04-23-2012 06:53 AM
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  1. bevt's Avatar
    I've never had to use something like ZUNE before. I could access the files on my phone because the computer saw my phone as a drive. I could copy them to my computer and choose whether or not to delete them just like you do two folders on your computer.

    I'm told Zune "syncs" and you don't get to choose how.

    Does it copy my files to the PC and leave the pics/files on the phone?

    If I move those pictures/files to another folder on my PC does it "sync" and remove them from my phone the next time I sync my phone? Sync to me means 'match' and if it attempts to match a folder on my PC to the phone it would either have to download everything again to the PC folder or delete it from the phone if a file/pic isn't there because I moved it.

    What folder(s) on my PC does Zune use to sync the files/pics on my phone to?

    Zune seems to have the power to lose my files/pics if I don't use it exactly right and right now I'm very uncomfortable with it.
    04-18-2012 11:32 AM
  2. selfcreation's Avatar
    check out the link in my signature , I have a section on SYNC with ZUNE you can also use skydrive ( also int ha tthread)

    :)

    WP7 getting started
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    04-18-2012 11:36 AM
  3. BackToAndroid's Avatar
    I've never had to use something like ZUNE before. I could access the files on my phone because the computer saw my phone as a drive. I could copy them to my computer and choose whether or not to delete them just like you do two folders on your computer.

    I'm told Zune "syncs" and you don't get to choose how.

    Does it copy my files to the PC and leave the pics/files on the phone?

    If I move those pictures/files to another folder on my PC does it "sync" and remove them from my phone the next time I sync my phone? Sync to me means 'match' and if it attempts to match a folder on my PC to the phone it would either have to download everything again to the PC folder or delete it from the phone if a file/pic isn't there because I moved it.

    What folder(s) on my PC does Zune use to sync the files/pics on my phone to?

    Zune seems to have the power to lose my files/pics if I don't use it exactly right and right now I'm very uncomfortable with it.
    Yes, Zune sucks. It's unintuitive and has a tangle of options that only reveal themselves via serendipity. Same goes for the "Live" website; you're never quite certain that every option that is available has been reviewed. Thankfully Zune is slated for replacement on the next major upgrade (reportedly.)
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    04-18-2012 06:58 PM
  4. canesfan625's Avatar
    Yes, Zune sucks. It's unintuitive and has a tangle of options that only reveal themselves via serendipity. Same goes for the "Live" website; you're never quite certain that every option that is available has been reviewed. Thankfully Zune is slated for replacement on the next major upgrade (reportedly.)
    So the button that says sync options is just impossibly difficult?
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    04-18-2012 07:03 PM
  5. BackToAndroid's Avatar
    So the button that says sync options is just impossibly difficult?
    I didn't say "difficult", just unintuitive.
    04-18-2012 07:08 PM
  6. jimski's Avatar
    Haven't lost anything in 18 months. Drag and drop. Works for me.

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    04-18-2012 07:31 PM
  7. mprice86's Avatar
    I'm told Zune "syncs" and you don't get to choose how.
    Of course you get to choose how. You can choose individual songs, albums, artists, genres, only songs that you've favourited, etc. etc. The same goes for all the media types.

    Does it copy my files to the PC and leave the pics/files on the phone?
    You can choose this as well, up to you if you want them left on the device once they've been copied.

    If I move those pictures/files to another folder on my PC does it "sync" and remove them from my phone the next time I sync my phone? Sync to me means 'match' and if it attempts to match a folder on my PC to the phone it would either have to download everything again to the PC folder or delete it from the phone if a file/pic isn't there because I moved it.
    Short answer, no. Longer answer; syncing isn't matching. When you connect your phone to Zune it copies over the new photos you've taken, they are stored to a new folder inside "My Pictures" called "From [your phone name here]".

    You can choose to keep the originals on the phone or have them removed once they are synced; I recommend keeping them on the phone just in case you want a backup. Once the photos are on the computer you can do whatever you like with them, it wont affect the copies on your phone. Similarly, Zune knows what it has synced, so if you delete or move those images on your computer, it wont sync them again (unless you ask it to).

    Zune seems to have the power to lose my files/pics if I don't use it exactly right and right now I'm very uncomfortable with it.
    Zune has as much power as you give it. Certainly it will not delete anything unless you ask it to. Nor will it sync anything you don't permit it to. You get as many, probably more, warning messages from Zune about doing things as you would have done when using Windows Explorer to copy things to your other phone.
    04-18-2012 07:41 PM
  8. johnmcd348's Avatar
    It's going to take alot and I do mean ALOT of getting used to. Especially if you're like me and come from ActiveSync and WMDC. After nearly a year, I still find myself figuring out how to get things over to the phone or loading "To The Cloud......" so I can have access to it on my phone.

    Does it suck? Yes, Very Much. Is it the way things are going with mobile device "convergence" between phone, computer, network, et, etc, etc? Yes.

