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  1. eric12341's Avatar
    Agreed. What's your metric for faster processor? (If you say clock speed, you'll be laughed out of the forum) Better hardware? Funny, my Xbox CDROM was the first thing to go.
    Well not only was the clock speed faster but the ram speed was faster, the polygon rendering was faster and games simply loaded faster. My original Xbox is still going.


    1. The graphics on the 360 and PS3 are negligibly different. Some games are better on one system than the other, and some in different ways (sharper textures vs. colour depth etc.). To say one is consistently and considerably better than the other is simply bunkum.
    2. By "Xbox is no. 1", I assume you mean "xbox is in third place behind the Wii and PS3 globally"? Because it is:

    Console wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Xbox is ahead of the PS3 in the US only. It needs to make up 3 million sales to catch the PS3 globally and a mere 25 million to catch the Wii. And thats assuming that no further PS3s and Wiis are sold.

    And I'd also suggest if you don't have an HDTV there's not much point having a PS3 *or* 360, as you'll not exactly be getting the benefit!
    you know Wikipedia isn't that much of a reliable source no? I do have an HDTV in my living room and use my 360 with it. That's another thing the PS3 when my bro hooks it up doesn't automatically put the games in HD whereas my 360 does. Not to mention it also does not upconvert DVDs like the 360 does.
    03-15-2012 04:34 PM
  2. Silverdogz's Avatar
    I own an original 360 elite model which I got when it was first released. It has never given me an RROD *knock on wood*. I agree with the fact that the PS3 has a free service but I mistrust it because I was one of the ones who got *data mined*. Even when Sony reimbursed me I still prefer Xbox LIVE over PSN but I do enjoy the PS3 for its built in WI-FI where was that in the first 360 Microsoft hmmm? I happen to own both so I do have an insight. Both are non *slim*. But honestly its just easier to buy both and enjoy them.

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    03-15-2012 05:24 PM
  3. Exomondo's Avatar
    I own an original 360 elite model which I got when it was first released. It has never given me an RROD *knock on wood*.
    I have one of those too (and my Slim) which has proved to be a trusty device, i grabbed it when the store offered it to me for $50 when i returned my RROD Pro console, never had a problem since.

    I do enjoy the PS3 for its built in WI-FI where was that in the first 360 Microsoft hmmm?
    Yeah there is that, but it only has 802.11g. It annoyed me that i had to buy the WiFi adapter for the XBox but the XBox Slim has 802.11n built in and it's significantly better for any LAN activity.

    But honestly its just easier to buy both and enjoy them.
    Amen to that! Brand Vs Brand is stupid, you'll never get one which is better than the other in every measurable way, it's always going to have significant subjective elements and those get amplified when one makes a purchasing decision one way or the other.

    I'm not overly concerned about <$5 per month for XBL, IMHO it's more polished than PSN. The PSN chat stuff has been resolved, Playstation Home is a bit...odd, and the profile stuff isn't brilliant, there's not as much of a 'community' feel, but again that's subjective and not for everyone.
    03-15-2012 09:35 PM
  4. Pronk's Avatar
    you know Wikipedia isn't that much of a reliable source no? I do have an HDTV in my living room and use my 360 with it. That's another thing the PS3 when my bro hooks it up doesn't automatically put the games in HD whereas my 360 does. Not to mention it also does not upconvert DVDs like the 360 does.
    Wikipedia is a perfectly reliable source. Regardless, the figures are not gathered by Wikipedia and you haven't provided any alternative sources other than saying "Xbox is no. 1". Which it isn't.

    And the PS3 does upscale DVDs. And I have no idea what you mean by it not automatically putting games in HD.

    Please don't let fanboyism make you incapable of viewing valid criticisms and facts without freaking out. It's tedious in the extreme.
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    03-16-2012 02:48 AM
  5. eric12341's Avatar
    Wikipedia is a perfectly reliable source. Regardless, the figures are not gathered by Wikipedia and you haven't provided any alternative sources other than saying "Xbox is no. 1". Which it isn't.

    And the PS3 does upscale DVDs. And I have no idea what you mean by it not automatically putting games in HD.

