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  1. paulm187's Avatar
    I was out shopping today and thought I'll visit as many phone stores as possible in the mall. Some stores such as Phones4U are doing really good promotions for the Nokia Lumia 800. However, I can't help but feel that Windows Phone is drowning in a sea of Androids. The only Windows Phones I could find are the Lumia 800/710. Only one other shop had an HTC Titan. And to add insult to injury the demo Lumia phones in one of the shops was turned off!

    Customers who walk in are automaticaly drawn to the wide array of Androids on display. Where are the windows phones from Samsungs, HTC's and LG's ? Microsoft can't succeed on the back of Nokia alone. They need to have other OEM's making Windows Phones too. Even Apple will not succeed in the current market if they were to release the iPhone now. So why the drought? I can only hope that these OEM's are waiting for Windows Phone 8. Whatever the reason I hope there will be more phones from the other OEM's or the future is not looking too bright for WP.
    03-31-2012 12:01 PM
  2. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    That's not a worry when android hit it was only the g1 and only T-Mobile at first. They had even less representation. With At&t pushing and now Nokia all in I'm not worried

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    03-31-2012 12:11 PM
  3. threed61's Avatar
    Android is drowning in a sea of Android phones. Several top phones have bombed because of too much selection, hence the need for ads and retailer outreach. Apple has built in customer base and would and will continue to do fine. MS/Nokia will have to work for sales.
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    03-31-2012 12:13 PM
  4. WinPhan7's Avatar
    Regrdless of availability, there are too many consumers who don't trust our OS, have never been shown our OS, and couldn't name a a single person who owns our OS. Myself and another WP enthusiast have started the WinPhan campaign. Windows+Phone+Fan=WinPhan. We are trying to gain Fandroid and iFan attention that WP is a suitable and safe ecosystem to migrate to. It doesn't change how the carriers treat prospective WP owners, but it does empower those same prospects to feel comfortable to find out themselves what WP is about. At this point, we share in the responsibility as WP enthusiasts to help Microsoft out.

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    03-31-2012 12:28 PM
  5. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    Regrdless of availability, there are too many consumers who don't trust our OS, have never been shown our OS, and couldn't name a a single person who owns our OS. Myself and another WP enthusiast have started the WinPhan campaign. Windows+Phone+Fan=WinPhan. We are trying to gain Fandroid and iFan attention that WP is a suitable and safe ecosystem to migrate to. It doesn't change how the carriers treat prospective WP owners, but it does empower those same prospects to feel comfortable to find out themselves what WP is about. At this point, we share in the responsibility as WP enthusiasts to help Microsoft out.

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    As a first adapter of android. This windows beginning is exactly the same. Have patience winphans
    03-31-2012 12:30 PM
  6. WinPhan7's Avatar
    Well said Andrea! Patience and persistence is the key! Are you a WinPhan? :)

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    03-31-2012 12:35 PM
  7. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    Well said Andrea! Patience and persistence is the key! Are you a WinPhan? :)

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    My lumia once it arrives will be my first windows phone but I am excited and can see myself enjoying this OS. I have had all OSs and have been there from the beginning on android , iOS and it was the same. Little apps, missing functionality and every iteration got better. Only blackberry didn't move forward. Just look at the difference with windows mobile and now windows phone. Or mango and the coming Apollo they are on the right path
    03-31-2012 12:41 PM
  8. Big Supes's Avatar
    I see where you're coming from, but to drown, you have to have already been floating on the top...

    Maybe we could say Windows Phone as swimming up through a sea of Androids.

    ;)
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    03-31-2012 12:45 PM
  9. canesfan625's Avatar
    As a first adapter of android. This windows beginning is exactly the same. Have patience winphans
    Actually it's not quite the same. G1 users were screwed by google/tmo for being an early adopter and the WP market is growing much faster. Once device sales are increased they will be set
    03-31-2012 02:05 PM
  10. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    Actually it's not quite the same. G1 users were screwed by google/tmo for being an early adopter and the WP market is growing much faster. Once device sales are increased they will be set
    Well yes Microsoft is doing a better initial support. My point is the rest is all similar and that android exploded. With patience windows phone will do well and learn from androids mistakes ie fragmentation and to much selection
    03-31-2012 02:16 PM
  11. bobsentell's Avatar
    Windows 8 will help consumers be less wary of the Windows Phone OS. Hardware also goes a long way and up until the Lumia 900, most Window phones have been Android rejects. Android is enjoying a temporary high; it will crash soon for a number of reasons.

