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  1. mkr10001's Avatar
    I think John Gruber's take is the best - no one really is quite sure why Windows Phone hasn't taken off, and it's obviously not just one or two points that can be easily solved. His analogy was if you showed a group of people Android, Windows Phone and iOS in their current iterations in 2006 (pre-iPhone), there would be more than 1% picking the Windows Phone.

    So why hasn't it taken off? I can tell you mkr10001, it is not because it doesn't have bluetooth file transfer. KingCrimson, it is off-putting for haters such as yourself who are entrenched in photo-realism on a 2D screen.

    Stop projecting your own objections into reasons why it hasn't taken off. If Microsoft had iterated on Windows Mobile (ie less aggressive look), it would have literally NOTHING against Android.
    WHEN have I ever said that Bluetooth is the reason wp7 hasn't taken off? I may have said that's something they need but never blamed everything on the lack of it, you thoroughly unpleasant excuse for a human being. Take your foul attitude somewhere else!
    01-03-2012 07:38 AM
  2. mkr10001's Avatar
    98% of the market prefers photo-realistic 3D icons vs flat boring live tiles. The market has spoken.
    to be fair that's not the reason people aren't buying windows phones
    01-03-2012 07:42 AM
  3. Premium1's Avatar
    Verizon does it, T-mobile does it, AT&T does it, and Sprint does it. Seems like standard practice to me.
    They only do it if you don't have a messaging plan. I know people with dumbphones and no data and they get mms just fine with no data plan.
    01-03-2012 12:31 PM
  4. Blacklac's Avatar
    Most people that have seen my phone have no idea what it is. Granted, most of them aren't nearly as tech savvy as I. In the US, i think the lack of sales is because nonexistent marketing. :/

    Perhaps when W8 hits, it may gain some recognition among normal humans. :p Who knows, Metro UI in W8 may not be too recognizable either, if its only used on touchscreens.
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    01-03-2012 01:04 PM
  5. Reflexx's Avatar
    It's interesting to the the "sky is falling" attitude.

    For some, it's a desire they have to see WP fail. I'm not sure why. Apparently being a fan of something else means that they want to see possible competitors go up in flames.

    For others it is a little impatience. Things aren't moving fast enough, and therefore they think that signifies failure.

    And for even others, it's just a frustration that there must be something "wrong" if an OS that is so nice can't pick up any traction.

    WP isn't everything to everyone. It's not even everything to a majority. But it is a great OS that does some things extremely well. In my opinion, best in class.

    "Superior" is so subjective. And with so many different types of people with different priorities, that label will be given to whatever platform happens to satisfy their own personal wants and needs in the best way possible. For me, that's WP. For others, it may not be. But I look forward to WP growing to the point where it can start gaining some of that label from those other customers.

    But I'm fine with the ones that want shiny static icons staying with another platform. WP definitely does not need to move in that direction.
    01-03-2012 01:31 PM
  6. aubreyq's Avatar
    My take is that there's hasn't been a SPECTACULAR, rock star Windows Phone in the USA. You first gotta get the market's attention with the phone.
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    01-03-2012 01:38 PM
  7. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    People don't know what WP7 is, and many don't give two hoots about it. They are perfectly happy with their Android/iOS devices. The Android takeover is in people's minds, so that's what they know.
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    01-03-2012 02:13 PM
  8. Premium1's Avatar
    People don't know what WP7 is, and many don't give two hoots about it. They are perfectly happy with their Android/iOS devices. The Android takeover is in people's minds, so that's what they know.
    Agree. Ms hasnt done enough to give people a reason to switch from what they already have and are using.
    01-03-2012 02:19 PM
  9. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    MS and their partners have no clue how to market WP7. Just today I saw a commercial for Androids new "group" feature [which WP7 had first]. The commercial for it was great. It was funny, entertaining, and straight to the point. If WP7 fails, it will be due to MS/OEM/WHOEVER not being able to market it to the people, or people just don't want to change.
    Agree. Ms hasnt done enough to give people a reason to switch from what they already have and are using.
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    01-03-2012 02:31 PM
  10. Justin.TV312's Avatar
    MS and their partners have no clue how to market WP7. Just today I saw a commercial for Androids new "group" feature [which WP7 had first]. The commercial for it was great. It was funny, entertaining, and straight to the point. If WP7 fails, it will be due to MS/OEM/WHOEVER not being able to market it to the people, or people just don't want to change.
    more like the second thing
    01-03-2012 02:38 PM
  11. scottcraft's Avatar
    more like the second thing
    You don't think the lack of good marketing is hurting? I don't think it's the only issue, but it would be nice to see some cool commercials showing what WP can do. There are so many droid, iPhone and blackberry commercials out its not even funny.

