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11-22-2011 07:26 PM
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  1. cckgz4's Avatar
    This is worse than the android forums
    11-21-2011 01:38 AM
  2. Pronk's Avatar
    So...quad core is best then? :)
    11-21-2011 01:44 AM
  3. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    When I had Angry Birds on my HD7 it was smooth but playing it on my Sensation was smoother. Same with other games like Fruit Ninja.

    From what I've gathered, Microsoft has capped the fps on their games for whatever reason. They can always uncap it in an update. It's not like gaming is bad on it at all, but they should keep it uncapped just like iOS and Android do.
    the cap was removed in mango so now it's up to the game devs to take advantage of it. Once again u are misinformed
    11-21-2011 09:00 AM
  4. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    the cap was removed in mango so now it's up to the game devs to take advantage of it. Once again u are misinformed
    It's annoying that Microsoft can't even provide the update patches to the games that they tagged as "Microsoft X-Box Live Titles" to Mango. They made it sound so simple and that the 60fps comes "free out of the box" and that it's simply declaring in the manifest file (or w/e...don't remember of the top of my head, but I know it's basically a one-liner), yet they can't even update the apps and games that people will search for FIRST when using a WP7 device.

    The first games I looked for were Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds. After I started playing them it I was so upset. My wife's prepaid StraightTalk Android device runs Fruit Ninja at 60fps smooth, but the homescreen and entire OS lags like ****; it makes no sense that Microsoft hasn't updated these to 60fps by now (especially Kinnectimals, which they just released).
    11-21-2011 09:08 AM
  5. selfcreation's Avatar
    the cap was removed in mango so now it's up to the game devs to take advantage of it. Once again u are misinformed
    aactually it does have a cap , it was at 30FPS before mango , mango now caps it at 60FPS which is what MOST games on android and IOS run on
    and is plenty , don’t even think our phone can handle more than that any ways, hehe

    It's annoying that Microsoft can't even provide the update patches to the games that they tagged as "Microsoft X-Box Live Titles" to Mango. They made it sound so simple and that the 60fps comes "free out of the box" and that it's simply declaring in the manifest file (or w/e...don't remember of the top of my head, but I know it's basically a one-liner), yet they can't even update the apps and games that people will search for FIRST when using a WP7 device.

    The first games I looked for were Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds. After I started playing them it I was so upset. My wife's prepaid StraightTalk Android device runs Fruit Ninja at 60fps smooth, but the homescreen and entire OS lags like ****; it makes no sense that Microsoft hasn't updated these to 60fps by now (especially Kinnectimals, which they just released).
    BTW MS isn’t responsible for Updating the apps, the DEVs are ( some exceptions i think they made 2 or 3 games out of the 100 we have )
    11-21-2011 09:11 AM
  6. power5's Avatar
    1080p does nothing different but take up more space on a phone. Its also a gimkick just like dual core and siri. Nice try and yet u have the WP logo as an avatar.
    Because I love the UI and I am making the switch to WP. 1080p needs DC for the encoding. Its not just taking up more disk space. You really think that?

    All I am going to say is that the ONLY point I was trying to make is that dual-core / higher Mhz processors use more power.

    It's a simple fact that for some reason people can't comprehend because apparently some dumb android users think their dual-cores save battery life. It's simply not true. ...At all.
    That is not a fact. How much power does a P4 at 2.4ghz take? How much does a i5 2500 at 2.5ghz take? Same amount of power. Do you know how much faster the i5 is? Try watching 1080p on your P4. As tech keeps advancing power useage will advance as well. A quad with a TDP of 95w will use less power at idle than a P4 with TDP of 60w. Let me go try to find a link since you probably will not believe that for some reason.

    the cap was removed in mango so now it's up to the game devs to take advantage of it. Once again u are misinformed
    aactually it does have a cap , it was at 30FPS before mango , mango now caps it at 60FPS which is what MOST games on android and IOS run on
    and is plenty , dont even think our phone can handle more than that any ways, hehe
    Who is misinformed? No idea really where either get your facts but he claims that you are the misinformed one so until either show proof, its he said she said.


