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  1. mmaman's Avatar
    He is partly right though Sawwwnik.

    Though personally for me, Windows Phone will be complete once the Lumia 900 comes to the states. My major problem was the lack of LTE, that really made WP7 seem behind. Funtionality wise, WP7 offers 80% of what I want.
    To be honest with you I cant think of one thing besides 32gb that I would need from the 900, screen is big and res is good (hd would be nice but wvga is good), camera is great, lte, build and looks are fantastic (att logo is wack lol), ffc, proc is good, ram is good, honestly what else do I need?

    As I said the 16gb only irks me but im sure I'll adjust. Just gotta manage my music.
    01-24-2012 09:55 PM
  2. Zumanity's Avatar
    Ok so in my area there are like 3 people who are willing to do the trade, Im just not sure though.....

    here are some random thoughts (might be a lot and in no order):

    1.it is very weird, in one end I love the look, font, smoothness of WP7 but at the same time it seems like its a little TOO simple? Like at least on IOS you can put backgrounds and stuff, I dunno.

    2.How is the camera on the 800?

    3.I hear some complaints about pentile display? Whats all that about?

    4.Let me look at my phone, heres what I use the most:shoutcast radio, netflix, pandora, last fm, paypal, ebay, flashlight, nba game time, justintv, and a bunch of random games.

    5.I hear the apps are getting higher and higher in count, but im not expecting it to have the amount or quality of games that IOS has.

    6.Are there a lot of free games? And I hear that WP7 apps are more $$, whats up with that?


    Overall I think the looks of the lumia 800 are awesome! better then iphone! As far as whats holding me back its mainly 2 things: The OS its self, on one end it looks amazing, but I question if it will last or catch on (it seems it hasnt as of yet) and 2 memory, 16gb is kinda annoying especially since I have 32gb with my iPhone....are putting AVI and Divx files on WP7 hard? Also aside from no FFC (dont care too much tbh) anything else missing?
    1) The Operating system is designed to be radically different in looks from iOS or Android. Otherwise it would just be another copy of the original designer, iOS. It might seem simple, but if you invest time into actually studying how your phone OS works and helps, its on par or beyond iOS/Andr (ex, time it takes to do an everyday task).

    2) Nokia is known (or they say they are known) for their quality camera designs and optics. The Lumia 800 is 8MP with Carl Zeis. I haven't tested it my self, but it looks good. Not sure if the Carl Zeis does any real improvements other than the fancy name, but oh well.

    Also as a side note. Since you're in the U.S, I'd recommend going for U.S market phones, such as the Lumia 900 or even the HTC titan. The Lumia 800 seems geared toward the European audience, which in many countries in the EU, are not keen (or dont really care) about front facing, CPU etc etc. Since you're on the 800 I'll talk about that (which is just hardware differences, the OS is virtually the same on all WP phones).

    3) Pentile Display - The controversy surrounding this (to what I understand at least) is that the claims of pentile (i.e making better colours) can be debated. Pentile is a trademark of Samsung, so they use it mostly. It's basically saying that Pentile uses the green pixels the most, which is most sensitive to the human eye. But the controversy is if pentile really does improve images by using that method. Again I'm not an expert on this, just have a basic understanding. Honestly you shouldn't even worry about it. It's not a defined technology yet, and people may actually see the other displays much better.

    Thanks Felon, corrected argument about Pentile - http://www.phonearena.com/news/Super...d-back_id18700

    4) Windows Phone 7 is a new Operating System in terms of how it functions. It's a new eco-system and Microsoft as a whole company is developing a new eco-system that drives them towards their future goals. Microsoft has always been a company that sort of jumps in behind everyone else (in terms of new ventures, the PC Operating system has always been Microsofts strong suit, and they usually are first in announcing things for that), and in some/most cases ends up ahead. This is probably because they watch whats happening, and adapt/offer good or better products. Hate or love Microsoft, they are the biggest name in software. You might say they "copy" other companies. But in all honesty the goal is to offer better solutions and innovative ideas to make solutions better. That's not copying, just offering better stuff. Apple has done this very successfully.

