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04-13-2012 05:24 AM
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  1. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    I get your point about it being bundled together versus a free app, but iOS has free MapQuest TbT voice nav. MapQuest was the dominant map source before Google took over and I still see it linked to pages more often than Bing. It is a decent product - especially for free.
    Waze seems to be good too. I had that app back when I had an iPhone, but never really got to try out navigation on it. I always left it running though because I could see traffic and stuff (reported by other users of Waze).

    Unfortunately the developers are not planning to port it to Windows Phone at this time. :(
    04-11-2012 02:03 AM
  2. Welve's Avatar
    I hear what you're saying, but I'm wondering -- what benefit is there to the "tap at the tone" functionality? I mean, hearing a voice is good (and other platforms have it, as well), and the tone is nice, but what -- in particular -- is good about the need to touch the screen?



    You're able to tap the screen without taking your eyes off the road and looking for the screen, then? Not all have that ability, or the particular set-up that allows them to do so. Nevertheless, the reason it's not "silly" is that it's literally illegal for some of us, in our home states.

    That's not an indictment of a platform, of course, but just of a particular software design. Hopefully, it'll be addressed soon...
    Yeah, like I said, I leave it in my cupholder and tap it without looking, usually with my middle finger actually lol. I know which side the screen is, similar to turning down the radio, just made it a little move. I understand if you drive stick, then it would be impossible, but I am not crazy enough to drive stick in one of the worst traffic cities in the US! I would if I had somewhere to cruise though...and I don't think a cop is going to get me for tapping a phone in my cupholder, I could be wrong, but I would be willing to test it.

    For me it isn't the need to touch the screen, it is more the availability. A lot of times I have found with GPS I miss turns because I turn to early, if anything the WP has made me a better judge of distance (never thought about it until now) because it tells me turn right in X number of miles and I can keep updating it with a quick tap to hear. Ran into this when going to a friend's new place, I would have turned one street early because they were close enough together, but I tapped to double check and it said it was still a little further.

    Anyway, I totally understand why people might think it isnt the most efficient way, it seems somewhat counter-intuitive, but I like the way it works.

    this is a musing, just something I have been wondering for a while > I also don't understand why people have to have google maps, what feature is it lacking over bing maps? Bing has aerial view, traffic, integrated local scout, directions, etc. Using a different Nav I can understand, Bing's method or my method isn't for everyone, but I like Bing maps a LOT, I always remember waiting what felt like forever for Gmaps to load on my Androids.
    04-11-2012 02:17 AM
  3. HerronScott's Avatar
    As for your Outlook sync comments allow me to share another link with you:

    Microsoft Exchange Online Pricing

    For true and complete sync between my phone and my desktops I need Exchange and that costs money (I was told this by a friend who works for MS and sets up Exchange accounts for big companies. He was very honest about the fact that this is one of MS's big products and it works very nicely but it costs money). I knew this was true before I got the phone so I have no complaints there. But using Live is a joke (if I accidentally send a reply email to work from live.com it is marked as spam). I can only sync the Live calendar to my desktop's Live calendar - so I have two calendars one the default Outlook profile and one for the live.com profile and I can find no way to unite them. If I use Outlook to accept an invite I need to copy it to the Live calendar manually - because the Live calendar is not allowed to be the default calendar on Outlook desktop (as far as I can figure out). If I use Windows Live Mail to accept an Outlook invite - oh they are not compatible so I can't.
    Hi,

    I'd like to understand what you are missing with syncing to Outlook and whether you are referring to Outlook at work (which typically uses Exchange as the server infrastructure) or Outlook at home which some people use for mail with their Internet provider.

    I have no problem using my phone with our Exchange infrastructure at work and it uses the same ActiveSync through Exchange to sync mail, calendar, etc. as other platforms like the iPhone (note this is not the old desktop ActiveSync but online through Outlook Web Access). If this is your scenario, what functionality are you missing? Note that the link you sent to Exchange online is related to businesses having Microsoft host their backend Exchange infrastructure rather than supporting their own servers in-house. It's not something that an end-user like yourself would use or subscribe to.

    If you are using Outlook at home for personal use, that's something different and you would not be using Outlook on the phone for that.

    Scott
    04-11-2012 07:50 AM
  4. inteller's Avatar
    What software are you paying for that is so good? I would like to hear about it so I can know all the great things about my new phone.

    I wanted to buy Skype - nope. Log Me In would be nice - nope. Dropbox out yet? The mobile site is pretty friendly but not a dedicated app.