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    01-03-2012 02:48 PM
  12. foosball's Avatar
    Unfortunately for MS it will have to ditch the Windows moniker to succeed. It's almost purely marketing at this point.

    Windows Phone is a success story looking for a reason to fail and it can fail based on marketing alone.

    Every single person I have spoken to about Windows Phone has said "Windows??? MS??? No, thanks!!!" before even looking at the phone. MS clearly doesn't appreciate the marketing black-hole it has created with the Windows name.

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    01-03-2012 03:08 PM
  13. Blacklac's Avatar
    Unfortunately for MS it will have to ditch the Windows moniker to succeed. It's almost purely marketing at this point.

    Windows Phone is a success story looking for a reason to fail and it can fail based on marketing alone.

    Every single person I have spoken to about Windows Phone has said "Windows??? MS??? No, thanks!!!" before even looking at the phone. MS clearly doesn't appreciate the marketing black-hole it has created with the Windows name.

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    What does that say about "those people" that would suddenly "consider" WP if it had a name that wasn't associated with Windows? :P
    01-03-2012 03:20 PM
  14. Reflexx's Avatar
    What does that say about "those people" that would suddenly "consider" WP if it had a name that wasn't associated with Windows? :P
    I think it just says that they had a bad mental association to Windows on the phone.

    Keep in mind, many of these people haven't even been willing to give WP a chance. They haven't really seen it other than a few glimpses in pictures or commercials. They've never used it. So they really don't have anything telling them that it's different than what their preconceptions say.
    01-03-2012 03:42 PM
  15. mkr10001's Avatar
    Unfortunately for MS it will have to ditch the Windows moniker to succeed. It's almost purely marketing at this point.

    Windows Phone is a success story looking for a reason to fail and it can fail based on marketing alone.

    Every single person I have spoken to about Windows Phone has said "Windows??? MS??? No, thanks!!!" before even looking at the phone. MS clearly doesn't appreciate the marketing black-hole it has created with the Windows name.

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    No. Stop blaming it on the name. It ISN'T the name what's wrong. It just needs overall improvement to draw people away from what they already love. And changing the name isn't going to do that.
    01-03-2012 04:28 PM
  16. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    Unfortunately for MS it will have to ditch the Windows moniker to succeed. It's almost purely marketing at this point.

    Windows Phone is a success story looking for a reason to fail and it can fail based on marketing alone.

    Every single person I have spoken to about Windows Phone has said "Windows??? MS??? No, thanks!!!" before even looking at the phone. MS clearly doesn't appreciate the marketing black-hole it has created with the Windows name.
    I sort of agree, but it's strange that the marketing black-hole was created with the operating system that consistently holds 80-90% of the PC market. "Windows" wasn't the problem, "Windows Mobile" was the problem.

    Apple revitalized itself with marketing. Microsoft could certainly do better in that regard. They need to put some fresh kid in charge of marketing and put the suits in charge of Office.
    01-03-2012 04:29 PM
  17. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    No. Stop blaming it on the name. It ISN'T the name what's wrong. It just needs overall improvement to draw people away from what they already love. And changing the name isn't going to do that.
    I wonder if you could open your mind, put aside your ego for a minute, and consider the possibility that the name is part of the problem.
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    01-03-2012 04:32 PM
  18. o4liberty's Avatar
    I just switched from android and couldn't be happier. Microsoft needs to market better and make a few easy changes to the software to compete with the other platforms. For example blackberry is the only platform that you can adjust the font sizes and if Microsoft did this before Google does that would sell more to the older crowd that has aging eyes. This might seem stupid but as we get older our eyes get weaker so if it is easier to read there would be no complaints.
    Windows phones are awesome and if the basics are applied it would be the best platform.
    01-03-2012 04:38 PM
  19. mkr10001's Avatar
    I wonder if you could open your mind, put aside your ego for a minute, and consider the possibility that the name is part of the problem.
    Why don't you tell me how the name is the problem when Windows is still the most popular computer OS in the world?? Clearly the majority of people DON'T think the way you think they do!

    What the **** has this got to do with ego?
    01-03-2012 04:43 PM
  20. Reflexx's Avatar
    I wonder if you could open your mind, put aside your ego for a minute, and consider the possibility that the name is part of the problem.
    Yeah. I don't think anyone here is claiming that it's 100% of the problem. Heck, not even 50% of the problem. But it does appear to be a problem.