    Windows Phone 7 is reported to have around 60,000 apps. Thats pretty amazing for a new system. I always see people commenting saying "well it does not have as many as Apple or Android". Well duh, that's really obvious. Apple never started with over 100k apps, they built their way up over the years. Apple was the first one to offer an "App Store" thats why their app store filled up so quickly. Companies saw a potential profit yield and went after it. Then Android came in, they grew slower, but again they were #2, so companies saw an opportunity. With Microsoft, I can guess that the CEO and high ups were looking at this market trend, and saw Windows Mobile fall flat, they studied some more and built an OS system that's different from the leaders, and works in different ways. So now the Marketplace is growing, and you see companies jumping in to make a yield in profit. Give it time, it'll be up there.

    Sorry for going on a rant, now to your apps.

    Shoutcast Radio - Not that exact name, but the OS has many apps such as TuneIn that serve as great, or even better alternatives.

    Netflix - Yes (free app)

    Pandora - No, but many alternatives such as MetroRadio, TuneIn, Slacker, etc. (The official Pandora should be coming in the near future)

    Last Fm - Yes (free)

    Paypal - No (no alternatives worth using, and when I say worth, I mean safe and with the authenticity of PayPal standards)

    eBay - Yes (Free)

    Flashlight - Yes (many + free)

    NBA Game Time - Not the exact name (but many alternatives that are free and very good - Such as NBA Pro)

    JustinTV - No (my personal opinion is this is a horrible stream service)

    Random Games - Tons - Xbox Live offers some free games, mostly paid, and there is a free category for Free Games (many which are excellent) - See here http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/games?list=free



    5) The OS of Windows is different, compared to OS. Quality is set by the hardware of the phone, so since windows phone is offered on many different smartphones, the quality might differ. iOS is only on the iPod Touch, iPhone, and iPad. All iPhone 4S's are the same (except for capacity).

    I can tell you on my HD7 the quality is great. On games that are available for both platforms, the options and controls are very VERY similar.

    Also please remember, when people say "I tell you" or "this is better" it's their opinion. In a consumer world, its based on opinion. You might like this device or OS better, but it's not the same for everyone. We perceive things, things do not perceive us. So it's always subjective. Just because I say it's better, does not mean it's better for your (necessarily).

    6) Refer back to my link for free games

    WP7 Apps are expensive because it's a new platform. Devs want to make as much money as they are on different platforms. So for example an app might be 99 cents on Android and 2.99 on WP7. It's 99 cents on Android because android has a much larger USER BASE than WP7, so they theoretically can make a lot of money. It's 2.99 on WP7 because the Devs want to make as much money as they would on Android, but they know that WP7 has a smaller user base, so they lift the price to compensate for that (again, i'm not an employee for any dev or software team, so this is just my opinion based on study).

    Storage)

    I highlighted in another post that I think the reason for 16GB storage is that Microsoft might be trying to take a different approach to their eco-system. Even though a Windows Phone has max 16GB storage at this time, Microsoft gives you 25GB of SkyDrive for free. They want you to store your pictures, documents, and other things (not sure on music) in SkyDrive, so you can use it. So Microsoft basically wants you to think like this. "Buy a 16GB Windows Phone, and add 25GB to it with SkyDrive. That makes 41GB!!!" (41 is an odd number, but then again please mind the restrictions SkyDrive might have). Now of course, we have to wait and see if this pays off. I predict higher storage and vast differences to start with Apollo is released. It's like the initial "Get your bases loaded" approach, then start targeting the normalcy's of the U.S market (64, 32 GB phones, Dual core etc). With the Dual Core thing, Windows Phone is super smooth on a single core, imagine how fast a Dual core would be with such a light OS (light as in, non-clunky, not light as in feature wise light). For me 16GB is fine. I'd love more, since I used to own a 32GB iPhone.

