1. condemned's Avatar
    AT&T is the only carrier in the United States getting all the top Windows phones. T-Mobile has the Radar and Lumia (ugly phone) and no longer sells the HD7/DVP. Verizon and Sprint only have one windows phone.

    And to top it off, the Lumia 900 is supposedly exclusive to ATT until Q3 this year and by that time it'll be unappealing compared to other phones that will be released even on other platforms.

    I like Windows phone but at the moment, the only one that really appeals to me is the Lumia 900, which of course won't be available to anyone else but ATT until Q3, which of course will probably be AFTER the release of the next iPhone.

    Dumb move by Nokia. They're just shooting themselves in the foot once again.
    03-09-2012 06:41 AM
  2. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    Yeah, carrier availability is really poor for most WP7 devices. At least T-Mobile is pushing the Lumia 710 hard.
    03-09-2012 07:35 AM
  3. ljkelley's Avatar
    AT&T is the only carrier in the United States getting all the top Windows phones. T-Mobile has the Radar and Lumia (ugly phone) and no longer sells the HD7/DVP. Verizon and Sprint only have one windows phone.

    And to top it off, the Lumia 900 is supposedly exclusive to ATT until Q3 this year and by that time it'll be unappealing compared to other phones that will be released even on other platforms.

    I like Windows phone but at the moment, the only one that really appeals to me is the Lumia 900, which of course won't be available to anyone else but ATT until Q3, which of course will probably be AFTER the release of the next iPhone.

    Dumb move by Nokia. They're just shooting themselves in the foot once again.
    You would be correct except for the fact that the Radar 4G and Lumia 710 are selling way more than the HD7 and DVP ever did.

    And the marketshare numbers are not 100% the representation you think. First Windows Mobile 6.x devices are still in this figures. Second the smartphone market is growing so while for example 6 million devices would have be 10% a few years back, now its more like 3% (only example figures).
    03-09-2012 07:42 AM
  4. ubizmo's Avatar
    You would be correct except for the fact that the Radar 4G and Lumia 710 are selling way more than the HD7 and DVP ever did.
    Currently, they are #2 and #3 of T-Mobile US's three highest rated smartphones. Only the Galaxy 2S is rated higher.
    03-09-2012 08:18 AM
  5. Thuoudo's Avatar
    Years ago, Nokia said they were not going to make any more CDMA phones (Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular). The last one on USCC I can recall was the 6265i from probably 2006.

    I definitely can't blame Nokia for not wanting to make a special US-only version of a phone they already sell millions of on GSM networks.
    03-09-2012 12:00 PM
  6. selfcreation's Avatar
    Years ago, Nokia said they were not going to make any more CDMA phones (Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular). The last one on USCC I can recall was the 6265i from probably 2006.

    I definitely can't blame Nokia for not wanting to make a special US-only version of a phone they already sell millions of on GSM networks.
    same thing happen at BELL here in Canada , ZERO CDMA support from Nokia. then we got HSPA and Nokia was the first one to make a phone for us LOL!

    CDMA is a CRAP connection, it maxes out at 3MB ( LTE goes to 50-75MB , do the math LOL ) + CDMA chips cost more to make sooo.

    100% waste of cash to make CDMA phones now a dayz. if your carrier is ONLY on CDMA then I suggest LEAVING ASAP! for a carrier that doesn't use 10year old out dated slow technologies. lol
    03-09-2012 12:11 PM
  7. eric12341's Avatar
    same thing happen at BELL here in Canada , ZERO CDMA support from Nokia. then we got HSPA and Nokia was the first one to make a phone for us LOL!

    CDMA is a CRAP connection, it maxes out at 3MB ( LTE goes to 50-75MB , do the math LOL ) + CDMA chips cost more to make sooo.

