1. illegaloperation's Avatar
    Windows Phones are about a month away from its official debut in China. As a result, I feel a compelling need to discuss the mobile phone industry in China.

    There are three mobile network operators in China: China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom, but just listing their names doesn't give a sense of scale.

    In January 2011, China Mobile had 589.28 million subscribers while China Unicom and China Telecom had 169.7 million and 94.1 million respectively. China Mobile is the world's biggest mobile network operator. Clearly, China is a huge market that Windows Phone can take advantage of, but there are complications.

    In 2009, the Chinese network operators began rolling out their 3G networks, but each use a different mobile standard. China Unicom uses W-CDMA UMTS and China Telecom uses CDMA2000 1xEV-DO: both of which are currently supported by Windows Phone.

    China Mobile, on the other hand, uses TD-SCDMA which is China's homegrown 3G standard. TD-SCDMA is use by China Mobile and no other mobile network operator. As a result, only a few models of phones run on this network. iPhone, for example, operates on China Unicom's and China Telecom's 3G networks, but not on China Mobile's 3G network.

    If Windows Phones do support TD-SCDMA, this leaves them to compete with only a handful Android and Symbian devices (and one BlackBerry) and to tap the user base of the world's biggest mobile network operator.
    02-20-2012 10:36 PM
  2. HeyCori's Avatar
    Sounds good. Maybe you should let Microsoft know...
    02-20-2012 10:39 PM
  3. illegaloperation's Avatar
    Sounds good. Maybe you should let Microsoft know...
    From what I understand, Nokia is already pushing Microsoft for TD-SCDMA support.
    02-20-2012 11:10 PM
  4. palandri's Avatar
    Does the iPhone that they started selling in China support TD-SCDMA?
    02-20-2012 11:21 PM
  5. alzaeem's Avatar
    I can tell you that this there is a WP build specifically targeted for TD-SCDMA, and slated for release in March (as of 6 months ago when I saw the info). At the time I wondered why it was so important, but now I know. (and who am I? I am no body ;)
    02-20-2012 11:58 PM
  6. illegaloperation's Avatar
    Does the iPhone that they started selling in China support TD-SCDMA?
    Nope, it does not support TD-SCDMA.

    The model selling in China is identical to the model selling in the US and elsewhere.
    02-21-2012 12:56 AM
  7. illegaloperation's Avatar
    I can tell you that this there is a WP build specifically targeted for TD-SCDMA, and slated for release in March (as of 6 months ago when I saw the info). At the time I wondered why it was so important, but now I know. (and who am I? I am no body ;)
    I hope so. China Mobile is the 800 lb gorilla in China.
    02-21-2012 02:48 PM
  8. selfcreation's Avatar
    i think its time for CHINA to Upgrade to LTE!
    02-21-2012 02:54 PM
  9. jfa1's Avatar
    I am sure its coming its just a matter of time They have it in Japan.
    02-21-2012 02:59 PM
  10. selfcreation's Avatar
    I am sure its coming its just a matter of time They have it in Japan.
    but why? its like asking MS to support windows 3.1 again.... i guess they have a big market, but man you would think a place like china would be ruing on NEW tech and not 10 year old tech..


    not to mention making CDMA phones is more expensive.
    02-21-2012 03:01 PM
  11. threed61's Avatar
    but why? its like asking MS to support windows 3.1 again.... i guess they have a big market, but man you would think a place like china would be ruing on NEW tech and not 10 year old tech..


    not to mention making CDMA phones is more expensive.
    589.28 million reasons
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    02-21-2012 03:08 PM
  12. illegaloperation's Avatar
    i think its time for CHINA to Upgrade to LTE!
    China Mobile, China Unicom, and China Telecom were only given 3G licenses as recent as 2009.

    China Mobile has been testing TD-LTE (which is different from FD-LTE that carriers such as Verizon Wireless and AT&T use) in several cities, but it will be a while before the Chinese government give China Mobile the operating license for TD-LTE. To give you an idea of how long, TD-SCDMA trials started in 2006.

    I am sure its coming its just a matter of time They have it in Japan.
    Like I said above, it will be a while.
    02-21-2012 07:06 PM
  13. illegaloperation's Avatar
    589.28 million reasons
    That was a year ago. China Mobile now has 649.56 millions subscribers.
    02-21-2012 07:09 PM
  14. palandri's Avatar
    Nope, it does not support TD-SCDMA.

    The model selling in China is identical to the model selling in the US and elsewhere.
    I wonder why Apple didn't support TD-SCDMA with 650 million subscribers? Is there a lot cloning or something on the TD-SCDMA network? There has to be reason why they bypassed TD-SCDMA.
    02-21-2012 09:31 PM
  15. illegaloperation's Avatar
    I wonder why Apple didn't support TD-SCDMA with 650 million subscribers? Is there a lot cloning or something on the TD-SCDMA network? There has to be reason why they bypassed TD-SCDMA.
    Apple did made TD-SCDMA iPhone prototype for China Mobile, but China Mobile wants a cut of sales from the App Store which is a No No for Apple.
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    02-21-2012 10:11 PM
  16. palandri's Avatar
    Apple did made TD-SCDMA iPhone prototype for China Mobile, but China Mobile wants a cut of sales from the App Store which is a No No for Apple.
    Ok, now it makes sense.
    02-21-2012 10:18 PM
  17. illegaloperation's Avatar
    Ok, now it makes sense.
    Exactly. Depends on that contracts that Microsoft/Google/OEMs/etc. make with carriers, some carriers get sale cut from Windows Phone Marketplace/Android Market/other application stores.
    02-21-2012 10:50 PM
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