    So please list the ten best paid apps you have (no need to include Angry Birds unless you can tell me how to install Seasons and Rio). I will seriously consider getting them. I want to like this phone; the rest of my devices all run on MS, why not my phone?
    just go away troll...you already know the answers to your rhetorical questions....your inquiries went from being genuine to asshat about two pages ago.
    04-11-2012 08:08 AM
  5. ubizmo's Avatar
    Just wanted to point out that, while there are free alternatives in the Marketplace, iOS doesn't include voice nav either. Which means Android is the only major OS that includes proper voice nav bundled in.
    BBOS also includes it.
    04-11-2012 10:09 AM
  6. john_allen_1911's Avatar
    just go away troll...you already know the answers to your rhetorical questions....your inquiries went from being genuine to asshat about two pages ago.
    It is not rhetorical for me to ask which apps you claim are worth paying for. It was your line of argument and since you said it I assumed you could back it up. The fact that you have resorted to an ad hominem argument is a clear indication you cannot provide a real answer.

    I was really hoping for some good apps - ones that would make me like my phone more.

    Here are some examples that I found:

    Tango - not nearly as popular as Skype but it works. I had ask a couple people to sign up so I can call them. Seems to work and improves the phone by making international calls free. It will be deleted as soon as Skype is available though because all of my contacts have Skype already. So it is a Band-Aid app.

    Stop the Music - does its job. Nice.

    Here are a couple paid apps that I would like to see:

    Hulu Plus
    MLB.TV (currently the highest grossing for iOS, BTW)

    So my question to you is genuine. You seem to really like your phone (at least you are defending WP 7.5 pretty strongly). Part of that is the functionality of the phone you have. Do you have an HTC? What paid apps did you load to improve the overall phone experience? In your experience which turn-by-turn navigation app works the best - most accurate, quick to load, good traffic reporting, etc?
    04-11-2012 10:46 AM
  7. john_allen_1911's Avatar
    Hi,

    I'd like to understand what you are missing with syncing to Outlook and whether you are referring to Outlook at work (which typically uses Exchange as the server infrastructure) or Outlook at home which some people use for mail with their Internet provider.

    I have no problem using my phone with our Exchange infrastructure at work and it uses the same ActiveSync through Exchange to sync mail, calendar, etc. as other platforms like the iPhone (note this is not the old desktop ActiveSync but online through Outlook Web Access). If this is your scenario, what functionality are you missing? Note that the link you sent to Exchange online is related to businesses having Microsoft host their backend Exchange infrastructure rather than supporting their own servers in-house. It's not something that an end-user like yourself would use or subscribe to.

    If you are using Outlook at home for personal use, that's something different and you would not be using Outlook on the phone for that.

    Scott
    This is a topic for another thread - pm sent.
    04-11-2012 11:15 AM
  8. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    mm i didn't read all the post so if someone already mentioned this please ignore me

    1. there are quiet a few good paid GPS apps such as turn by turn and Garmin, and free ones like Drive On (ive never used it so i don't know how good it is), as for OEM apps Nokia Drive takes the cake

    2. Now, important thing to note -> im not trying to take MS off the hook for tapping to get next direction, but apparently the reason was -> MS licensed their tech for navigation from navteq which has a clause in their agreement that MS "MAY NOT"

    -> present or alert an end user to individual maneuvers of a route in any way that is synchronized with the end-user’s sensor-based position along the route, (e.g. “real-time” navigation) <-

    so they kind of got shafted...

    im pretty sure dropbox has an app
    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/ap...2-78e7d1fa76f8

    Skype has a beta app and will be integrated in the next release (wp8)
    http://www.windowscentral.com/skype-...-app-hits-beta

    for skype just keep in mind that the dev at skype didn't implement the ability for it to receive messages while the app isn't open for the sake of avoiding issues with receiving voip calls... pretty dumb but once the integration comes things will be fixed

    now if my search was correct, Log Me In is remote desktop app? if it is there is quiet a few replacements... such as

    PC Remote (which is free)
    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/ap...c-00237de2db9e

    if you don't mind please post other issues that you would like a solution to, i really didn't want to read through the fire in the 3rd page...
    04-11-2012 01:16 PM
  9. john_allen_1911's Avatar
    mm i didn't read all the post so if someone already mentioned this please ignore me

    1. there are quiet a few good paid GPS apps such as turn by turn and Garmin, and free ones like Drive On (ive never used it so i don't know how good it is), as for OEM apps Nokia Drive takes the cake

    2. Now, important thing to note -> im not trying to take MS off the hook for tapping to get next direction, but apparently the reason was -> MS licensed their tech for navigation from navteq which has a clause in their agreement that MS "MAY NOT"

    -> present or alert an end user to individual maneuvers of a route in any way that is synchronized with the end-users sensor-based position along the route, (e.g. real-time navigation) <-

    so they kind of got shafted...

    im pretty sure dropbox has an app
    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/ap...2-78e7d1fa76f8

    Skype has a beta app and will be integrated in the next release (wp8)
    http://www.windowscentral.com/skype-...-app-hits-beta

    for skype just keep in mind that the dev at skype didn't implement the ability for it to receive messages while the app isn't open for the sake of avoiding issues with receiving voip calls... pretty dumb but once the integration comes things will be fixed

    now if my search was correct, Log Me In is remote desktop app? if it is there is quiet a few replacements... such as

    PC Remote (which is free)
    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/ap...c-00237de2db9e

    if you don't mind please post other issues that you would like a solution to, i really didn't want to read through the fire in the 3rd page...
    Dropbox does not have an official app for WP. They are currently using a mobile version of there site to deal with WP. The apps developed for iOS and Android are pretty nice.