    100% waste of cash to make CDMA phones now a dayz. if your carrier is ONLY on CDMA then I suggest LEAVING ASAP! for a carrier that doesn't use 10year old out dated slow technologies. lol
    on sprint I was lucky to even get 500kb/s and was excited when I did get it. As for the topic at hand, market share sucks but yet the lumia and radar are selling at T-mobile. I don't understand the logic, the logic in this op of the thread is a failure at best.
    03-09-2012 12:28 PM
  8. borjeboy's Avatar
    You guys are just to funny. First of all america isn't the world it's a country.. And also Lumia 710 was number 3 on T-mobile in the us in feburary and from what i have heard no WP7 phone has had that high number for them before.. But you should be happy you get the LTE version of Lumia 900 in the US. It's not coming with LTE in sweden. Probably because there isn't so many carriers that have it, and also its just the big towns that has LTE...
    03-09-2012 04:38 PM
  9. jfa1's Avatar
    the international 900 at least in Germany is dual channel HSPA+ which is supposedly 82 mbps which is crazy fast for North America. Its mostly in the larger areas in Amrica I think my area is getting it probably early next year.
    03-09-2012 07:21 PM
  10. paradiseware.com's Avatar
    With WiFi so pervasive, the sluggish CDMA of Sprint isn't a problem. Especially since their prices are lower, I wish they would get a better WP.

    Sent from my Lumia 800 using Board Express
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    03-09-2012 08:04 PM
  11. eric12341's Avatar
    With WiFi so pervasive, the sluggish CDMA of Sprint isn't a problem. Especially since their prices are lower, I wish they would get a better WP.

    Sent from my Lumia 800 using Board Express

    It is a problem if you're paying $96 a month for it as part of a bs "premium data" charge.
    03-09-2012 08:39 PM
  12. brad4560's Avatar
    I feel that nokia, microsoft, t-mobile, and at&t should be commended for their efforts in the just the past 6 months. Their product, both phone, and OS, are getting better, no the windows phone platform isn't perfect. but at least we have a little more choice, and better things are to come. Sprint and Verizon are so android centric right now, it's not even funny, but maybe they will see the light :)
    03-09-2012 09:42 PM
  13. Mr_pither's Avatar
    Thanks to AT&T for what? Blocking OS updates after 7720 for kicks? Going back to NODO 'cause that worked so well, killing all the Mango Update good will that was created? I'm really thinking I screwed up by leaving a hardware maker that has balls and does not let the carrier run the show like MicroSOFT appears to be doing now. :mad:
    03-09-2012 09:59 PM
  14. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    You guys are just to funny. First of all america isn't the world it's a country.
    The United States is a very large and very strategic country. Losing out the United States is comparable to losing the entire European continent. That's a lot of customers!

    These happen to be wealthy and highly lucrative customers, unlike those in developing nations such as China or India. (Refer to Nokia and RIM sales/stock.) I'd go so far as to say that the US accounts for 50%+ of consumers really worth having in this industry, since Eastern/Southern European nations are not worth as much.

    The United States is also a technological stronghold. For example, iOS, Android, and Windows Phone are all developed by American corporations as well as desktop OSes such as Windows, Mac OSX, and a number of Linux distros.

    CDMA is a CRAP connection, it maxes out at 3MB ( LTE goes to 50-75MB , do the math LOL ) + CDMA chips cost more to make sooo.
    CDMA is a 2G technology. LTE is a 3G/4G technology. They are not comparable at all. A phone can have both CDMA and LTE connections, such as those on the Verizon network. Sprint's data sucks because of its 3G network. It has 0 to do with CDMA. CDMA is directly comparable to GSM.
    Last edited by Sentimentgx4; 03-09-2012 at 11:48 PM.
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    03-09-2012 11:27 PM
  15. borjeboy's Avatar
    True there isn't alot of people in india/china that can afford lumia 800... but isnt intressting that nokia has done many commercials for 800 in india but nothing for the us..

    is it only because 900 is the one they want to sell there?

    Sent from my GT-I9000 using Tapatalk
    03-10-2012 07:29 AM
  16. mkr10001's Avatar
    when people use words like "sucks"...they lose all credibility
    03-10-2012 08:08 AM
  17. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Years ago, Nokia said they were not going to make any more CDMA phones (Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular). The last one on USCC I can recall was the 6265i from probably 2006.

    I definitely can't blame Nokia for not wanting to make a special US-only version of a phone they already sell millions of on GSM networks.
    They just started shipping a cdma 800 to China.
    03-10-2012 08:41 AM
  18. dannejanne's Avatar
    The Lumia is doing great in Europe. Very great even. So here it is eating up marketshare from something at least (many seem to come from Android, tired of lag etc.). The Lumia 800 has been one of the most selling phones behind iPhone 4S and SGSII for a while now in most major stores. That's not bad. Quite the opposite.

