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  1. Roadkillin's Avatar
    you are confused! android is an OS, not a skin... touchwiz and sense are skins... so to say touchwiz isnt android doesnt make sense... i guess your right, these look nothing alike...
    THAT IS NOT THE TOUCHWIZ HOMESCREEN.

    That is comparing the app drawer of one phone to the homescreen of another. Take a gander over at my last post, and you will see what my homescreen looks like. It is much closer to what you get when using the phone than the App drawer.

    The android phone will ONLY look like that if you take the time to painstakingly pull every single app that you download from the app drawer and find a place for it on your homescreens. The system does not do that for you unless you flash a completely different, chinese made user skin on the phone.... or a couple of user made alternate launchers, such as Espier.

    Edit:
    Actually, sorry, that is the Galaxy S/SL picture I'd gather, but still it's just showing the app drawer. Try this picture comparison which is more apples to apples. You're at least comparing homescreens to homescreens.
    Last edited by Roadkillin; 01-27-2012 at 02:50 PM.
    01-27-2012 02:38 PM
  2. bear_lx's Avatar
    THAT IS NOT THE TOUCHWIZ HOMESCREEN.

    That is comparing the app drawer of one phone to the homescreen of another. Take a gander over at my last post, and you will see what my homescreen looks like. It is much closer to what you get when using the phone than the App drawer.

    The android phone will ONLY look like that if you take the time to painstakingly pull every single app that you download from the app drawer and find a place for it on your homescreens. The system does not do that for you unless you flash a completely different, chinese made user skin on the phone.... or a couple of user made alternate launchers, such as Espier.

    Edit:
    Actually, sorry, that is the Galaxy S/SL picture I'd gather, but still it's just showing the app drawer. Try this picture comparison which is more apples to apples. You're at least comparing homescreens to homescreens.
    ios doesnt have an app drawer, it is a series of homescreens, exactly like touchwiz's app drawer... point being the look identical. really you can make android look like anything you want? so none of this debate really matters, my point was they look alike. heck, there was a lawsuit against samsung for this exact reason... but i am gracefully bowing out of this debate because it is now becoming redundant.
    01-27-2012 03:22 PM
  3. koolkid09's Avatar
    you are confused! android is an OS, not a skin... touchwiz and sense are skins... so to say touchwiz isnt android doesnt make sense... i guess your right, these look nothing alike...
    Jesus Christ I'm dealing with an *****.

    Look Touchwiz is not Android. Android is Android. Touchwiz is a skin on top of Android.

    On the image you just showed me show the laucher of Touchwiz not the homescreen. I'm not saying Samsung didn't try to make Touchwiz look and feel like iOS, but as far as Android the way Google released it. It looks nothing like iOS.

    And you still haven't responded to this statement.

    "That's like saying Sense UI is Windows Mobile because the HD2 and HTC Touch Pro had Sense UI. It's ludicrous."

    Until you have a valid responds for that, your argument is ****.
    01-27-2012 03:36 PM
  4. Roadkillin's Avatar
    But, they don't look identical. There is a single part of the android OS that looks like iOS, but that is not even the basic resting point that the user sits on top of.

    Everything the user does is centered around and radiates from the homescreen. In WP7 this homescreen is called a start page, and is a grid of big squares. In iOS it is a grid of small squares with rounded corners. In Android it is a blank page that is populated to be as easy and intuitive for the individual using it.
    They can pull their applications over from a grid when they need them, but the area the user resides is not in the app drawer, but rather their home of their own making on their homescreens.

    You cannot say two operating systems look identical because there is a grid located somewhere within both of them. They look completely different, because the central point/hub of the operating system looks completely different, unless effort is taken to make them look identical.
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    01-27-2012 03:41 PM
  5. bear_lx's Avatar
    Jesus Christ I'm dealing with an *****.

    Look Touchwiz is not Android. Android is Android. Touchwiz is a skin on top of Android.

