 AM
  12. naplesbill's Avatar
    Android really does feels like a handheld PC, but a really crap one at that.
    Yes, kind of like a Windows 95 machine with a Vista overlay that is only half finished.
    11-18-2011 11:26 AM
  13. jfa1's Avatar
    pmsl. :D
    I think that fissher price might feel insulted!
    11-18-2011 11:28 AM
  14. selfcreation's Avatar
    Android really does feels like a handheld PC, but a really crap one at that.
    if thats true might as well go all out: Android Windows 7 Theme & Wallpapers [Tech Themes] | VikiTech.com

    hehe
    11-18-2011 11:30 AM
  15. Big Supes's Avatar
    Yes, kind of like a Windows 95 machine with a Vista overlay that is only half finished.
    This is it. It was sin_nombre773's post that made me chuckle, but turned a light on. "A crap PC" actually nails down my feelings towards Android. I mean, each to their own, but I know I wouldn't last a week with one.
    11-18-2011 11:34 AM
  16. Big Supes's Avatar
    I think that fissher price might feel insulted!
    HA! And, quite rightly so!

    if thats true might as well go all out: Android Windows 7 Theme & Wallpapers [Tech Themes] | VikiTech.com

    hehe
    Good lord! I'd be afraid to open my laptop in public! :P
    11-18-2011 11:42 AM
  17. agm353's Avatar
    Well just remember, iPhones are straight jackets, Androids are open hills and Windows Phone is like the limited government in between.
    11-18-2011 10:45 PM
  18. trivor's Avatar
    Why do you need to turn off BT and wifi?

    I leave mine on 24x7 and haven't noticed any less battery life than when they are off. I know some OSs require you to turn everything off all the time but I don't really think you need to here.
    Huge battery life difference on every other phone I've ever owned as regards BT, no big deal on WiFi.
    11-19-2011 05:28 AM
  19. condemned's Avatar
    What is this? I don't even....

    Then sell it and get a laggy, buggy android that will be outdated within a year because the newest version won't come to all phones. Better yet, go get an iPhone that will be outdated in 7 months because a new one will come out. It will be the same exact phone last version but they will add something silly and act like it's a whole new phone. How long has 4G been out and how long has the iPhone been out? How long did phones have cameras before the iPhone finally added one? How long was 3G out before the iPhone released a 3G model? Slowly adding features and making you pay premium dollar for technology that has existed for years.
    You sound butthurt.

    Android phones nowadays have dual core processors and most have at least a year until manufacturers stop supporting them.

    Then again, manufacturers are now allowing their phones bootloaders to be unlocked you can update them with custom ROMs as they get released.

    Ex. The Nexus One that came out nearly 2 years ago can run Gingerbread ROMs smoothly. Check YouTube for proof.

    Android isn't laggy. If it was most of us would've ditched it. And every OS lags at some points. When I had my HD7 not long ago, the YouTube app it came with was slow and choppy. So were a lot of apps in the market.
    11-19-2011 09:57 AM
  20. Major's Avatar
    Android requires much more processing power to run effectively, relative to WP7, and even iOS. I don't think anyone would dispute that.
    11-19-2011 10:49 AM
  21. sloppy standard's Avatar
    Android really does feels like a handheld PC, but a really crap one at that.
    You see that guy on Colbert the other night who made his own toaster from scratch? That pretty summed up my one year experience with Android.
    11-19-2011 11:12 AM
  22. naplesbill's Avatar
    You sound butthurt.

    Android phones nowadays have dual core processors and most have at least a year until manufacturers stop supporting them.

    Then again, manufacturers are now allowing their phones bootloaders to be unlocked you can update them with custom ROMs as they get released.

    Ex. The Nexus One that came out nearly 2 years ago can run Gingerbread ROMs smoothly. Check YouTube for proof.

    Android isn't laggy. If it was most of us would've ditched it. And every OS lags at some points. When I had my HD7 not long ago, the YouTube app it came with was slow and choppy. So were a lot of apps in the market.
    Honestly, you sound more butthurt than anyone.

    Android is laggy! This is not a debate, but an easily researched reality. This is a major reason for running a custom rom, to HELP alleviate the lagginess. The custom roms eliminate some services to help reduce the lag. The real problem is not that simple. The lagginess stems from the fact that the UI is not hardware accellerated. WP7 and iOS both HW accellerate their UI elements. Because of this, WP7 and iOS perform better on less hardware. ICS (or Android 4.0) is supposed to alleviate this missing optimization. We shall see.

    With Android, you NEED more hardware. This is a simple truth. Nothing you, or I, or anyone else here says will change that. It is poorly optimized in many aspects. Is this the end of the world for Android? No, it is just the reason why it feels laggy. How often it feels this way is largely dependent on how one uses an Android device. Certain areas are more laggy than others.

    IMO, WP7 does not need custom roms. The ability to sideload apps is already accomplished.

    Saying an app is laggy is one thing, with Android it is the UI as a whole that is laggy.

