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01-13-2012 10:19 AM
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  1. PG2G's Avatar
    All updates are cumulative, so the changes in 8107 will be part of whatever build Tango is.
    01-08-2012 12:48 PM
  2. Chris Coyle's Avatar
    Tango is not for all phones. Its a stripped down version for these so called low end phones that Nokia wants for international and places like China and India. Our next big update will be Apollo in mid to late 2012. My guess At&t will wait til then. Maybe if MS releases that Sms bug fix, then maybe then.

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    01-08-2012 03:19 PM
  3. jfa1's Avatar
    well if in fact the update policy of old is still in place they cant pass as they passed on the 7740 update and therefore would have to rol out 8107
    01-08-2012 05:11 PM
  4. Luisraul924's Avatar
    All updates are cumulative, so the changes in 8107 will be part of whatever build Tango is.
    this is correct.
    Tango is not for all phones. Its a stripped down version for these so called low end phones that Nokia wants for international and places like China and India. Our next big update will be Apollo in mid to late 2012. My guess At&t will wait til then. Maybe if MS releases that Sms bug fix, then maybe then.

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    this is not correct, albeit not incorrect either, we have no solid confirmations on what Tango is exactly, there were rumors of there being two versions of Tango one for low-end devices and the other for regular devices.
    well if in fact the update policy of old is still in place they cant pass as they passed on the 7740 update and therefore would have to rol out 8107
    This may or may not be correct, if the "every other update" schedule is written into a contract somewhere then yes it would be required, however if this "maintenance release" was an unscheduled release then depending on the terms of that update contract, carriers might be allowed to skip this update as well, which is what I think actually happened.
    01-08-2012 05:49 PM
  5. lumic's Avatar
    there is a higher chance of having problems than other operating systems like Android because it's not open source
    This made my day.
    01-10-2012 04:27 AM
  6. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    This made my day.
    How....? Are you suggesting the risks are the same?
    01-10-2012 07:36 AM
  7. HeyCori's Avatar
    Tango is not for all phones. Its a stripped down version for these so called low end phones that Nokia wants for international and places like China and India. Our next big update will be Apollo in mid to late 2012. My guess At&t will wait til then. Maybe if MS releases that Sms bug fix, then maybe then.

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    Nokia has abandoned their plan to use the Windows Phone OS on low end phones. I wouldn't expect anything "lower end" than the 710. Nokia will most likely use Symbian and now Smarterphone to fill any gaps.
    01-10-2012 08:18 AM
  8. GG916's Avatar
    Here's MS's latest statement about the update process from a recently posted article over at WMPoweruser.com Microsoft reassures WP7 users–Nothing has changed regarding updates | WMPoweruser

    Hopefully this means that ATT and all other US carriers who passed on the 7740 update will now be bringing out 8107 along with the 7740 update. Hopefully it wont take long to test, but with where's my update page going away will it be harder to keep up with progress? Hopefully not!
    Last I checked, the Where's My Update page had 7.5 as the latest update release. They haven't even updated that page with either the 7740 or 8107. Edited to add: I can't even find the page anymore. It's gone.
    Last edited by GG916; 01-10-2012 at 12:58 PM.
    01-10-2012 12:49 PM
  9. Rocket_Girl's Avatar
    Last I checked, the Where's My Update page had 7.5 as the latest update release. They haven't even updated that page with either the 7740 or 8107. Edited to add: I can't even find the page anymore. It's gone.
    They said they were taking the page down...as it had become "too unwieldy"