    Please don't let fanboyism make you incapable of viewing valid criticisms and facts without freaking out. It's tedious in the extreme.

    We here in America don't really trust Wikipedia, plus those figures are at least 2 years old so you can't go based off that. All the game blogs I visit (through the game news now app) have had articles that now put the Xbox 360 ahead. The PS3 does not upconvert DVDs, when my bro put in the back to the future DVD in his PS3 we had to use the zoom levels in order to stretch the image to fit the screen, this isn't true HD. When I put the SAME DVD into my 360 it was in true HD and did not require any zoom settings. The 360 is better aware of the inputs that are used so if I were to play on my bedroom tv which is SD only the 360 will automatically use the appropriate settings, when I move it to my living room tv the 360 will automatically set the display to 1080p, whereas my bros ps3 will have it in 480p SD unless we go through the menus to change it otherwise. Can't believe there are gaystation fans here on WPCentral!
    03-16-2012 01:06 PM
  6. lavalleema's Avatar
    Can't believe there are gaystation fans here on WPCentral!
    Bahahaha that made me laugh like a dog!

    I actually have PS3, a second hand 360 (like I said I won't give Microsoft a +1 this gen because the original design was so shoddy) and a Wii and to be honest, the one I love most... the Wii.

    The games that I own on Wii are just... well done. There are tons of crap games on each platform but the first party software for Wii is just a lot of fun. That an I'm a Zelda freak, so there you have it.

    Second favorite console for games: 360. Don't know why, just is.

    But for "Media" ... PS3 by far. Microsoft missed the boat on that one, regardless of the HDDVD vs BlueRay war. I like the PS3 netflix app far better than any other's I have tried, and it's a very competent movie player in its own right. Plus, the remote is bluetooth, so it doesn't matter if you have line of sight.

    So they each have their uses on my shelf. ;)

    BTW... Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 in HD coming this summer to the PC... so PC FTW!!! haha :P
    03-16-2012 02:09 PM
  7. selfcreation's Avatar
    Bahahaha that made me laugh like a dog!

    I actually have PS3, a second hand 360 (like I said I won't give Microsoft a +1 this gen because the original design was so shoddy) and a Wii and to be honest, the one I love most... the Wii.

    The games that I own on Wii are just... well done. There are tons of crap games on each platform but the first party software for Wii is just a lot of fun. That an I'm a Zelda freak, so there you have it.

    Second favorite console for games: 360. Don't know why, just is.

    But for "Media" ... PS3 by far. Microsoft missed the boat on that one, regardless of the HDDVD vs BlueRay war. I like the PS3 netflix app far better than any other's I have tried, and it's a very competent movie player in its own right. Plus, the remote is bluetooth, so it doesn't matter if you have line of sight.

    So they each have their uses on my shelf. ;)

    BTW... Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 in HD coming this summer to the PC... so PC FTW!!! haha :P

    Xbox remote are WIFI witch is better then BT. , I control my Xbox(witch is in my living room ) from my bedroom ...

    what you mean MS missed the boat on the Media? media system on Xbox is WAy better then PS3. does PS3 even have a media player? lol aside from a blue-ray/CD player?

    I dont consider that a *media center* Xbox connect to my PC for all my movies/music, cant dot hat with a PS3.

    not to mention what WP8+W8+Xbox will bring

    Sony gona need to make a deal with apple or Google if they want a chance to compete .. oh wait they did with Android and it FAILED! HARD! lol
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 03-16-2012 at 02:33 PM.
    03-16-2012 02:26 PM
  8. Pronk's Avatar
    Can't believe there are gaystation fans here on WPCentral!
    *sigh*

    This is a forum about phones, not consoles, so why would the fact it's WP Central have any bearing on things? Oh, and the figures are from December 2011 (wii), November 2011 (PS3) and January 2012 (xbox). You'll note that neither 2012 or 2011 are "at least 2 years ago" - please be aware a year is one of those long things between Christmases. I think you're thinking of months, which are much shorter.

    And as stated, I own an xbox 360 and a PS3. And I owned a PS2 and an original xbox. And a PS1 and a Dreamcast. And a Super Nintendo and a Megadrive. And an original NES and a Master System. And a whole host of other stuff you've probably never heard of, so I'm hardly what you could consider biased to any one platform and never have been - you clearly are, so I'd suggest if anyone or anything is an unreliable source, it's you.