    I saw there is a Skype app is coming and as soon as it does I will delete Tango - but I am still waiting like everyone else for a very popular app. I just figured it would be out by now.

    Log Me In is not just a remote desktop connection. I have all my machines set up with it and I can manage other users access to those machines through it. Other people who use Log Me In can give me permission on their machines as well. So what I use it for it involves a bunch of changes not just throwing an app on my phone. Again this is popular software that is available for other mobile OSs. LogMeIn has been talking about development for over a year with no publicly revealed progress. Might be a WP8 thing or possibly the WP market is not big enough yet.

    The voice nav is the biggie. I am not paying for voice nav on a smartphone. It seems that the non-Nokia Windows Phones are the only major smartphones without free voice nav either built-in or developed by a big player in maps. MS should have been a little more thoughtful about ensuring that across carriers and manufacturers that the phones provide similar experiences; it seems logical that they would want customers to have the same bundle of stuff - not one customer getting a good version of the phone and another getting a stripped down version. I have been looking for a free voice nav app and will keep trying until there is a solution or I decide to go another route with my phone (pun intended).

    I appreciate the offer and I will hit you up if there is anything else I am looking for - besides MLB At Bat and Hulu+
    04-11-2012 09:50 PM
  10. john_allen_1911's Avatar
    Duplicate post
    Last edited by john_allen_1911; 04-13-2012 at 02:42 AM.
    04-11-2012 09:51 PM
  11. ousooner314's Avatar
    Dropbox does not have an official app for WP. They are currently using a mobile version of there site to deal with WP. The apps developed for iOS and Android are pretty nice.

    I saw there is a Skype app is coming and as soon as it does I will delete Tango - but I am still waiting like everyone else for a very popular app. I just figured it would be out by now.

    Log Me In is not just a remote desktop connection. I have all my machines set up with it and I can manage other users access to those machines through it. Other people who use Log Me In can give me permission on their machines as well. So what I use it for it involves a bunch of changes not just throwing an app on my phone. Again this is popular software that is available for other mobile OSs. LogMeIn has been talking about development for over a year with no publicly revealed progress. Might be a WP8 thing or possibly the WP market is not big enough yet.

    The voice nav is the biggie. I am not paying for voice nav on a smartphone. It seems that the non-Nokia Windows Phones are the only major smartphones without free voice nav either built-in or developed by a big player in maps. MS should have been a little more thoughtful about ensuring that across carriers and manufacturers that the phones provide similar experiences; it seems logical that they would want customers to have the same bundle of stuff - not one customer getting a good version of the OS and apps and another getting a stripped down version. I have been looking for a free voice nav app and will keep trying until there is a solution or I decide to go another route with my phone (pun intended).

    I appreciate the offer and I will hit you up if there is anything else I am looking for - besides MLB At Bat and Hulu+.
    Looks like MLB At Bat for Windows Phone was released about a couple of weeks back - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/ap...e-b292cc9e364d. Hope this helps, and welcome aboard!
    04-12-2012 01:30 PM
  12. john_allen_1911's Avatar
    Looks like MLB At Bat for Windows Phone was released about a couple of weeks back - http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/ap...e-b292cc9e364d. Hope this helps, and welcome aboard!
    Thanks. I was searching for "MLB" in the store and the first couple pages were way off the mark - so I gave up looking. At least I have baseball back.

    Update: It is like someone stole Christmas. I can get it but I have to pay for it a second time. I have MLB.TV Premium which comes with At Bat - unless you have a Windows Phone (or a BB). Why? Seriously? Like being kicked in the crotch.
    Last edited by john_allen_1911; 04-13-2012 at 03:25 AM. Reason: Bad news keeps coming.
    04-13-2012 02:45 AM
  13. ousooner314's Avatar
    Thanks. I was searching for "MLB" in the store and the first couple pages were way off the mark - so I gave up looking. At least I have baseball back.

    Update: It is like someone stole Christmas. I can get it but I have to pay for it a second time. I have MLB.TV Premium which comes with At Bat - unless you have a Windows Phone (or a BB). Why? Seriously? Like being kicked in the crotch.
    It's probably worth a shot talking to their support team to see if they can waive the charge (or refund after purchase). Good luck!
    04-13-2012 05:24 AM
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