    Time will tell

    Good luck with your search.
    Last edited by Zumanity; 01-25-2012 at 12:35 PM.
    01-24-2012 11:01 PM
  3. HeyCori's Avatar
    ^Great post.
    01-24-2012 11:05 PM
  4. anon(27512)'s Avatar
    Sweet! So I'm not the only one switching from a 4S. I'm really interested in the lumia 900, but not so much in staying with AT&T. Does anyone know if Verizon will get a version of the 900? Also to the op, what made you want to switch? Boredom? That's my reason....
    01-24-2012 11:10 PM
  5. Fleon's Avatar
    Ok guys thanks. Im not completely sure what I will do but I'll wait a bit, at the end of the day I dont need crazy specs if the OS runs fast and smooth, also as far as apps, aside from the ones I listed and some games here and there I dont need much either, like I said, the tiles look a little too simple but the rest of the UI looks amazing imo, the font is wow! I'll stick with iphone for now and perhaps get the 900 when out but like I said the main problem I have with WP7 is 16gb only, I mean its not THAT bad but ive been so spoiled with 32gb.

    ...

    BTW on a side note, I did have the focus at launch and loved it, just had to get rid of it because of missing features (which mago fixed) so I do really like the OS, just not sure if I was sold 100% on the titles, regardless it left an impression on me that has me yearning for it since launch, its just the things I listed are holding me back.
    As far as out-of-the-box, I think WP7 is better than iOS. I also thought the tiles would be a bit dull, but once you find 4-5 apps with live tiles, it's a no-brainer and- in my opinion- considerably better looking as an OS. Pre-Mango, this certainly wasn't true but the last 6 months have seen major changes.

    Storage is another story, but with more apps supporting Skydrive storage, it's considerably less of an issue than you might think. One thing I can do that none of my iOS friends can do is access my 100GB of photos from the phone in a native manner. They all have to launch apps, compress stuff, etc- it's much smoother for me. Add to that the integration of Office with Skydrive, the ability to play music from Skydrive, and more 3rd party apps doing Skydrive storage- the issue of space is less concerning than it would be with an Android or iOS device.

    Would I have sprung for a 32GB Titan? Yes. Does it really bother me that much? No.

    (To the nitpickers who will say "Skydrive doesn't let you store 100GB!" I say - I have 4 family accounts with 25GB of photos on each. I simply pin the albums and voila, there you go. Oh, and I share those albums from skydrive with family and friends, so we don't have to duplicate space constantly. Now that's cool.)
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    01-24-2012 11:32 PM
  6. Fleon's Avatar
    1) T

    3) Pentile Display - The controversy surrounding this (to what I understand at least) is that the claims of pentile (i.e making better colours) can be debated. Pentile is a trademark of Samsung, so they use it mostly. It's basically saying that Pentile uses the green pixels the most, which is most sensitive to the human eye. But the controversy is if pentile really does improve images by using that method. Again I'm not an expert on this, just have a basic understanding. Honestly you shouldn't even worry about it. It's not a defined technology yet, and people may actually see the other displays much better.
    Tiny bit off on the pentile problem. The major issue most people see with Pentile is the pixel arrangement, not the green pixel base. In essence, Pentile displays are equivalent to displays with significantly fewer pixels- making images, text, etc much less sharp looking. Take a look at this article for more info:

    Super AMOLED Plus vs Super AMOLED: to the PenTile matrix and back
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    01-24-2012 11:35 PM
  7. welsbloke's Avatar
    I could not recommend the 800 based on the poor battery. I know the iPhones are not hot in this department either but this is a real issue for me to recommend that phone without at least that caveat.

    If on the otherhand you are tolerant of the poor battery and for some this issue has gone away with the recent firmware updates just not for me yet then I can recommend the phone.

    I can on the otherhand recommend WP7, you may not have all those apps but you have the majority or alternatives. You have plenty of map choices and the GPS is an integral part of the device in both the localscout and Nokia drive so you should be catered for.

    Waiting for the 900 does not seem like an option based on your feedback. I would however suggest you could sell the phone and purchase and pocket the difference but maybe that would be a UK experience as we have both devices readily available.