    I suggest a sticky DC vs SC thread. Put all comments into that thread and it will keep the forum from getting clogged with similar threads.
    11-21-2011 10:04 AM
  7. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    It's annoying that Microsoft can't even provide the update patches to the games that they tagged as "Microsoft X-Box Live Titles" to Mango. They made it sound so simple and that the 60fps comes "free out of the box" and that it's simply declaring in the manifest file (or w/e...don't remember of the top of my head, but I know it's basically a one-liner), yet they can't even update the apps and games that people will search for FIRST when using a WP7 device.

    The first games I looked for were Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds. After I started playing them it I was so upset. My wife's prepaid StraightTalk Android device runs Fruit Ninja at 60fps smooth, but the homescreen and entire OS lags like ****; it makes no sense that Microsoft hasn't updated these to 60fps by now (especially Kinnectimals, which they just released).
    MS isn't responsible for updating the games, the devs are. Do u not understand that or something?
    Because I love the UI and I am making the switch to WP. 1080p needs DC for the encoding. Its not just taking up more disk space. You really think that?



    That is not a fact. How much power does a P4 at 2.4ghz take? How much does a i5 2500 at 2.5ghz take? Same amount of power. Do you know how much faster the i5 is? Try watching 1080p on your P4. As tech keeps advancing power useage will advance as well. A quad with a TDP of 95w will use less power at idle than a P4 with TDP of 60w. Let me go try to find a link since you probably will not believe that for some reason.





    Who is misinformed? No idea really where either get your facts but he claims that you are the misinformed one so until either show proof, its he said she said.


    I suggest a sticky DC vs SC thread. Put all comments into that thread and it will keep the forum from getting clogged with similar threads.
    he said that games are capped at 30fps and I told him that such a cap was removed so therefore he's misinformed.
    11-21-2011 10:14 AM
  8. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    aactually it does have a cap , it was at 30FPS before mango , mango now caps it at 60FPS which is what MOST games on android and IOS run on
    and is plenty , dont even think our phone can handle more than that any ways, hehe



    BTW MS isnt responsible for Updating the apps, the DEVs are ( some exceptions i think they made 2 or 3 games out of the 100 we have )
    If this is the case, they need to do something to get developers to updates their apps. I mean seriously, send an e-mail maybe offering $100 bucks or something (nothing for Microsoft) , show them really how easy it is, and get them to update the dang games. That's all I see in reviews (and from personal use) is "this game is fun...not as smooth as Android or iOS tho" like all the time....seriously...
    11-21-2011 10:15 AM
  9. selfcreation's Avatar
    Who is misinformed? No idea really where either get your facts but he claims that you are the misinformed one so until either show proof, its he said she said.

    it has a 60FPS cap Guaranty!!!!

    BUT!!!

    their is a workaround to allow you to remove the CAP and allow the game to run as fast as the Hardware will allow you. (wich is a bad idea cause its probny gona slow down the phone more then any thing , but possible )

    Confirmed cap: Mango Season: A Detailed Tour of the new WP7.5 “Mango” by guest contributor; Zulu69 | ( do a ctrl-f and type in FPS (gaming section) )

    MS Dev forum(how to remove cap): Remove FPS Cap? - App Hub Forums
    11-21-2011 10:26 AM
  10. selfcreation's Avatar
    If this is the case, they need to do something to get developers to updates their apps. I mean seriously, send an e-mail maybe offering $100 bucks or something (nothing for Microsoft) , show them really how easy it is, and get them to update the dang games. That's all I see in reviews (and from personal use) is "this game is fun...not as smooth as Android or iOS tho" like all the time....seriously...

    yeah that would actually be a good idea, the problem is DEV are lazy and dont want to invest a week into change FPS , (witch honestly should not take more then a phew min to a couple hours)

    problem is MS dint really give a TIME line/limit for apps to be updated to MANGO. witch they should have... UPDATE or we remove it type thing.... but that would of created MORE problems. by us probly losing half the games HAHA
    11-21-2011 10:29 AM
  11. jfa1's Avatar
    Phones already run fine with single core technology. (Ex. iPhone 4, HTC Thunderbolt, Samsung Focus, Bold 9000)

    It's just that mobile technology is advancing at a rapid rate. So as time goes on, the operating systems and apps will take advantage of the newer hardware.