    1. No real successful Android tablet. The Kindle Fire is not really an Andoid tablet. And even HP's TouchPad became the number 2 tablet behind the iPad despite only being on the market for 6 weeks. Since then, the iPad has mostly owned the market and the Kindle Fire has outsold all Android tablets combined.
    2. 61% of Android phones are still on 2.3 even though a 4.0 was released six months ago. No one is upgrading or their manufacturer has not released an update. That will eventually lead to a very stale experience.
    3. At some point, companies are going to realize that having to pay a premium to Microsoft for every Android phone isn't worth it when they could just be making Windows Phones.


    Android's dominance will not last. The ARM version of W8 combined with desirable hardware for WP will lead to Windows Phone taking a lot of Android's business. The most hardened nerd will stick with Android (as they use Ubuntu on their PCs) but the general public will return the smartphone OS market to the two who control the PC OS market.
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    03-31-2012 03:20 PM
  12. tissotti's Avatar
    I really don't see the amount of Windows Phones problem. Actually i would welcome something between Android and iOS. Not the Android fragmentation, but more hw choices than for iOS.

    I feel it's still about the hero product and feature parity with Android and iOS when it comes to WP.

    Android started selling more than Symbian after the specifications and features where there. I know it should not matter, but when there's Windows Phone with cutting edge SoC, amazing high def screen, great camera etc you will see it people lining for the phone. Android really exploded after first Galaxy S.

    Hopefully Apollo will be able to give the support for that hardware.
    Last edited by tissotti; 03-31-2012 at 05:40 PM.
    03-31-2012 03:29 PM
  13. eric12341's Avatar
    Carriers also need to stop sabotaging sales. My bro went into a VZ store and when he was going to check out the HTC trophy this rep got in his way and redirected him to a razr maxx and was telling him how great it was and that windows doesn't have any apps. Had he not have called me he probably would've went with that. I told him to get the Titan 2 on AT$T.
    03-31-2012 03:34 PM
  14. based_graham's Avatar
    Yes it currently is but one day just one of these days carriers will pick up and redesign their stores with separate sections for Androids, Windows and iOS
    03-31-2012 05:20 PM
  15. psiu_glen's Avatar
    *snip*
    Android really exploded after first Galaxy S.

    Hopefully Apollo will be able to give the support for that hardware.
    Galaxy S? Psshhh..OG Droid ;) Saw something about a year later, representing Android activations by day and overlaid on a map. That phone (and the ad campaign by Verizon) made Android blow up.

    Found the link..http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/visualized-android-activations-mapped-geographically-chronolog/

    Droid blew up in the US, Galaxy S seemed to light up slower but got Europe shining for sure. Though more phones available by then as well.
    Last edited by psiu_glen; 03-31-2012 at 05:40 PM.
    03-31-2012 05:32 PM
  16. tissotti's Avatar
    Galaxy S? Psshhh..OG Droid ;) Saw something about a year later, representing Android activations by day and overlaid on a map. That phone (and the ad campaign by Verizon) made Android blow up.

    Found the link..Visualized: Android activations mapped geographically, chronologically, breathtakingly (video) -- Engadget

    Droid blew up in the US, Galaxy S seemed to light up slower but got Europe shining for sure. Though more phones available by then as well.
    Yeah i'am looking it from European perspective. :) Motorola wasn't mostly even availabe so Droid didn't make much of a impact. While at the GS launch Android raised to be the "norm" over here.

    Though you are right that Droid started the initial push.
    03-31-2012 05:44 PM
  17. gapost's Avatar
    Sea of Androids?? Go into Verizon. Man, I am kind of a phone geek and if I was going in to buy an Android phone I would pull my hair out. They must have close to 20 Android phones on display, with different specs/features and manufacturer software. It's just crazy. Who wants to look through all those phones?
    03-31-2012 06:14 PM
  18. Fleon's Avatar
    As a first adapter of android. This windows beginning is exactly the same. Have patience winphans
    Well, not exactly the same. I had a G1...
    Fun phone, but horrible battery life, EVERYTHING crashed, and the thing broke all the time.