    Really? I wish I could forego a three-column, 10-ish row data table because it is 'too unwieldy."
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    01-10-2012 01:18 PM
  10. Luisraul924's Avatar
    How....? Are you suggesting the risks are the same?
    No I'm pretty sure anybody that is knowledgable in this matter would know that there are less risks. You see, with Android it is precisely because it is open source that it is worse for updates. You see with Android, OEMs need to focus on compiling a brand new build for each and every device they have, as well as adjust and/or recompile each device's firmware to adjust for that new build. THEN as if that didn't take long enough, there is still the possibility that either google or the carrier rejects the build and/or firmware requiring the OEM to recheck their code (especially because Android is buggy as ****). Windows Phone on the other hand, Microsoft builds once for all devices hands it to OEMs for firmware adjustment and carriers for approval (which often more than not is accepted on the first shot since this OS is strictly controlled and virtually bugless compared to Android) what's the beauty of WP7? it's so organized because it is a closed source, controlled environment that we get updates faster than any Android device would dream of having. Now, tell me... Which part of the above explanation makes Windows Phone seem more "risky" in terms of OS updates? From where I'm standing Android is in a much worse position in terms of updates. Oh and that wasn't even mentioning the fact that most OEMs don't even bother with all that bull****, they just succumb to capitalism and create a new device six to eight weeks later (sometimes sooner) officially ****ing over previous owners of updates.
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    01-11-2012 04:58 PM
  11. Premium1's Avatar
    No I'm pretty sure anybody that is knowledgable in this matter would know that there are less risks. You see, with Android it is precisely because it is open source that it is worse for updates. You see with Android, OEMs need to focus on compiling a brand new build for each and every device they have, as well as adjust and/or recompile each device's firmware to adjust for that new build. THEN as if that didn't take long enough, there is still the possibility that either google or the carrier rejects the build and/or firmware requiring the OEM to recheck their code (especially because Android is buggy as ****). Windows Phone on the other hand, Microsoft builds once for all devices hands it to OEMs for firmware adjustment and carriers for approval (which often more than not is accepted on the first shot since this OS is strictly controlled and virtually bugless compared to Android) what's the beauty of WP7? it's so organized because it is a closed source, controlled environment that we get updates faster than any Android device would dream of having. Now, tell me... Which part of the above explanation makes Windows Phone seem more "risky" in terms of OS updates? From where I'm standing Android is in a much worse position in terms of updates. Oh and that wasn't even mentioning the fact that most OEMs don't even bother with all that bull****, they just succumb to capitalism and create a new device six to eight weeks later (sometimes sooner) officially ****ing over previous owners of updates.
    Actually the nexus devices get updates just as fast as wp7 since the updates come from google. No carrier bs.
    01-11-2012 05:21 PM
  12. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Actually the nexus devices get updates just as fast as wp7 since the updates come from google. No carrier bs.
    yeah but not everybody has a nexus device and that only counts for one device not all devices like Windows Phone. Microsoft already stated that the update cycle hasn't changed so that means every device will get the update all depending on the rollout schedule. Whereas Android, you're at the mercy of whether or not the OEM even wants to compile an updated build for your device... That sucks.
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    01-11-2012 05:27 PM
  13. Premium1's Avatar
    yeah but not everybody has a nexus device and that only counts for one device not all devices like Windows Phone. Microsoft already stated that the update cycle hasn't changed so that means every device will get the update all depending on the rollout schedule. Whereas Android, you're at the mercy of whether or not the OEM even wants to compile an updated build for your device... That sucks.
    Yeah it does suck, but with carriers essentially getting to pick and choose which updates they will issue for their wp's it seems wp is going in the same direction of android.
    01-11-2012 05:52 PM
  14. gtg465x's Avatar
    Agreed. The Nexus actually gets updates quicker than any Windows Phone. My brand new Titan is already two versions behind and there are bug fixes in those two releases that I would really like to have. So far I'm rather disappointed with the update situation. It's pretty much like Android.
    01-11-2012 07:18 PM
  15. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Yeah it does suck, but with carriers essentially getting to pick and choose which updates they will issue for their wp's it seems wp is going in the same direction of android.
    the update cycle hasn't changed, Microsoft themselves have confirmed that. Carriers can skip an update if they deem it too small or insignificant but it'll be added to the next update which they're required to rollout. This "maintenance update" was probably not originally scheduled which is why Microsoft is giving the carriers the chance to skip it. If you all enjoy the Nexus more than Windows Phone great but go talk about it at android central and quit flaming Microsoft for this slip up.

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    01-11-2012 07:59 PM
  16. Premium1's Avatar
    the update cycle hasn't changed, Microsoft themselves have confirmed that. Carriers can skip an update if they deem it too small or insignificant but it'll be added to the next update which they're required to rollout. This "maintenance update" was probably not originally scheduled which is why Microsoft is giving the carriers the chance to skip it. If you all enjoy the Nexus more than Windows Phone great but go talk about it at android central and quit flaming Microsoft for this slip up.

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    Sorry that nobody can talk about what you use because it is perfect. I have a nexus and a trophy and thanks for the suggestion but if you don't like what I say ignore it. There is always room for improvement. Damn you are as bad as the android fanboys. smh
    Last edited by redraider133; 01-11-2012 at 08:29 PM.
    01-11-2012 08:07 PM
  17. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Agreed. The Nexus actually gets updates quicker than any Windows Phone. My brand new Titan is already two versions behind and there are bug fixes in those two releases that I would really like to have. So far I'm rather disappointed with the update situation. It's pretty much like Android.
    I would attribute this to the fact that google more than likely keeps quiet on the release of an update until its actually ready for its own device.