    I recently purchased on Ebay a second hand Omnia 7 (Still my favourite first generation phone) for 110 delivered not tied to a network and whilst I was trawling around I noticed second hand 4S devices going for quadruple that and the Lumia 800's foing for around 250-300 in excellent condition so you should be able to profit.
    01-25-2012 05:13 AM
  8. Big Supes's Avatar
    *Cough* Lumia 900 FTW! *cough*
    01-25-2012 05:23 AM
  9. mmaman's Avatar
    Well heres my problem specificlly, maybe you cans can help me devise a plan;

    I had an iphone 4 black 32gb, I sold it on ebay for $520, took that money and bought a 4S 32gb white. All was fine, now the buyer wants a refund which im probably gonna have to give to him. Now I have $100 in my paypal, I can sell this 4S on ebay and hopefully get a lot, lets say I sell at $700-520+100=$280 I can then either sell the iphone 4 for at least 300 or just keep it until a real good wp7 comes out then sell it.

    So yea lets see how much I get for the 4S first and I'll go from there. But March is not too far away for the 900.
    01-25-2012 10:40 AM
  10. mmaman's Avatar
    So I can either stay with the IP4 or sell it and get a wp right now. Whatyou guys recommend?
    01-25-2012 10:41 AM
  11. Reflexx's Avatar
    I'd wait just a little bit.

    Even if you don't end up going with the Lumia 900, the Lumia 800 will likely be significantly cheaper in a few months.
    01-25-2012 10:48 AM
  12. based_graham's Avatar
    I would sell it and pick up a Lumia 800 but like what many others said wait until the Lumia 900 arrives because that phone is built for American consumers.
    01-25-2012 10:48 AM
  13. mmaman's Avatar
    So what would I miss from the 900 by getting the 800?

    Bigger Screen
    LTE
    FFC

    ....and thats it? Dosnt seem like to much but still LTE should be nice.
    01-25-2012 11:36 AM
  14. Reflexx's Avatar
    So what would I miss from the 900 by getting the 800?

    Bigger Screen
    LTE
    FFC

    ....and thats it? Dosnt seem like to much but still LTE should be nice.
    Better screen tech
    A better camera

    You did mention that the camera is important to you. And the Lumia 900 will have a different, and better, camera than the Lumia 800.

    I don't know if it will be as good as the N8's camera though.
    01-25-2012 11:40 AM
  15. N8ter's Avatar
    I'd stay with iPhone if you want the best monetary investment. They maintain their value much better than anything else on the market. You can almost fund yearly upgrades selling your old iPhone. That's something that had to be mentioned.

    I'm over buying for dollars and selling for pennies. Are you? LOL

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    01-25-2012 11:43 AM
  16. mmaman's Avatar
    I'd stay with iPhone if you want the best monetary investment. They maintain their value much better than anything else on the market. You can almost fund yearly upgrades selling your old iPhone. That's something that had to be mentioned.

    I'm over buying for dollars and selling for pennies. Are you? LOL

    Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
    extremely true, I remember before the 4S came out I sold a regular black IP4 32gb for 700$....wtf.

    You better sell your android or wp7 very quickly if you wanna get a good amount from them, cause after a couple of months the price drops quick! Thats why Im gonna buy the 900 outright rather then use my upgrade in March. I'll just save my upgrade for something truly special.
    01-25-2012 11:47 AM
  17. mmaman's Avatar
    Better screen tech
    A better camera

    You did mention that the camera is important to you. And the Lumia 900 will have a different, and better, camera than the Lumia 800.

    I don't know if it will be as good as the N8's camera though.
    I do like to have a nice camera but most cameras now a days are sufficient for me, still though having an awesome camera is well......awesome!
    01-25-2012 11:48 AM
  18. bear_lx's Avatar
    iphone 4 is selling for around 300 now on ebay. i am selling mine right now, and buying a brand new htc trophy for 200. i know it is an older model wp7, but it is all verizon has for now... i will get the nokia 900 when they get it this summer...

    so i would say jumping from ios to wp7 is a good thing, i have had every phone under the sun and i most enjoy the wp7 devices... especially zune!!!!
    01-25-2012 05:30 PM
  19. based_graham's Avatar
    Better screen tech
    A better camera

    You did mention that the camera is important to you. And the Lumia 900 will have a different, and better, camera than the Lumia 800.