    Oh,and the PS3 upscales DVDs perfectly well (Upscale DVD output - PlayStation 3, PS3 official movies guide). If your brother's one does not, he hasn't got it set up correctly. Your 360 does not upscale to "true HD" either because upscaling is *not* "true HD" - you can't "make" the missing detail. When it upscales the 360 is doing the exact same thing as the PS3 does. Only not as well, because if you look at a lot of proper AV forums it's usually considered that the PS3 does a marginally better job at upscaling. And my 360 had trouble detecting my TV's resolution via the RGB cable so I had to set it up manually - so there you go. That's one anecdote each, so they cancel out as well.

    So in summary (a) learn to read - perhaps your mistrust of Wikipedia comes from the fact you don't look at it properly, (b) don't use terminology if you don't understand it properly, because it just makes you look foolish, and (c) gaystation? REALLY??? Grow up, sunshine. Oh, and the Sega fans from 1994 called - they'd like their insult back.
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    03-16-2012 02:29 PM
  9. selfcreation's Avatar
    your XBOX 360 would upscale better if you used HDMI instead of RGB , RBG is 720p HDMI is 1080p compatible.

    and im sure your comparing HDMI on PS3 to RBG on Xbox, its not a fair fight!!!

    Here is a NICE VID to compare PS3 VS Xbox VS PC ( my fav game :P )

    PS. F1 SEASON STARTS TONIGHT BOYS!!!! AUSTRALIA GP!!!! WOOOT!!!


    [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XuYsbtMAQ8[/YT]

    XBOX 360 WIn in this one i think.

    but honestly unless you have 2 exact TVS with 2 Xbox using different wires(hdmi VS RBG) at the SAME time , you wont ever notice the diffrents.

    if you buy a 720p tv and a 1080p TV sure they look different in store , cone you go home you can't notice the differents cause its sooo small. ( unless you take the time to compare them side by side..

    so in the end it really make no different. specially if your getting old and your eye sigh is starting to FADE,

    I use to sale high end TV's ( pioneer elites ) in 720P and 1080P and we use to show clients the differents ( cause its like 3000$ different ) and most of the time the client said screw the 1080P it looks the same unless you compare it side by side with a static Picture.

    when you watch high action movements on TV you cant tell the diffrents. ( like sports or video games)
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 03-16-2012 at 03:22 PM.
    03-16-2012 03:01 PM
  10. eric12341's Avatar
    *sigh*

    This is a forum about phones, not consoles, so why would the fact it's WP Central have any bearing on things? Oh, and the figures are from December 2011 (wii), November 2011 (PS3) and January 2012 (xbox). You'll note that neither 2012 or 2011 are "at least 2 years ago" - please be aware a year is one of those long things between Christmases. I think you're thinking of months, which are much shorter.

    And as stated, I own an xbox 360 and a PS3. And I owned a PS2 and an original xbox. And a PS1 and a Dreamcast. And a Super Nintendo and a Megadrive. And an original NES and a Master System. And a whole host of other stuff you've probably never heard of, so I'm hardly what you could consider biased to any one platform and never have been - you clearly are, so I'd suggest if anyone or anything is an unreliable source, it's you.

    Oh,and the PS3 upscales DVDs perfectly well (Upscale DVD output*-*PlayStation 3, PS3 official movies guide). If your brother's one does not, he hasn't got it set up correctly. Your 360 does not upscale to "true HD" either because upscaling is *not* "true HD" - you can't "make" the missing detail. When it upscales the 360 is doing the exact same thing as the PS3 does. Only not as well, because if you look at a lot of proper AV forums it's usually considered that the PS3 does a marginally better job at upscaling. And my 360 had trouble detecting my TV's resolution via the RGB cable so I had to set it up manually - so there you go. That's one anecdote each, so they cancel out as well.