    WP7 had a better launch.

    In spirit, however, I completely agree with your sentiment.
    03-31-2012 06:17 PM
  19. bobsentell's Avatar
    As a first adapter of android. This windows beginning is exactly the same. Have patience winphans
    Funny, I'm seeing similarities to the webOS launch and we see where that went. But I think Microsoft who has a CEO who understands their business where HP didn't at the time.
    03-31-2012 07:58 PM
  20. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    Well, not exactly the same. I had a G1...
    Fun phone, but horrible battery life, EVERYTHING crashed, and the thing broke all the time.

    WP7 had a better launch.

    In spirit, however, I completely agree with your sentiment.
    I'm spirit I meant completely. Nothing like that alpha handset g1
    03-31-2012 08:40 PM
  21. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    Funny, I'm seeing similarities to the webOS launch and we see where that went. But I think Microsoft who has a CEO who understands their business where HP didn't at the time.
    How so ? WebOS didn't have a carrier that was pushing it like AT&T is gonna start. Neither did they have a hardware company like Nokia nor the deep pockets of google or Microsoft. So I fail to see the similarities
    03-31-2012 08:41 PM
  22. bobsentell's Avatar
    How so ? WebOS didn't have a carrier that was pushing it like AT&T is gonna start. Neither did they have a hardware company like Nokia nor the deep pockets of google or Microsoft. So I fail to see the similarities
    Well, HP isn't exactly poor as they are the largest tech firm (when you look at actual revenue, not market value). And AT&T originally did order a bunch of Pre3s to start with (even though they did cancel it after HP pulled the plug). I can't put my finger on what exactly, but all of this seems familiar. Microsoft has more riding on this than HP so they will take it more seriously.

    It just seems familiar. For those who wheren't intimately following the webOS launch last year it might be hard to see it, but this seems familiar to me.

    That being said, I honestly believe this launch will be more successful.
    03-31-2012 08:53 PM
  23. InfectedPhreak's Avatar
    When I went to pick up my Droid Incredible, the big phones at the time for Verizon were Droid 2, Droid X, and Droid Incredible... that I was aware of. I wanted the big screen, and MotoBlur seemed more interesting then HTC Sense... so I was going to pick up the Droid X, but we got suckered into a good Buy1Get1 deal for two DInc's and a Droid 2. That was two years ago, and I've noticed a huge increase of Android devices since then. Yet for Verizon there is still only one WP device.

    I kind of like that about WP, there aren't a bunch of phones running around. 13 total WP devices, and there are probably somewhere around 100 Android devices? That's just insane and not needed. Especially with the hardware gaps, and the software gaps.
    03-31-2012 09:00 PM
  24. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    Well, HP isn't exactly poor as they are the largest tech firm (when you look at actual revenue, not market value). And AT&T originally did order a bunch of Pre3s to start with (even though they did cancel it after HP pulled the plug). I can't put my finger on what exactly, but all of this seems familiar. Microsoft has more riding on this than HP so they will take it more seriously.

    It just seems familiar. For those who wheren't intimately following the webOS launch last year it might be hard to see it, but this seems familiar to me.

    That being said, I honestly believe this launch will be more successful.
    Yes but HP did not launch webOS palm did and that's why it failed no money, no developer support and no carrier push. By the time HP bought it they just wanted the patents. So its not similar
    03-31-2012 09:13 PM
  25. AndreaCristiano's Avatar
    When I went to pick up my Droid Incredible, the big phones at the time for Verizon were Droid 2, Droid X, and Droid Incredible... that I was aware of. I wanted the big screen, and MotoBlur seemed more interesting then HTC Sense... so I was going to pick up the Droid X, but we got suckered into a good Buy1Get1 deal for two DInc's and a Droid 2. That was two years ago, and I've noticed a huge increase of Android devices since then. Yet for Verizon there is still only one WP device.

    I kind of like that about WP, there aren't a bunch of phones running around. 13 total WP devices, and there are probably somewhere around 100 Android devices? That's just insane and not needed. Especially with the hardware gaps, and the software gaps.
    Very true. Google needs to reign that in
    03-31-2012 09:58 PM
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