03-23-2012 11:59 AM
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  1. bobsentell's Avatar
    I'm new here, as my post count will attest to, but I have been following Windows Phone ever since HP killed webOS. And I have a question about the recent BGR report that the Lumia 900 was pushed back to April.

    Why are we believing it?

    I have seen a number of stories about the Lumia being pushed back and all of them attribute the BGR report as their source. Why are we believing them when the last "official" word from Nokia was the Lumia 900 was due in March?

    I'm just curious why we are putting so much weight into the BGR report.
    Last edited by bobsentell; 03-11-2012 at 05:01 PM.
    03-11-2012 04:48 PM
  2. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Because they get a lot right.

    Sent from my Galaxy S II
    03-11-2012 05:16 PM
  3. bobsentell's Avatar
    Because they get a lot right.

    Sent from my Galaxy S II
    True. But even MacRumors consider them hit or miss. During the last MacBook update BGR went 0-fer.

    I'm just saying their "trusted source" had some pretty specific information that no one else has managed to acquire. I'm just curious why we so readily accept his report. If he had said something similar about any Apple product, all of the other tech blogs would have launched a full scale investigation to confirm the data.

    It's not a criticism; more of an observation. I'm more liable to trust a still-published developer letter from the manufacturer itself over a trusted source to a tech blog. Especially since no further information is given.

    We have not seen anyone else independantly corroberate this information. All of the stories source BGR.
    03-11-2012 05:34 PM
  4. VernonEL's Avatar
    Welcome to WPCentral! Sorry, I can't pull a WeeBear and give you a cool GIF...

    Why are we believing it?
    Many of us have minor sources with AT&T and others. Very few people are sticking to the release date of the 18th of March. I have been told two different dates for when it is supposed to be released. The 8th, and the 22nd of April. I'm believing the 22nd. Partially because the 8th is Easter Sunday!

    Also, as much initial hype was shared by all the parties involved, I would say that they are not ready to release this device on the 18th. If they did, it would be a failure from a marketing standpoint.

    Here's hoping I can get my 900 before May!!
    03-11-2012 05:45 PM
  5. VernonEL's Avatar
    And this...

    Because they get a lot right.
    03-11-2012 05:46 PM
  6. bobsentell's Avatar
    And this...
    Except their original report, apparently.
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    03-11-2012 05:57 PM
  7. jfa1's Avatar
    I'm new here, as my post count will attest to, but I have been following Windows Phone ever since HP killed webOS. And I have a question about the recent BGR report that the Lumia 900 was pushed back to April.

    Why are we believing it?

    I have seen a number of stories about the Lumia being pushed back and all of them attribute the BGR report as their source. Why are we believing them when the last "official" word from Nokia was the Lumia 900 was due in March?

    I'm just curious why we are putting so much weight into the BGR report.
    Because we wnat to believe that it was coming in the first place and there is enough anecdotal to support it to believe it even more and then on the other hand they have been wrong also and rumors pop up from "trusted diurces" to say otherwise and Nokia ATT and MS wont do anything to confirm or deny either side of the proposition as far as the 900 is cvoncerned.
    03-11-2012 06:04 PM
  8. HeyCori's Avatar
    Because they get a lot right.

    Sent from my Galaxy S II
    And they get a whole lot wrong too.
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    03-11-2012 06:07 PM
  9. bobsentell's Avatar
    FWIW, Nokia will be hosting a dev showcase at the SXSW conference on March 12. Call this speculation, but that sounds like a good chance to announce a Lumia 900 availability date since they'll have some there to showcase.
    03-11-2012 06:15 PM
  10. RiseAgainst94's Avatar
    Because it is easier to believe bad news. There would be no reason for them to tell someone that the release date was pushed back (besides accuracy of course), but to please people they would tell them that the date was sooner.
    03-11-2012 07:38 PM
  11. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Rogers in Canada is starting pre-orders for the 900 right away. If ATT has world exclusivity for any period of time, it has to be coming soon...
    03-11-2012 08:49 PM
  12. damielrohie's Avatar
    Rogers in Canada is starting pre-orders for the 900 right away. If ATT has world exclusivity for any period of time, it has to be coming soon...
    Not necessarily. They can take pre-orders and then wait three months before releasing it allowing AT&T to keep their exclusivity and allow AT&T to release later in April.
    03-11-2012 10:37 PM
  13. damielrohie's Avatar
    FWIW, Nokia will be hosting a dev showcase at the SXSW conference on March 12. Call this speculation, but that sounds like a good chance to announce a Lumia 900 availability date since they'll have some there to showcase.
    I hope so as well. The problem, i think, is that the longer Nokia and Microsoft wait the more the Lumia 900 starts to compete with Apollo phone speculation. 6-8 months now drops to like 5-7. Makes it easier to wait i feel.
    03-11-2012 10:43 PM
  14. bobsentell's Avatar
    Well, I'm going to hold out hope for March. It was "supposed" to launch next week and I think the wheels were already turning on the marketing machine. It has already gotten all of the required approvals and Nokia is giving them away by the handful at a job fair late this week.