    There is a resistance by many to even give WP a try. Why would that be? The OS is beautiful, smooth, and functional. But many don't even want to bother taking a look once they hear the name of it. They just brush it off.

    Sadly, Windows on mobile doesn't have a very good reputation. And a lot of people did give Windows Mobile a try, but didn't like it.

    It's like if you drove an old Ford Pinto. That was a horrible car.

    Now let's say there's a brand new Ford Pinto. It's completely different than the old Ford Pinto. It performs great and it's reliable.

    But what happens when you tell people about it? They'll say, "Ford Pinto? No thanks."
    01-03-2012 04:52 PM
  21. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    Why don't you tell me how the name is the problem when Windows is still the most popular computer OS in the world?? Clearly the majority of people DON'T think the way you think they do!
    I don't claim to know what the majority of all people think, as you do. I'm not qualified to speak for the majority of all people, and neither are you. However, the majority of people I have talked to still have negative associations with respect to Windows Mobile and carry them over to Windows Phone. I know some people who hate everything Microsoft. I have friends who love everything Apple and think Windows is a joke. I know IT people who put Linux on everything and think everything Windows is an easy target for viruses. That perception is out there whether you're willing to admit it or not.

    What the **** has this got to do with ego?
    Because you continue to state your opinion as fact despite everybody disagreeing with you. The majority of people in this thread think the name is an obstacle. What makes you such an expert? You think you trump everybody in this forum just because you have an opinion? Trust me when I tell you that you're not unique in that regard. In fact, that makes you quite ordinary. What makes you extraordinary is your inability to accept that someone else might know what he's talking about.
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    01-03-2012 05:02 PM
  22. Premium1's Avatar
    Why don't you tell me how the name is the problem when Windows is still the most popular computer OS in the world?? Clearly the majority of people DON'T think the way you think they do!

    What the **** has this got to do with ego?
    Because computer os and phone os are two different things. Especially after all the issues that plagued windows mobile.
    01-03-2012 05:04 PM
  23. Premium1's Avatar
    MS and their partners have no clue how to market WP7. Just today I saw a commercial for Androids new "group" feature [which WP7 had first]. The commercial for it was great. It was funny, entertaining, and straight to the point. If WP7 fails, it will be due to MS/OEM/WHOEVER not being able to market it to the people, or people just don't want to change.
    Agree, apple sells the majority of their products on advertising alone. If MS does not take some cues from others or get people in there who know how to market and advertise their product then nothing is going to change with MS not being known by very many.
    01-03-2012 05:05 PM
  24. mkr10001's Avatar
    Because computer os and phone os are two different things. Especially after all the issues that plagued windows mobile.
    OK then if Computer OS and phone OS are two different things....why do you think that's the issue?


    I don't claim to know what the majority of all people think, as you do. I'm not qualified to speak for the majority of all people, and neither are you. However, the majority of people I have talked to still have negative associations with respect to Windows Mobile and carry them over to Windows Phone. I know some people who hate everything Microsoft. I have friends who love everything Apple and think Windows is a joke. I know IT people who put Linux on everything and think everything Windows is an easy target for viruses. That perception is out there whether you're willing to admit it or not.



    Because you continue to state your opinion as fact despite everybody disagreeing with you. The majority of people in this thread think the name is an obstacle. What makes you such an expert? You think you trump everybody in this forum just because you have an opinion? Trust me when I tell you that you're not unique in that regard. In fact, that makes you quite ordinary. What makes you extraordinary is your inability to accept that someone else might know what he's talking about.

    It goes two ways! Just because "everybody" disagrees with me that the name is what's wrong doesn't mean it's true! It IS a FACT that the name isn't the single reason that WP isn't blowing up. The OS just doesn't offer enough to drag people away from what they already love. It COULD be part of the reason but there are so many other things.

    1) lack of proper bluetooth
    2) lack of marketing
    3) lack of features people want e.g micro SD support, flash support.
    4) possibly Windows Mobile (but joe bloggs in the street doesn't care about that. neither do teenage girls who want to facebook and text their friends). Tech people who know about the failure that was windows mobile AREN'T the only people who want to buy phones!

    Maybe you should open YOUR mind to the possibility that not everyone cares that it has the windows name. You can't blame it all on a name!
    01-03-2012 05:08 PM
  25. Judge_Daniel's Avatar
    I'll admit that when I use a Windows Phone, I don't think of the traditional Windows experience. However, I'm wondering if Microsoft is trying to change the perception of its entire product line. The only way I'd see them changing the name of Windows Phone is if they remove Windows from Windows 8.
    01-03-2012 05:12 PM
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