12-03-2011 01:44 PM
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  1. selfcreation's Avatar
    Having just gotten back from a vacation I can tell you that Delta announces that all electronics including cell phones be turned OFF for take off and landing. Not airplane mode. ALL electronics turned off. After lift off they can be turned back on in airplane mode. I have no idea why this old fable is still in practice. I would hope all electronics that keep my flight in flight have much more substantial shielding than my cell phone could penetrate.
    i ask them once why i had to turn it off even doh i have airplane mode turned on.

    they said that even doh you turn on airplane mode it still shoots out some sort of Frequency that could mess with the Planes electronics...

    Now i dont know how this make any sense cause ,, what the **** is the point of airplane mode.

    Also turning it off before takeoff then turning it back on in flight = same thing... taking off or flying = same thing…

    that makes no sense.. when she ( the flight attended ) said that to me i burst out laughing and told her i work in cell phones for living and what she said made NO SENS. She gave me attitude and walked away ……

    maybe it would make sense 10 years ago.... I mean THERE IS A REASON PHONES HAVE AIRPLANE MODE!!!! Even without airplane mode the CHANCE that your phone screws up the Plane is slim to NONE!! 1 / 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance.

    honestly i think they are just afraid that it causes static in the communications between pilot and Air traffic controllers.
    11-30-2011 01:48 PM
  2. boss.king's Avatar
    boot time doesnt really matter but it give you an idea of how fast the OS/phone actually is.

    if you wana compare speeds , youre better off doing a BOOT TIME TEST , then comparing them opening apps.

    like MAC vs PC .. mac are better and smoother cause its not a mess like PC..

    - PC has to load up HUNDRES of files for 1 program
    - mac 1fille for 1 program.
    That's just a blatant lie. You clearly don't understand what you're talking about.
    11-30-2011 03:29 PM
  3. jeremyshaw's Avatar
    i ask them once why i had to turn it off even doh i have airplane mode turned on.

    they said that even doh you turn on airplane mode it still shoots out some sort of Frequency that could mess with the Planes electronics...

    Now i dont know how this make any sense cause ,, what the **** is the point of airplane mode.

    Also turning it off before takeoff then turning it back on in flight = same thing... taking off or flying = same thing

    that makes no sense.. when she ( the flight attended ) said that to me i burst out laughing and told her i work in cell phones for living and what she said made NO SENS. She gave me attitude and walked away

    maybe it would make sense 10 years ago.... I mean THERE IS A REASON PHONES HAVE AIRPLANE MODE!!!! Even without airplane mode the CHANCE that your phone screws up the Plane is slim to NONE!! 1 / 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance.

    honestly i think they are just afraid that it causes static in the communications between pilot and Air traffic controllers.
    The primary reason, IMO, is to get passengers to put away their devices until the plane is in the air.

    If the plane needs to hit the brakes during takeoff, or hits something during landing, that pretty little iPhone and it's metal/glass shell will very likely become a roughtly 140g missile traveling at upto 100mph+ in the worst case.
    11-30-2011 03:41 PM
  4. selfcreation's Avatar
    That's just a blatant lie. You clearly don't understand what you're talking about.


    its not a blunt lie , that basically what it is

    if you do a processing test ... with he titan and the thunderbolt , the titan runs about 4x times faster..

    i did a test with the GS2 VS my Focus ... boot time is roughly the same , and they run just as smooth one another. with he GS2 needing double the power.
    (actually I think its more than double the power )

    its a question of simple math and what the phones needs to process with in a set time period. the longer it takes the slower it is.... and the fact that Android has HORIBLE coding due to Open source ( this is confirmed by just about everybody and everything ) actually ahs an affect on the over all quality of the phone…

    if it was a lie , maybe you can explain to me why my FOCUS single core runs as fast as the GS2 duel-core?? When it should be clearly OWNING IT…
    just like my duel-core PC rapes my G-f`s single core PC….
    11-30-2011 03:49 PM
  5. selfcreation's Avatar
    The primary reason, IMO, is to get passengers to put away their devices until the plane is in the air.