    I don't know if it will be as good as the N8's camera though.
    I think its the same camera they used on the 900. I heard Nokia briefly mentioning a software upgrade fix but I am going to assume thats all going to come with Tango.

    I wouldn't be suprissed I think the main reason why they didn't launch the 900 right away is because they are waiting for the official Tango release. I am going to assume Lumia is going to be using Tango
    01-25-2012 05:40 PM
  20. selfcreation's Avatar
    FYI! Pentile screens are what makes it GOOD! .. i dont know why people assume its bad...

    800 and 710 dont have penlite .. and the 900 does... and the 900 looks MUCH better yet all 3 of the have AMOLED...( not aAMOLED HD or + .. regular old AMOLED )

    and other reason you should switch si that your using 6 year old phone... ( 6 years old cause its the same freaking thing as the first Iphone ) sorry i forgot they got SIRI and duel-core... LOL! ;)
    01-25-2012 05:42 PM
  21. mmaman's Avatar
    FYI! Pentile screens are what makes it GOOD! .. i dont know why people assume its bad...

    800 and 710 dont have penlite .. and the 900 does... and the 900 looks MUCH better yet all 3 of the have AMOLED...( not aAMOLED HD or + .. regular old AMOLED )

    and other reason you should switch si that your using 6 year old phone... ( 6 years old cause its the same freaking thing as the first Iphone ) sorry i forgot they got SIRI and duel-core... LOL! ;)
    Source? Im pretty sure the 800 is pentile and the 900 is NOT pentile.

    Nokia themselves said it.

    Nokia confirms Lumia 900 doesn't have Pentile display - Engadget
    01-25-2012 07:13 PM
  22. mmaman's Avatar
    Another thing is I like the small phones, as I said Ive gotten used to the 4S and its small screen so 3.7 inches on about the same size would be nice, the 900 looks pretty big, I like the small quality feel of the 4S and assuming 800.

    So not sure complety, gonna be tempting to get the 800 as I can get it right now.

    We'll see.
    01-25-2012 07:16 PM
  23. N8ter's Avatar
    FYI! Pentile screens are what makes it GOOD! .. i dont know why people assume its bad...

    800 and 710 dont have penlite .. and the 900 does... and the 900 looks MUCH better yet all 3 of the have AMOLED...( not aAMOLED HD or + .. regular old AMOLED )

    and other reason you should switch si that your using 6 year old phone... ( 6 years old cause its the same freaking thing as the first Iphone ) sorry i forgot they got SIRI and duel-core... LOL! ;)
    PenTile I'd only good on HD screens. Its trash on even qHD screens. The pixilation is noticeable. It only "disappears" at high PPI levels, like on the galaxy nexus.

    there's only deficits to pentile on a WVGA screen. Too many of us have had 4" SAMOLED screens to drink that Kool-Aid. LOL

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    01-25-2012 08:34 PM
  24. Chinocop's Avatar
    I'm not trying to troll or anything, but this should give you pause when purchasing an Apple product. Now mind you, other companies do the same thing; however, it really puts things into perspective where our gadgets come from. Unfortunately, my family is guilty as well because, much to my chagrin, we do have Apple products. Something to chew on.

    Thanks,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/bu...nted=1&_r=4&hp
    01-25-2012 10:46 PM
  25. mmaman's Avatar
    Ok I decided what im gonna do!

    Im gonna get the 800 and sell everything, when the iphone 5 comes I'll get it but I'll still keep the 800 and just have both OS! Who knows maybe by that time WP will have drawn me so in that its all WP for me, still im set on this idea, I like the smaller feel of the 800 over the 900 and I really dont need lte or a ffc anytime soon, cant wait!
    01-26-2012 12:31 AM
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