    As I type it is top 5 in most popular electronic products when checking Swedens most popular site ( www.prisjakt.se ) when it comes to check prices/info about products before buying. It has been on that top 5 list for weeks now.
    Last edited by dannejanne; 03-10-2012 at 09:31 AM.
    03-10-2012 09:23 AM
  19. ChristianKing's Avatar
    You have to remember Microsoft started from scratch, which means they knew they would sacrifice all their market share or most of it. They had to build a system that could compete in a touch world. Unfortunately, in the time it took them to get to market, two ecosystems had already formed and received the good enough seal of approval from the buying customer. They have one significant advantage that they are starting to leverage though. The Windows and XBOX divisions are best in business. Tying the platform to those along with billions spent (Nokia for best in class hardware, Marketing, etc...) will ultimately get them an acceptable share of the market. The future of Microsoft is dependent on being relevant in the mobile space. Carrier relationships can change in a year. One hit device and suddenly, your the new Apple in the mobile space. Be patient. :)
    03-10-2012 11:33 AM
  20. jfa1's Avatar
    They just started shipping a cdma 800 to China.
    China is mostly cdma and they are getting a variant of cdma lte as well its also a billion + phone market and growing!
    03-10-2012 11:51 AM
  21. based_graham's Avatar
    In my opinion its better for Microsft, Nokia and other dedicated WP OEM's to focus on 1 - 2 carriers at a time. This way it allows them to create a formula that works on the sales and marketing side of things. They can then use that formula replicate and modify and use it on other carriers.

    Here is my opinion about the "rumored" Lumia 900 delay

    The Bad
    - Slowly loosing all the hype from MWC and CES
    - Dedicated fans cant wait that long

    The good
    - People don't really know about the platform. For the majority 99% they don't follow CES, MWC
    - Gives them time to train staff and work on marketing campaigns
    - Gives developers more time to create apps especially when Nokia distributed over 25 000 Lumia's to developers
    - Nokia and Microsoft will probably firesale the device at 49.99$ for the first month with heavy marketing and sales training this can easily be the featured phone over any Androids and iPhones at the time

    IMO I see more good than bad but as a avid fan and a technology enthusiast I would love to have my device early and at a great price rumored 499$ in Canada :P

    In regards to marketshare its really the carriers holding the phones from really taking off. I don't understand why stores like AT&T sub divide their stores into different sections. Have a section for all the Apple products iPhone/iPad with live displays, have a section for all the Androids and of course have a section with crazy colors and live tiles for our Windows Phone.

    That way WP's are placed in the wrong locations
    03-10-2012 12:30 PM
  22. borjeboy's Avatar
    to be honest, to relese it when SGS 3 has arrived or almost has would be a mistake from Nokia. So i hope they get it out before sgs 3 hits the market.

    Anyway i find it strange since WP is an american made os that it has so hard to get big there. But i don't know if Nokia has done any advertising for the lumia 710 and those in the US. That could explain why. But they will be advertising when it comes to the 900..

    Was recommended by a sells man at 3 today to go with the Lumia 800 and not wait for the HTC one X because there is often battery problems with HTC devices :)..
    03-10-2012 07:28 PM
  23. TGBmark1234's Avatar
    Currently, they are #2 and #3 of T-Mobile US's three highest rated smartphones. Only the Galaxy 2S is rated higher.
    Highest rated doesn't mean highest selling. I'd be willing to bet you 50p that the phones rated below that sell much more than the WP7 models.
    03-12-2012 07:33 AM
  24. ubizmo's Avatar
    Highest rated doesn't mean highest selling. I'd be willing to bet you 50p that the phones rated below that sell much more than the WP7 models.
    I'm sure you're right, but over the long run, good ratings can only help sales. These things don't happen in a month, or even a year. The US smartphone market is so dominated by Apple and Android that there's no way for WP to get noticed quickly. Even BlackBerry has much better brand recognition, although they've taken a beating the last couple of years.

    This is why later this year is so important, with WP8 and BB10 coming out at about the same time. BB currently has about 13% of the US market. It would be theoretically easier for WP to take a bite out of that market share than to make a dent in Apple's or Android's. But, based on the Playbook's OS, BB10 may be very good, so WP8 will have to be very good too. And one thing in WP's favor right now is the rapid growth in the app Marketplace. If WP were to jump to, say, 6% of the US market by the end of 2012, by knocking BB back to about the same level, that would be a huge win for WP. At that point, people will start to notice.
    03-12-2012 07:59 AM
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