    If the plane needs to hit the brakes during takeoff, or hits something during landing, that pretty little iPhone and it's metal/glass shell will very likely become a roughtly 140g missile traveling at upto 100mph+ in the worst case.
    actually prime reason is to prevent communication problems, i just looked it up.. hahaha

    but your right about the missile thing :P im sure thats another reason if something goes wrong.
    jeremyshaw likes this.
    11-30-2011 03:51 PM
  6. Blacklac's Avatar
    Well, just to throw a tiny wrench in the boot up debate, HHD speed has quite a bit to do with it also. I'm not real familiar with that on Mobile devices, but its painfully obvious on PC's. SSD's boot purty darn quick! :p
    11-30-2011 03:56 PM
  7. power5's Avatar
    I think they all use NAND flash chips for storage. No idea how much speed difference is between NAND chips. Maybe the iPhone 4S has something different since it has up to 64gb of capacity.
    11-30-2011 04:13 PM
  8. power5's Avatar
    i ask them once why i had to turn it off even doh i have airplane mode turned on.

    they said that even doh you turn on airplane mode it still shoots out some sort of Frequency that could mess with the Planes electronics...

    Now i dont know how this make any sense cause ,, what the **** is the point of airplane mode.

    Also turning it off before takeoff then turning it back on in flight = same thing... taking off or flying = same thing

    that makes no sense.. when she ( the flight attended ) said that to me i burst out laughing and told her i work in cell phones for living and what she said made NO SENS. She gave me attitude and walked away

    maybe it would make sense 10 years ago.... I mean THERE IS A REASON PHONES HAVE AIRPLANE MODE!!!! Even without airplane mode the CHANCE that your phone screws up the Plane is slim to NONE!! 1 / 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 chance.

    honestly i think they are just afraid that it causes static in the communications between pilot and Air traffic controllers.
    I dunno I saw a documentary a few years back about what could happen. Here is a short clip.
    11-30-2011 04:15 PM
  9. selfcreation's Avatar
    i dunno i saw a documentary a few years back about what could happen. Here is a short clip.

    rolf!!!!
    11-30-2011 04:19 PM
  10. N8ter's Avatar
    boot time doesn’t really matter but it give you an idea of how fast the OS/phone actually is.

    if you wana compare speeds , you’re better off doing a BOOT TIME TEST , then comparing them opening apps.

    like MAC vs PC .. mac are better and smoother cause its not a mess like PC..

    - PC has to load up HUNDRES of files for 1 program
    - mac 1fille for 1 program.


    I DJ , i use to have a PC (laptop) .. and it bugged out and froze on me during live shows :S..
    Macs dont have that problem , way more reliable due to its simplicity and GOOD coding,.
    samethign with WP VS Android

    yes is VAGUE but its what it is.
    Not really. It may boot to a home screen faster but you have no idea if all the necessary services are started on boot or delayed to get the user to the desktop faster.

    That is how Microsoft achieved windows 7's improved boot times (one of the ways, at least).

    Also the crap you wrote about macs and PCs is exactly what I just called it. Obviously not a developer...

    Sent from my SGH-T959 using Tapatalk
    11-30-2011 07:01 PM
  11. N8ter's Avatar
    Having just gotten back from a vacation I can tell you that Delta announces that all electronics including cell phones be turned OFF for take off and landing. Not airplane mode. ALL electronics turned off. After lift off they can be turned back on in airplane mode. I have no idea why this old fable is still in practice. I would hope all electronics that keep my flight in flight have much more substantial shielding than my cell phone could penetrate.
    Then turn it off for take off and landing. I haven't had time turn a smartphone off on a flight in years.

    Again, it's not like the phone takes a day to both up.

    And for the record, HTC sense is now the most bloat infested android skin on the market. All their devices take forever to boot, for the most part.

    Sent from my SGH-T959 using Tapatalk
    11-30-2011 07:05 PM
  12. Joelist's Avatar
    HDD speed has a LOT to do with bootup. So does the software you have installed and whether it tries to have junk running in the background on your PC. I've booted up a cleaned Win 7 install on both a mechanical (7200) HDD and a SSD. In both cases it came up superfast (in the SSD case under 10 seconds). By "cleaned" I mean I put all my stuff on it then go into sysconfig and under Startup turn off all the unneeded rubbish that the software I use tries to turn on at startup.

    As to the phones, until there is an LTE Windows Phone on CDMA you can't use the TBolt for comparison. It needs the extra radios to allow simultaneous voice and data across all bands on CDMA. So the comparison would make more sense using an AT&T 3G Android.

    Oh, and Sense on Android is NOT bloat. Really it is the only truly usable UI in Android. It also operates smoothly and quickly because it has customizations to Android over and above the UI. They also have the best email service (they bake ActiveSync into Sense) and their version of the browser also is better than Android usual. If you want really bad Android look at Blur.