    I'm all for newer technology. I had single core phones last year, dual core this year and next year I'll probably upgrade to a new quad core phone of my liking.

    I would much rather have phones get faster and faster rather than stay the same. Same in regards to data speeds (EDGE -> 3G -> 4G).
    I agree i Like faster phones. RIGHT NOW WP runs fine on a single core processor. I would suspect that MS is working on dual core technology for WP and by the time weneed them they will have them for us. By that time I suspect that android will probably need quad or otcacore processors, and all the same people who pine and whine about not having dual core will be whining and pining for octacore devices because WP doesnt have them.
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    11-21-2011 11:13 AM
  12. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    I agree i Like faster phones. RIGHT NOW WP runs fine on a single core processor. I would suspect that MS is working on dual core technology for WP and by the time weneed them they will have them for us. By that time I suspect that android will probably need quad or otcacore processors, and all the same people who pine and whine about not having dual core will be whining and pining for octacore devices because WP doesnt have them.
    yup its like MS is held to a higher standard or something, its so ignorant.
    11-21-2011 11:35 AM
  13. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I beg to differ. I see a lot of slow down and just general lag since the official Mango release. Wasn't present with the Mago beta.
    I agree i Like faster phones. RIGHT NOW WP runs fine on a single core processor. I would suspect that MS is working on dual core technology for WP and by the time weneed them they will have them for us. By that time I suspect that android will probably need quad or otcacore processors, and all the same people who pine and whine about not having dual core will be whining and pining for octacore devices because WP doesnt have them.

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    11-21-2011 11:52 AM
  14. selfcreation's Avatar
    I beg to differ. I see a lot of slow down and just general lag since the official Mango release. Wasn't present with the Mago beta.


    Sent from my SGH-i917 using Board Express

    i have to agree that WP is DUE for Duel-core ... some of the high end games are starting to slow down allot.

    i hope next gen has them ... again we dont NEEED D.C but it would help to allow;

    1. better FPS
    2. less choppy games
    3. smother and would prevent tile re-draw and other things of the sort or general LAG on the keyboard.

    but its not that bad, personally i don’t see Much lag,,
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 11-21-2011 at 12:02 PM.
    11-21-2011 11:55 AM
  15. sin_nombre773's Avatar
    I beg to differ. I see a lot of slow down and just general lag since the official Mango release. Wasn't present with the Mago beta.


    Sent from my SGH-i917 using Board Express
    where?
    11-21-2011 12:00 PM
  16. selfcreation's Avatar
    where?
    - tile re-draw
    - Arcane TD lags allot
    - refresh rates in general
    - apps would open faster.
    - Fusion sentient lags a little and slow loading
    - every thing would just work faster.
    - allow for better FPS ( to run as smoth as Iphone , like in angry bird and fruity ninjaect..)

    honestly you wouldn’t really notice the different unless you have a D.C and a S.C next to each other both running WP7.5
    11-21-2011 12:08 PM
  17. canesfan625's Avatar
    -
    - every thing would just work faster.
    Its magic!

    Anyway the OP is right. Who cares? Buy whatever phone you want. You might as well start arguing dual vs quad while you're at it. By the time anything really starts needing dual core our little ole phones will be old and decrepit. As far as games go. Why are we arguing CPU? Our phones don't have the gpu power and probably could use more ram.
    11-21-2011 12:27 PM
  18. theefman's Avatar
    - tile re-draw
    - Arcane TD lags allot
    - refresh rates in general
    - apps would open faster.
    - Fusion sentient lags a little and slow loading
    - every thing would just work faster.
    - allow for better FPS ( to run as smoth as Iphone , like in angry bird and fruity ninjaect..)

    honestly you wouldn’t really notice the different unless you have a D.C and a S.C next to each other both running WP7.5
    Try running those on the 2nd gen devices with their faster GPU and see what the performance is like.

    Seems there are a few, but only a few situations that dual core would bring real benefits to WP7. Only one I can think of is 1080p video recording, games not so much as the bigger issue here is native code access.