    So in summary (a) learn to read - perhaps your mistrust of Wikipedia comes from the fact you don't look at it properly, (b) don't use terminology if you don't understand it properly, because it just makes you look foolish, and (c) gaystation? REALLY??? Grow up, sunshine. Oh, and the Sega fans from 1994 called - they'd like their insult back.
    Oh my bad,I was looking at the US results for those dates. Reason why Wii and PS3 would outsell the 360 outside the US is because countries like Japan tend to be loyal to their own brands (Nintendo and Sony), if you look at the Europe sales you can clearly see that the 360 is making gains on the PS3. I should learn to read? I can read 2 languages (English and Spanish) which is better reading skills than you more than likely. I've also owned an NES,SNES,genesis,PS,Dreamcast (after declared EOL),N64, and Xbox. I've also heard of those other systems so we're even there. Who uses RGB, that's a nonstandard method (at least in the US it is) so of course it wouldn't scale properly.
    your XBOX 360 would upscale better if you used HDMI instead of RGB , RBG is 720p HDMI is 1080p compatible.

    and im sure your comparing HDMI on PS3 to RBG on Xbox, its not a fair fight!!!

    Here is a NICE VID to compare PS3 VS Xbox VS PC ( my fav game :P )

    PS. F1 SEASON STARTS TONIGHT BOYS!!!! AUSTRALIA GP!!!! WOOOT!!!




    but honestly unless you have 2 exact TVS with 2 Xbox using different wires(hdmi VS RBG) at the SAME time , you wont ever notice the diffrents.

    if you buy a 720p tv and a 1080p TV sure they look different in store , cone you go home you can't notice the differents cause its sooo small. ( unless you take the time to compare them side by side..

    so in the end it really make no different. specially if your getting old and your eye sigh is starting to FADE,

    I use to sale high end TV's ( pioneer elites ) in 720P and 1080P and we use to show clients the differents ( cause its like 3000$ different ) and most of the time the client said screw the 1080P it looks the same unless you compare it side by side with a static Picture.

    when you watch high action movements on TV you cant tell the diffrents. ( like sports or video games)
    forgot to mention that HDMI is digital and also carries an uncompressed audio signal while RGB/VGA is analog and only carries video.
    03-16-2012 03:23 PM
  11. selfcreation's Avatar
    Asia Also like SONY better cause PS make more RPG/MMORPG style games and Asian TRIP on does games. lol
    03-16-2012 03:35 PM
  12. Pronk's Avatar
    My *personal* xbox 360 may well upscale better if I used HDMI rather than RGB/VGA, but I'm out of HDMI ports on my TV with the satellite box and the PS3 in the two I have. And as I don't use the 360 that much because it's too loud and I know it has a limited lifespan before it inevitably RRODs (it being my third one and replaced before they brought out the slim), it gets relegated to VGA. It's probably a marginally less good picture than HDMI, but not worth rearranging all the cables at the back of the TV for.

    However, I was basing it on opinions I've read on audiovisual forums and review sites - not my personal experience. Personally, even if the xbox 360 was hands down better at upscaling I'd still not use it for DVD because it's too damn loud. That said, the upscaling thing is probably so close as to be a matter of opinion anyway.

    And yes, eric12341, you should learn to read in the sense of actually look at what people point you towards as it took you three posts to go away and check the references I gave to actually take in the information in them correctly, all the while having a go at me in the meantime. But I note you at least finally concede the xbox is indeed in third place globally (albeit in a roundabout way - because "catching up" is of course another way of saying "still behind"), so that's something. Though the stuff about various markets preferring their own brands is somewhat disproven by the Wii also being ahead of the 360 in the US by almost 2 to 1.

    Anyway, now we're all on the same page perhaps we can get over the fanboyism and move on.
    03-16-2012 04:24 PM
  13. Fleon's Avatar
    But I note you at least finally concede the xbox is indeed in third place globally (albeit in a roundabout way - because "catching up" is of course another way of saying "still behind"), so that's something. Though the stuff about various markets preferring their own brands is somewhat disproven by the Wii also being ahead of the 360 in the US by almost 2 to 1.

    Anyway, now we're all on the same page perhaps we can get over the fanboyism and move on.
    Oh?