    That said. I'm all for WP. Give me an LTE Windows Phone on Big Red and I'm in!
    11-30-2011 11:34 PM
  13. Judge_Daniel's Avatar
    I don't understand how the Thunderbolt boots so slowly. My WM6.5 Imagio, which is clocked at only 528 Mhz, boots up faster than that. It also is a world phone, so it has CDMA and GSM (meaning it is only missing LTE), as well as Sense. Crazy...

    The only thing I can take away from it is that Windows Phones don't need dual cores to do the same BASIC tasks that would require it on an Android phone. However, I still believe that if we are going to push WP on a gaming/media front, we need to get dual-cores out there. This is all moot, of course, because that is coming.
    Last edited by Judge_Daniel; 12-01-2011 at 05:32 AM.
    12-01-2011 12:45 AM
  14. boss.king's Avatar
    its not a blunt lie , that basically what it is

    if you do a processing test ... with he titan and the thunderbolt , the titan runs about 4x times faster..

    i did a test with the GS2 VS my Focus ... boot time is roughly the same , and they run just as smooth one another. with he GS2 needing double the power.
    (actually I think its more than double the power )

    its a question of simple math and what the phones needs to process with in a set time period. the longer it takes the slower it is.... and the fact that Android has HORIBLE coding due to Open source ( this is confirmed by just about everybody and everything ) actually ahs an affect on the over all quality of the phone

    if it was a lie , maybe you can explain to me why my FOCUS single core runs as fast as the GS2 duel-core?? When it should be clearly OWNING IT
    just like my duel-core PC rapes my G-f`s single core PC.
    I was meaning the Mac vs pc thing
    12-01-2011 04:30 AM
  15. power5's Avatar
    Titan is a world phone I thought? Or does it not have CDMA antenna?
    12-01-2011 10:53 AM
  16. Joelist's Avatar
    Trust me I am not advocating for Android or iOS. I am simply saying that if you're trying to assert superiority for Windows Phone the basis has to be factual and fair.

    That said, it's pretty obvious that WP is better coded than either iOS or Android. It runs fast and without hitches on single core processors while the latest iOS needs dual core to run smoothly. Android Gingerbread if optimized right (Sense) runs good on single core but the latest iteration (Ice Cream Sandwich) pretty much needs dual core too.

    But that said, the fact is that WP not having leading edge phones (with higher resolution and LTE) is holding the platform back.
    12-02-2011 12:03 AM
  17. N8ter's Avatar
    The OS is well coded but at the moment it does significantly less than android and less than iOS.

    Personally I don't measure performance in milliseconds so they are perfectly usable to me in the general sense. Where wp fails hard is the lack of a decent notification system, über slow push notifications for third party apps, limited communication with non smartphone users (like video mms), UI that tries so hard to be consistent that it makes everything look like a bad clone of the stock apps, and poor integration with microsofts desktop OS and live essentials apps.

    The entire end to end experience matters much more to me than how smooth it is. It's probably always gonna be smooth. That won't change the face that a Mac user can import media directly from the iPhone in iLife while we have to perform significantly more steps to achieve the same workflow, among other things.

    Maybe this will all be there in Windows 8 and Live Essentials Wave 5. But I literally cannot afford to wait that long.

    When I seen how well the iPhone interops with macs, it was the first time I was embarrassed to own a windows pc and windows or android phone.

    Despite them trying so hard to make the phone easy to use, the end to end experience (desktop to phone to web) is still unnecessarily complete and rather clunky.

    There still isn't a decent way to manage albums in Photo Gallery and keep them in Sync with SkyDrive, for example... Something Picasa has no issues doing.

    Oh. He could also control his apple tv and his music player which streams into 5 rooms with his phone. Yea. I was envious.

    Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk
    Last edited by N8ter; 12-02-2011 at 06:33 AM.
    12-02-2011 06:26 AM
  18. Joelist's Avatar
    Agreed. I never claimed it was perfect and indeed notifications is the place where it needs to improve the most (Android cleans everyone's clock in that area).

    I would say that in this era of smartphones integrating with the cloud that desktop OS integration is much less important than it used to be. With that said, Windows itself has the sync software built in for Windows Phones and microsoft has the Mac connector as a free download at its site.
    12-03-2011 01:44 PM
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