    Not averse to better tech but is there really that much to be gained from dual cores at the moment, apart from good PR?
    11-21-2011 12:43 PM
  19. selfcreation's Avatar
    Try running those on the 2nd gen devices with their faster GPU and see what the performance is like.

    Seems there are a few, but only a few situations that dual core would bring real benefits to WP7. Only one I can think of is 1080p video recording, games not so much as the bigger issue here is native code access.

    Not averse to better tech but is there really that much to be gained from dual cores at the moment, apart from good PR?
    yeah i know they run better on the second GEN phones for sure.... like it or not . Duel-core would still make the phone smother lol , but like i said in the previous post , you wouldn’t really see a different unless you compared the phones next to each other, and even at that it be hard to tell.

    what you referring too when talking about the Native code access??
    11-21-2011 12:54 PM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    yeah i know they run better on the second GEN phones for sure.... like it or not . Duel-core would still make the phone smother lol , but like i said in the previous post , you wouldnt really see a different unless you compared the phones next to each other, and even at that it be hard to tell.

    what you referring too when talking about the Native code access??
    This: http://www.windowscentral.com/unity-...-windows-phone. Game engines like Unreal would require native access which MS does not allow. Biggest factor preventing better gaming on WP7.
    11-21-2011 01:17 PM
  21. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Scrolling
    Applications launch
    IE is horribly slot at times
    Music app when moving from one song to another
    Marketplace searching
    ...

    There are more, but I tend to overlook them. These are just the ones that I notice happening a lot. It's listed in order of how bad the problem is.
    where?
    11-21-2011 01:24 PM
  22. power5's Avatar
    he said that games are capped at 30fps and I told him that such a cap was removed so therefore he's misinformed.
    it has a 60FPS cap Guaranty!!!!

    BUT!!!

    their is a workaround to allow you to remove the CAP and allow the game to run as fast as the Hardware will allow you. (wich is a bad idea cause its probny gona slow down the phone more then any thing , but possible )

    Confirmed cap: Mango Season: A Detailed Tour of the new WP7.5 Mango by guest contributor; Zulu69 | ( do a ctrl-f and type in FPS (gaming section) )

    MS Dev forum(how to remove cap): Remove FPS Cap? - App Hub Forums
    Again you provided no facts to back up your comment. Se1fcr3ation did. You are just repeating stuff you read on other sites or something.

    Seems there are a few, but only a few situations that dual core would bring real benefits to WP7. Only one I can think of is 1080p video recording, games not so much as the bigger issue here is native code access.

    Not averse to better tech but is there really that much to be gained from dual cores at the moment, apart from good PR?
    Have not double checked but it seems that every new DC is able to shoot 1080p so getting DC quickly will keep WP aligned with competition. Of course not everyone needs to shoot in 1080p and some do it more poorly than a 720p phone but its still important to keep with the features the competition has. There are only a few situations that DC really helps but why cant we have these features?
    11-21-2011 01:26 PM
  23. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Ok, WTF is up with the tile re-draw. I never use to see it, then I only saw it when scrolling really really fast, now I see it just browsing the apps/tile I have on my home screen at a normal pace. Mango beta/beta 2 never had this issue.
    - tile re-draw
    - Arcane TD lags allot
    - refresh rates in general
    - apps would open faster.
    - Fusion sentient lags a little and slow loading
    - every thing would just work faster.
    - allow for better FPS ( to run as smoth as Iphone , like in angry bird and fruity ninjaect..)

    honestly you wouldnt really notice the different unless you have a D.C and a S.C next to each other both running WP7.5
    11-21-2011 01:27 PM
  24. selfcreation's Avatar
    Again you provided no facts to back up your comment. Se1fcr3ation did. You are just repeating stuff you read on other sites or something.
    put it this way...

    if a DEVELOPOER is asking how to take off the 60FPS for his MANGO APP on a OFFICIAL Dev web site HOSTED by MS and answered by a MS member.

    i use simple comment sens to deduct answers , unfortunately not everyone has comment sense.


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    11-21-2011 01:48 PM
  25. power5's Avatar
    Your first link is from the site detailing the changes in Mango state the FPS has been lifted from 30-60 so I would say your statements are based in more fact than sin_773
    11-21-2011 01:59 PM
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