    On the image you just showed me show the laucher of Touchwiz not the homescreen. I'm not saying Samsung didn't try to make Touchwiz look and feel like iOS, but as far as Android the way Google released it. It looks nothing like iOS.

    And you still haven't responded to this statement.

    "That's like saying Sense UI is Windows Mobile because the HD2 and HTC Touch Pro had Sense UI. It's ludicrous."

    Until you have a valid responds for that, your argument is ****.
    not even going to go there kid, watch your mouth...
    01-27-2012 03:44 PM
  6. koolkid09's Avatar
    not even going to go there kid, watch your mouth...
    No, you just need to hush yours since you been spewing BS throughout this whole thread. You know nothing of iOS or Android. Your knowledge of these two operating systems comes off as if a Microsoft rep schooled you on the OSs.
    Last edited by koolkid09; 01-27-2012 at 03:55 PM. Reason: Rephrasing.
    01-27-2012 03:48 PM
  7. koolkid09's Avatar
    But, they don't look identical. There is a single part of the android OS that looks like iOS, but that is not even the basic resting point that the user sits on top of.

    Everything the user does is centered around and radiates from the homescreen. In WP7 this homescreen is called a start page, and is a grid of big squares. In iOS it is a grid of small squares with rounded corners. In Android it is a blank page that is populated to be as easy and intuitive for the individual using it.
    They can pull their applications over from a grid when they need them, but the area the user resides is not in the app drawer, but rather their home of their own making on their homescreens.

    You cannot say two operating systems look identical because there is a grid located somewhere within both of them. They look completely different, because the central point/hub of the operating system looks completely different, unless effort is taken to make them look identical.
    This! Fing This!
    01-27-2012 03:50 PM
  8. Big Supes's Avatar
    Kool it down, kid. There's no need to start throwing insults around.
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    01-27-2012 03:51 PM
  9. Major's Avatar
    Unfortunately this thread has been marred by needless insults, most of which originated from the same person.

    My original general description of Android was iOS with widgets and live wallpaper. I think the back and forth thusfar on this thread only strengthens this position. Clearly, one can choose to populate all their homescreens with widgets and not put a single app icon in Android, but most people will put at least some app icons on some pages. The rest (ie. status bar up top, static dock at the bottom) is strikingly similar on both iOS and Android.

    ICS is, amongst other things, an effort to differentiate Android from iOS (eg. going from hard-set buttons to rotating virtual buttons). Perhaps at some point Android will evolve to something truly unique, but at this point it remains (arguably) derivative of iOS.
    01-27-2012 04:04 PM
  10. koolkid09's Avatar
    Unfortunately this thread has been marred by needless insults, most of which originated from the same person.

    My original general description of Android was iOS with widgets and live wallpaper. I think the back and forth thusfar on this thread only strengthens this position. Clearly, one can choose to populate all their homescreens with widgets and not put a single app icon in Android, but most people will put at least some app icons on some pages. The rest (ie. status bar up top, static dock at the bottom) is strikingly similar on both iOS and Android.

    ICS is, amongst other things, an effort to differentiate Android from iOS (eg. going from hard-set buttons to rotating virtual buttons). Perhaps at some point Android will evolve to something truly unique, but at this point it remains (arguably) derivative of iOS.
    WP7 is a copycat of iOS 3. Black background, square icons with notification number, simplistic UI, started off without copy and paste, no real multitasking, no flash. Yep just another iPhone copycat.

    Or wait, is Microsoft trying to copy webOS with it's card view for task switching?
    See what I did there?
    Last edited by koolkid09; 01-27-2012 at 04:27 PM.
    01-27-2012 04:19 PM
  11. koolkid09's Avatar
    Kool it down, kid. There's no need to start throwing insults around.
    There's also no need for certain people to keep posting on the subject when they have NO IDEA what they are talking about.
    01-27-2012 04:20 PM
  12. bear_lx's Avatar
    There's also no need for certain people to keep posting on the subject when they have NO IDEA what they are talking about.
    lol, ok
    01-27-2012 04:41 PM
  13. Roadkillin's Avatar
    Unfortunately this thread has been marred by needless insults, most of which originated from the same person.