    We have a bunch of cirumstantial evidence that points to a launch during March and all we have is a "trusted source" saying it'll happen in April.
    03-11-2012 11:57 PM
  15. aubreyq's Avatar
    ...I have a question about the recent BGR report that the Lumia 900 was pushed back to April. Why are we believing it?...Why we are putting so much weight into the BGR report.
    Because it's the 12th of March and we have seen ZERO marketing by Nokia and AT&T.
    03-12-2012 12:51 PM
  16. Old_Cus's Avatar
    I learned my lesson from all the Iphone 5 rumors last fall. Because we're anxious for information we believe rumors and spectulation. As of yet neither Nokia, Microsoft or AT&T have released official launch dates for the 900. As my son would say....."dude you need to chill"
    03-12-2012 01:12 PM
  17. jfa1's Avatar
    03-12-2012 04:55 PM
  18. borjeboy's Avatar
    Lumia 900 is on prisjakt now. Means that companies in seden has begun there prebook for it so it Will be in Sweden around may or so... So if it was something exclusive for us in period then it must be 18th of march. But since that's soon ingick that 22nd of april could be right.. But then it Will be exclusive for like week..
    03-12-2012 05:16 PM
  19. dkp23's Avatar
    For the people questioning the accuracy of BGR, what date do you think the 900 will release? The 18th date that was also speculation and rumored and never confirmed. If you dont believe BGR, why believe all the other blogs stating 18th date?

    I am basing my opinion on the following that a March release is unlikely:

    * MS putting up pre-order in store and then pulling
    * no marketing whatsoever
    * absolutely no new details on the 900 in the U.S since CES. Nokia only talking about 900 in other countries outside of U.S. As you can see, more news for the 900 in canada/australia than the u.s.
    * No details at MWC
    * Late FCC Approval

    Odds are, April at the least is the release date.

    Nevertheless, announcing this in January and not releasing soon after is a complete debacle. Something happened in between that resulted in the release of the 900 to drag this long, who knows what it is and who know who's fault it is as well.
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    03-12-2012 05:22 PM
  20. damielrohie's Avatar
    For the people questioning the accuracy of BGR, what date do you think the 900 will release? The 18th date that was also speculation and rumored and never confirmed. If you dont believe BGR, why believe all the other blogs stating 18th date?

    I am basing my opinion on the following that a March release is unlikely:

    * MS putting up pre-order in store and then pulling
    * no marketing whatsoever
    * absolutely no new details on the 900 in the U.S since CES. Nokia only talking about 900 in other countries outside of U.S. As you can see, more news for the 900 in canada/australia than the u.s.
    * No details at MWC
    * Late FCC Approval

    Odds are, April at the least is the release date.

    Nevertheless, announcing this in January and not releasing soon after is a complete debacle. Something happened in between that resulted in the release of the 900 to drag this long, who knows what it is and who know who's fault it is as well.

    True and very valid points. so let's start our own rumors!

    So i have heard from trusted sources close to the matter that the Lumia 900 is going to be released world wide with WP7.5 loaded on it. then when AT&T does release the Lumia 900 it will actually be loaded with WP8. now AT&T will actually release the 900 after the rest of the world has it, but they will have WP8 exclusivity for 45 days. after the 45 days the rest of the 900s will be upgraded just in time for the release of the dedicated Apollo phones.


    and actually the March 18th might be true but if we never get told that it is true we will assume it was a rumor and same with the 22th. it is all hearsay! except for what i just wrote. that is utterly and completely true from my trusted source close to the matter.
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    03-12-2012 06:27 PM
  21. RiseAgainst94's Avatar
    Haha if only....
    One thing I know for sure is that if they delay the damn thing one more time (past April 22nd) I will NOT buy it. Actually, I will probably buy an android (against my better judgement) seeing as though the HTC One X and Galaxy S III are on the horizon.
    03-12-2012 06:42 PM
  22. bobsentell's Avatar
    I'm not some giddy fan boy who is wetting his pants because he can't get the phone next week. I'm just asking why we are taking the workd of a blogger and his unnamed source. By announcing the new release date, BGR just invalidated their previous position. So why should we believe this one?

    That's all I'm asking.
    03-12-2012 06:45 PM
  23. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Maybe it was scheduled for the first date and their sources told them the date. Testing/manufacturing issues came up, date changed.
    I'm not some giddy fan boy who is wetting his pants because he can't get the phone next week. I'm just asking why we are taking the workd of a blogger and his unnamed source. By announcing the new release date, BGR just invalidated their previous position. So why should we believe this one?

    That's all I'm asking.
    Not saying I have any clue why BGR changed the reported date. I always take what rumor and fan sites say anyway.

    Unless it comes from Mr. Dallas, the its pretty much Guaranteed to be fact. LOL


    Sent from my Galaxy S II
    Last edited by 1jaxstate1; 03-12-2012 at 08:00 PM.
    03-12-2012 07:44 PM
  24. aubreyq's Avatar
    Nevertheless, announcing this in January and not releasing soon after is a complete debacle. Something happened in between that resulted in the release of the 900 to drag this long, who knows what it is and who know who's fault it is as well.
    I remember Elop saying that they (Nokia) want to get into a rhythm where they will announce devices only if they are within weeks of shipping, or something to that effect. Maybe they felt the 900 needed to be announced at CES to keep Nokia in the news, but obviously there's a downside when the months go by and there's nothing a consumer can buy.

    *sigh* It'd be SO sweet if they can announce and say "available next week!" Heck, I take 1 month!
    03-12-2012 08:17 PM
  25. aubreyq's Avatar
    I'm not some giddy fan boy who is wetting his pants because he can't get the phone next week. I'm just asking why we are taking the workd of a blogger and his unnamed source. By announcing the new release date, BGR just invalidated their previous position. So why should we believe this one?

    That's all I'm asking.
    BGR wasn't the only ones to report the initial March 18th date. Paul Thurott was another guy that "heard" March 18 and reported it.
    03-12-2012 08:19 PM
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