    Before you make any statements about me being a fanboy, here is a list of devices I have had this year:

    Personal:
    Samsung Focus
    SE Xperia X10
    Motorola Atrix 4G
    HTC HD7s
    LG Thrill 4G
    Samsung Galaxy SII
    Focus Flash

    Work:
    Samsung Fascinate
    iPhone 4

    So, as you should be able to see, I have experienced these three platforms rather extensively. All the Android devices had lag at some level. The Thrill 4G and GSII were the least laggy of the Android devices. I also had custom ROMs on all the Android devices. So, OEM support may not be much of a concern to someone like me, but to the average user it is much more important. This is an area where Android is the worst of the three platforms.
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    11-19-2011 11:27 AM
  23. heda_p's Avatar
    excellent appreciate you sharing this....good for any newbee for a good start:)

    To add :


    Try GOT NEWS best implementation of metro interface, allow you to add your own RSS feeds, very well organized, after using this all other readers are kinda down feel....



    In what way? I use my phone to read and answer emails (three accounts, two linked), check various forums, facebook, twitter, read RSS feeds, act as a wireless access point for my wifi-only iPad when out and about, use maps to find my way around when off to meetings/out for a bike ride, track my runs with Runkeeper, use an app to track when my favourite tv shows are on, check the weather, organise pictures and send them on to my friends/relatives who live in other countries, check wikipedia because I'm a "need to know now" kind of chap, play the occasional game, listen to music, read PDF files for work, use office to check other work files, keep up with news via the BBC app, run auctions via eBay, keep myself organised with evernote syncing back to my iMac and iPad, keep up to date with interesting content in my field with Neurons, read the daily paper with the Guardian app and snag songs I don't recognise with Soundhound. Oh, and the other day I scanned a QR code on the side of a new car seat for my daughter with Bing Vision and it took me straight to a video about how to install it. All, in my case, on a phone I bought from eBay for the absurd price of 140.

    But yeah, you're right - it's *all* about the scrolling ;)
    11-19-2011 12:51 PM
  24. heda_p's Avatar
    I see others have already answered though wanted to share my exp for same issues in context with IOS: (just 4 days with first WP device and i am loving/hating it)

    1. Navigation try navigon it costs $50 but does exactly what TOM TOM does on IOS

    2. same as IOS everything in hidden under deep menus

    3. same as IOS

    4. my LG HBS700 just do fine for start/stop/skip/fwd music, though for video/TV playlist its not doing next/prev mostly because it allows fwd/rew in place of that (i would love to see a long press on fwd/rew cause it togo next song and support video playlist) Sonce most of my collection is music video's i just hate not to see this feature in WP7....

    But in car where I have car with external bluetooth adaptor (use line in, comes with remote) and a separae BT speaker, I was surprised to see music was playing on car sterio and when a call comes i was able to pick up on my BT speaker by just pressing a button on speaker

    this works fine where i see diff is in IOS that time music will stop when i pick call through BT speakerphone and after call music resumes to car stereo....this did not happen in wp7 and i had to pause manually with my BT adaptor remote...(this needs a fix) though using adaptor i was able to move to next video songs as well (Video was not displayed though only audio in you click next on BT adaptor remote)

    I am still exploring it, though i feel at this point i started music vis BT adaptor remore thats why it continued playing as audio playlist (even though its TV playlist)

    5. as mentioned before click on left phone icon (same steps as iphone)

    6. call volume is levelled from 1-10 while rest of the phone volume is 1-30, and it retains its value as well....while talking change the volume and stop call music will continue to play at old level

    7. I have yet to learn this one ...though all diff type of messages are in messages icon thus put that in top to see it....IOS does a better job here to display, WP7 does a better job in terms of keeping all diff type of messafges in one window....

    8. i want this one too...atleast allow it to change it upto 30 sec max


    1) Navigation - tap to navigate, no notification right before turn, map more outdated than google
    2) No one-touch toggle of BT, WiFi - even the app out there only takes you to the property page
    3) No notification LED (have to turn phone on to see if any notifications - I know this isn't on all android phones)
    4) No advanced BT options (turn on/off media/phone connection) - on android I can have it send phone calls through BT and all other media through phone speaker - this made it easy to take calls while driving and still listen to the radio or CD through car and navigation directions from phone speaker
    5) No one-touch calling - maybe I am just not doing something right
    6) No separate volume for ringer/other audio
    7) Notifications disappear after a while - so, if you miss them then you may never know a particular event happened
    8) Have option for screen to not timeout only when connected/charging via USB

    I'm a big MS fan, been an MVP and beta tester since 1994. I want to love this OS more than android, and I do as far as UI, smoothness, etc. But there are a few really basic things that are missing and just don't make sense to not be there. Is there any word on these things being rectified?

    I can hold out a couple more months, but definitely not another year or two.
    11-19-2011 01:24 PM
  25. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    Who wants to still listen to music while in a phone call? Especially while driving,that is so imprudent and it shouldn't be something to complain about.
    11-19-2011 03:04 PM
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