    My original general description of Android was iOS with widgets and live wallpaper. I think the back and forth thusfar on this thread only strengthens this position. Clearly, one can choose to populate all their homescreens with widgets and not put a single app icon in Android, but most people will put at least some app icons on some pages. The rest (ie. status bar up top, static dock at the bottom) is strikingly similar on both iOS and Android.
    But... even when people put icons on their homescreens they rarely put big grids of icons. Just the ones they want access to at a moments notice.

    With iOS no matter what you will have a series of 4x4 grids of icons.
    With WP7 you will have a 4x2 grid of big icons that show random pictures if you follow social networking and want to tell MS who you and all the people you know are, or nothing but numbers telling you how many missed calls/sms messages/other things you've received.
    Android is a blank slate, which has 4x4 slots for anything, you can put icons in some of these and get a substantial amount at that.

    BUT... the point is it takes substantial effort to fill screen after screen in order to get your beloved grid of icons while if you like you can still have your grid a tap away.
    01-27-2012 04:42 PM
  14. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    After looking at the posts I can see how koolkid's point has merit if one were to construe similarities in the strictest sense. However, I think when people say Android and iOS look similar they're referring to things in the more general sense; that is namely at first glance at both after all is said and done, one could come to the conclusion that the two look the same given one would see a 4x4 matrix of icons.

    Granted Android has widgets which would give provide updated information over a majority of static iOS apps but again, at first glance it's not an unreasonable conclusion.

    Contrasted with WP7 then and others like WebOS, again on first glance, I think some one would reasonably say those look different. Likewise there arguably is some strength to that assertion provided that the late Steve Jobs was pissed at Eric Schmidt for what he called a rip off of the iPhone.
    01-27-2012 08:13 PM
  15. wolf1891's Avatar
    Jesus Christ I'm dealing with an *****.

    Look Touchwiz is not Android. Android is Android. Touchwiz is a skin on top of Android.

    On the image you just showed me show the laucher of Touchwiz not the homescreen. I'm not saying Samsung didn't try to make Touchwiz look and feel like iOS, but as far as Android the way Google released it. It looks nothing like iOS.

    And you still haven't responded to this statement.

    "That's like saying Sense UI is Windows Mobile because the HD2 and HTC Touch Pro had Sense UI. It's ludicrous."

    Until you have a valid responds for that, your argument is ****.
    oh goodie...

    *gets the popcorn out and watches to see how much longer before this one to get stomped...*

    geez dude, I've had more than a few thoughts of various terms I could use to describe you over the course of this thread but, in the interest of civility I have thus far resisted those urges. You see, we try to disagree politely around here (and for the most part we manage it). If however you insist on being unnecessarily rude and insulting (which is usually a good sign of a weak arguement) then the mods will be along shortly to explain things to you a bit more bluntly. So please, be nice or go away.
    01-27-2012 10:35 PM
  16. koolkid09's Avatar
    After looking at the posts I can see how koolkid's point has merit if one were to construe similarities in the strictest sense. However, I think when people say Android and iOS look similar they're referring to things in the more general sense; that is namely at first glance at both after all is said and done, one could come to the conclusion that the two look the same given one would see a 4x4 matrix of icons.

    Granted Android has widgets which would give provide updated information over a majority of static iOS apps but again, at first glance it's not an unreasonable conclusion.

    Contrasted with WP7 then and others like WebOS, again on first glance, I think some one would reasonably say those look different. Likewise there arguably is some strength to that assertion provided that the late Steve Jobs was pissed at Eric Schmidt for what he called a rip off of the iPhone.
    At first glance to an uneducated user, everything looks like an iPhone because that is what people know.
    01-28-2012 01:21 AM
  17. koolkid09's Avatar
    oh goodie...