    Edit: I remember Microsoft tried to do this with Mango but there were too many OEMs to keep it quiet. Well that and HTC is leak central.
    01-11-2012 08:09 PM
  18. Premium1's Avatar
    I would attribute this to the fact that google more than likely keeps quiet on the release of an update until its actually ready for its own device.
    Usually Google announces the next update awhile ahead of time sort of the same way IOS and WP do it.
    01-11-2012 08:12 PM
  19. canesfan625's Avatar
    Carries can only pass one 1 update. The next one after has to be released and include the skipped one.
    01-11-2012 08:25 PM
  20. gtg465x's Avatar
    Carries can only pass one 1 update. The next one after has to be released and include the skipped one.
    If this turns out to be false I will hunt you down and throw a leaf at you.
    01-11-2012 09:39 PM
  21. jfa1's Avatar
    Thats what they said the policy was when nodo came!
    01-11-2012 10:06 PM
  22. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    No I'm pretty sure anybody that is knowledgable in this matter would know that there are less risks. You see, with Android it is precisely because it is open source that it is worse for updates. You see with Android, OEMs need to focus on compiling a brand new build for each and every device they have, as well as adjust and/or recompile each device's firmware to adjust for that new build. THEN as if that didn't take long enough, there is still the possibility that either google or the carrier rejects the build and/or firmware requiring the OEM to recheck their code (especially because Android is buggy as ****). Windows Phone on the other hand, Microsoft builds once for all devices hands it to OEMs for firmware adjustment and carriers for approval (which often more than not is accepted on the first shot since this OS is strictly controlled and virtually bugless compared to Android) what's the beauty of WP7? it's so organized because it is a closed source, controlled environment that we get updates faster than any Android device would dream of having. Now, tell me... Which part of the above explanation makes Windows Phone seem more "risky" in terms of OS updates? From where I'm standing Android is in a much worse position in terms of updates. Oh and that wasn't even mentioning the fact that most OEMs don't even bother with all that bull****, they just succumb to capitalism and create a new device six to eight weeks later (sometimes sooner) officially ****ing over previous owners of updates.
    I understand this, but I was talking about installing the 8107 update manually. When it comes to Android, its nearly impossible to brick your device because it's Linux. With Windows Phone you have a higher chance of errors and mistakes (from what I understand anyway).

    If this is untrue, and all the ***** stories I'm seeing over on XDA aren't really reflective of anything then I take it back. But people installing updates manually on a Windows Phone obviously aren't noobs at hacking and rooting, etc...
    01-11-2012 10:51 PM
  23. canesfan625's Avatar
    I understand this, but I was talking about installing the 8107 update manually. When it comes to Android, its nearly impossible to brick your device because it's Linux. With Windows Phone you have a higher chance of errors and mistakes (from what I understand anyway).

    If this is untrue, and all the ***** stories I'm seeing over on XDA aren't really reflective of anything then I take it back. But people installing updates manually on a Windows Phone obviously aren't noobs at hacking and rooting, etc...
    This is absolutely a big fat lie. You can brick an Android device with ease. Especially if you mess around with rooting/custom roms and you don't know what you are doing. I've seen people brick theirs just from having a incorrect radio/spl configuration.

    Thats what they said the policy was when nodo came!
    You aren't getting every little update that is released because they aren't all relative to your device. I.E Microsoft wont be feeding you an update to your phone that doesn't actually do anything.
    Last edited by Canesfan625; 01-11-2012 at 11:37 PM.
    01-11-2012 11:10 PM
  24. jrdatrackstar1223's Avatar
    This is absolutely a big fat lie. You can brick an Android device with ease. Especially if you mess around with rooting/custom roms and you don't know what you are doing. I've seen people brick theirs just from having a incorrect radio/spl configuration.



    You aren't getting every little update that is released because they aren't all relative to your device. I.E Microsoft wont be feeding you an update to your phone that doesn't actually do anything.
    Like I said, I would like to be wrong. I'm just going off of what I've seen (and read) about Windows Phone hacking, specifically related to this update. I went to the forum and looked at comments and I see nothing but people saying they're having problems here or there with their device after doing it. Not necessarily bricking, but just things missing or something not working when they're done installing 8107...etc...
    01-12-2012 07:08 AM
  25. Premium1's Avatar
    This is absolutely a big fat lie. You can brick an Android device with ease. Especially if you mess around with rooting/custom roms and you don't know what you are doing. I've seen people brick theirs just from having a incorrect radio/spl configuration.
    That is false, not to mention 99% of androids get released with the stock images so if anything goes wrong you can flash it back to stock and you are good to go. Can't really do that with wp.
    01-12-2012 09:21 AM
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