    Video Game Charts, Game Sales, Top Sellers, Game Data - VGChartz
    03-17-2012 01:04 PM
  14. Fleon's Avatar
    Well not only was the clock speed faster but the ram speed was faster, the polygon rendering was faster and games simply loaded faster. My original Xbox is still going.
    Mine is not. My PS2 is.

    And- here you go for some fun:
    Platform Comparison - PS2 Vs Xbox: Contrasting the Two

    If you want to actually learn something, read through the whole thing.
    03-17-2012 01:06 PM
  15. Pronk's Avatar
    Oh what? That's a weekly software sales chart. That's nothing whatsoever to do with existing hardware sales.
    03-17-2012 05:37 PM
  16. rideboarder's Avatar
    Oh what? That's a weekly software sales chart. That's nothing whatsoever to do with existing hardware sales.
    I believe what he was trying to point out is the worldwide hardware sales. (which has the same numbers as the console wars wiki page now.)

    #1: Wii 95.3 Million
    #2: Xbox 360 65.3 Million
    #3: PS3 62.5 Million
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    03-18-2012 12:34 AM
  17. textomatic's Avatar
    I think you can't say Xbox is better than PS3 or vice versa. Actually the PS3 has become the lead platform when developing games because it's easier to port games over to Xbox than from Xbox to PS3. So occasionally you will have a game that looks better on one platform over the other but to the common person the difference in graphical detail is irrelevant. Stat wise the PS3 is probably the superior of the two but not by much. But the reason why I believe the Xbox 360 has been so successful is because of Xbox Live. When both the PS3 and Xbox 360 came out the Xbox had a clear advantage in the online space. It had system wide notification, friend chat, and ease of joining your friends in online gaming. The PS3 lacked in these departments. For example, it didn't have cross game chat. PS3 was clearly behind. Games like Modern Warfare were clearly better on the 360 due to the ease of playing with your friends and getting a game going. Eventually PS3 caught up and I think they offer the same comparable features but I'm not 100% sure cause I sold my PS3 for many different reasons. But the boom of online gaming and the ease of Xbox Live is, IMO, the single reason why the 360 has been successful. Is it worth the yearly fee? To some it is, to some it isn't. It's going to be interesting in the next generation of gaming platform. How is Microsoft going to justify it's yearly fee if PS3, Wii, or Valve (Steam Box?) offer the same thing for free? What other services will they offer? All the game consoles have turned into media centers. Is Apple going to join the party? Next gen is going to be very interesting. Choose your console wisely!!!
    03-18-2012 08:51 AM
  18. Pronk's Avatar
    I believe what he was trying to point out is the worldwide hardware sales. (which has the same numbers as the console wars wiki page now.)

    #1: Wii 95.3 Million
    #2: Xbox 360 65.3 Million
    #3: PS3 62.5 Million
    Ah - the graph didn't load on my phone when I looked before. Regardless - Wii the hands down winner globally, xbox only ahead in 1 of 3 territories, and that's with post-holiday sales for the xbox (Jan 2012) and pre-holiday data for the PS3 (Nov 2011) so the picture may change again. Granted the gap may widen, but equally it could close up. so we'll have to wait and see.

    Regardless, the xbox 360 is not no. 1, which was the main point, so as you were! :)
    03-19-2012 05:03 AM
  19. mattpga's Avatar
    hehe didnt really expect this to turn into a gamer *****fest, just that everyone expected MS to fail in the console market, just as they are in the phone market. hopefully they will be eating their words in a few years. Just had a play with a galaxy s2 and android is so ugly and fiddly, i cant stand the thought of having to go to android
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    03-19-2012 05:49 AM
  20. eric12341's Avatar
    Mine is not. My PS2 is.

    And- here you go for some fun:
    Platform Comparison - PS2 Vs Xbox: Contrasting the Two

    If you want to actually learn something, read through the whole thing.
    the person who wrote that is a PS2 loyalist so the info is already skewered based on that alone.
    03-19-2012 01:28 PM
  21. the_tyrant's Avatar
    PC is the best:P

    You know, I have to say, I had an original Xbox, and the 360. Liked them both

    But I also have a psp3000, psp go, and now a psvita

    They are both great platforms, and I like both
    03-19-2012 09:02 PM
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