    *gets the popcorn out and watches to see how much longer before this one to get stomped...*

    geez dude, I've had more than a few thoughts of various terms I could use to describe you over the course of this thread but, in the interest of civility I have thus far resisted those urges. You see, we try to disagree politely around here (and for the most part we manage it). If however you insist on being unnecessarily rude and insulting (which is usually a good sign of a weak arguement) then the mods will be along shortly to explain things to you a bit more bluntly. So please, be nice or go away.
    So you had nothing to add to the discussion? Thanks for further derailing this topic.
    01-28-2012 01:21 AM
  18. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    At first glance to an uneducated user, everything looks like an iPhone because that is what people know.
    And that's supposed to make a difference? The point is that neither of you is really wrong, and arguing over strict dichotomies is kind of lame.
    01-28-2012 02:13 AM
  19. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    Wait, so what are we all arguing about again?
    01-28-2012 02:31 AM
  20. Pronk's Avatar
    OK, before this goes thermonuclear, here's my thinking:

    For comparison purposes, two OSs that look genuinely different: the Xbox dashboard and the PS3 xmb interface.

    Two OSs that look similar in some capacities even though they don't operate identically: Android and iOS (and WebOS, and BB OS, and to a lesser extent WP)

    That's it.
    01-28-2012 03:33 AM
  21. bear_lx's Avatar
    it already went thermonuclear, lol... its funny when people get so upset over a forum blog they have to start throwing insults... i guess we are all very passionate about our electronics!
    01-28-2012 08:48 AM
  22. wolf1891's Avatar
    So you had nothing to add to the discussion? Thanks for further derailing this topic.

    oooo.... wow, I've really been put in my place now. I totally forgot that you were the only person here who's opinions and ideas matter. :rolleyes:

    okay seriously, if you got nothing out of what I had to say then I'm done with you because I've really got better things to do than bother with your type, be it on this forum or any others. I thought it MIGHT be worth a try to see if you would be willing to listen to some friendly advice to be civil but, clearly not the case so, welcome to my ignore list.
    01-28-2012 09:23 AM
  23. Major's Avatar
    oooo.... wow, I've really been put in my place now. I totally forgot that you were the only person here who's opinions and ideas matter. :rolleyes:

    okay seriously, if you got nothing out of what I had to say then I'm done with you because I've really got better things to do than bother with your type, be it on this forum or any others. I thought it MIGHT be worth a try to see if you would be willing to listen to some friendly advice to be civil but, clearly not the case so, welcome to my ignore list.
    Some people come here just to start trouble. Don't let it get to you. The majority of the people that participate in this forum are respectful and polite. It's a shame that some people weren't taught better manners growing up.
    01-28-2012 02:01 PM
  24. koolkid09's Avatar
    Some people come here just to start trouble. Don't let it get to you. The majority of the people that participate in this forum are respectful and polite. It's a shame that some people weren't taught better manners growing up.
    I did not come to start trouble. I usually just lurked here. But people here are so uneducated on the competition and they look very ignorant when trying to back their statement.

    What I hate more than anything on the internet is fanboys. Using anything they dont agree with to call someone a troll. I've been Caledonia a troll on AC because I complained about the Nexus update. Same on Precentral to.

    I'm just trying to educate that's all.

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
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    01-28-2012 04:52 PM
  25. Seketh's Avatar
    I did not come to start trouble. I usually just lurked here. But people here are so uneducated on the competition and they look very ignorant when trying to back their statement.

    What I hate more than anything on the internet is fanboys. Using anything they dont agree with to call someone a troll. I've been Caledonia a troll on AC because I complained about the Nexus update. Same on Precentral to.

    I'm just trying to educate that's all.

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
    There's educating, and then there's being a fanboy. You're being a fanboy.

    Look, do iOS and Android look alike? Yes. You know what else looks like iOS and Android? Bada, Symbian, BB OS, Web OS... I don't care about grids or whatever, they all have the same icon-based design concepts. If you can't admit it, you're a fanboy.

    Windows Phone is the only one of those that looks truly different and unique. Get over it.
    01-28-2012 06:09 PM
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