    Like me, You're just going to have to deal with it and get used to it. Until someone figures out the hacks to get around all of it, we're pretty much stck with it. And it doens't matter what platform you are on, Windows, Apple, Droid, they all pretty much do it that way. It just is, what it is.
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    04-18-2012 08:07 PM
  9. bevt's Avatar
    I just don't see why you would ever need to go through a program like this to transfer files. If a phone can be seen as a drive you can just pull whatever you want from it just like a USB drive.

    I realize this is the way it's going and I'm going to have to deal with it but it is a lot of hoops for people to jump through. I guess it forces me to go to Zune so maybe I'll buy there. That won't be happening.
    04-18-2012 08:58 PM
  10. canesfan625's Avatar
    I just don't see why you would ever need to go through a program like this to transfer files. If a phone can be seen as a drive you can just pull whatever you want from it just like a USB drive.

    I realize this is the way it's going and I'm going to have to deal with it but it is a lot of hoops for people to jump through. I guess it forces me to go to Zune so maybe I'll buy there. That won't be happening.

    You can't just go transferring things willy nilly. Windows Phone is not configured as a mass storage because it isnt a mass storage device and because of the way the file system works. The USB hacks that are floating around can actually cause Zune to throw a fit when you sync.

    The complains are overly dramatic though. Hoops? When you get down to it its not that much different than iTunes in its basics.

    -EDIT- Found what I was looking for.

    Microsoft very specifically designed Windows Phone not to be used in this way. The software giant is no stranger to mass storage, obviously, and if this wasn’t going to cause problems, they would of course have designed Windows Phone otherwise.

    Here’s what Microsoft corporate vice president Joe Belfiore said to me on this topic the day after the Windows Phone 7 launch event in New York late last month:

    “Windows Phone is not a mass storage device. It’s a Zune device. The data on the phone must be consistent, and [the system] needs to be able to identify items in storage. We don’t want the user to have to do that stuff manually. Yes, some may want to. But we wanted a synchronization system that was simple and easy and does metadata mappings automatically.”
    Last edited by Canesfan625; 04-18-2012 at 09:47 PM.
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    04-18-2012 09:39 PM
  11. jfa1's Avatar
    So the button that says sync options is just impossibly difficult?
    It would appear to be that way for some at any rate!
    04-18-2012 10:21 PM
  12. jfa1's Avatar
    I didn't say "difficult", just unintuitive.
    ????
    04-18-2012 10:22 PM
  13. bevt's Avatar
    ITunes is no better - I agree. I used webOS for 2 years and managed my files efficiently and easily. That MS excuse is pretty lame.
    04-19-2012 05:18 AM
  14. canesfan625's Avatar
    ITunes is no better - I agree. I used webOS for 2 years and managed my files efficiently and easily. That MS excuse is pretty lame.
    is it? Alright, google around and look at the people that have had problems after using the hack. Ranges from not showing device in Zune for some reason to showing two and other issues.
    04-19-2012 05:59 AM
  15. johnmcd348's Avatar
    My 1 and biggest complaint about WP is the relative inability to be able to load files onto the device. For years I was able to create files with Word, Excel, etc and send them to my iPaq and later my Axims and the file would sync and convert back and forth between device and PC effortlessly with no problems. I could create it on my computer, take it with me, edit it when away and return it back to the computer for other addendum's. I could move photos or any other item as needed and there wasn't any problem. It was nearly like a true handheld computer.

    WP? Not so much. I just can't understand why you have a device/OS that's written to represent a software company that creates the OS that many use on their home computer and it cannot easily communicate with each other. When Win8 comes out and WP8 come out, will there be any ability for cross communication or will it just be another version of Zune? MS doesn't even really support the Zune Players anymore so why is it so important to look at the new WP7/WP8 devices as a Zune player that happens to be a phone also? Just because it worked for Apples marketing, doesn't mean it'll work here.

    OK, I'll stop before this becomes a rant. I do like my Arrive and appreciate how well WP7 works compared to the slowness of the older WM devices
    04-19-2012 09:29 PM
  16. Verkunder's Avatar
    One word: Skydrive.

    And you people saying Zune sucks really need to lighten up.
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    04-19-2012 10:21 PM
  17. boss.king's Avatar
    If Zune integration is such big issue, then maybe WP7 is not the OS for you. I suggest you give Android a shot.

    To the majority of the population, a media player like Zune, iTunes, etc, is a much more efficient way to manage your media and syncing. I can't imaging trying to keep track of what songs I want to add/remove or what photos I want where manually in this day and age, it just seems like extra work.
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    04-19-2012 10:29 PM
  18. canesfan625's Avatar
    If Zune integration is such big issue, then maybe WP7 is not the OS for you. I suggest you give Android a shot.

    To the majority of the population, a media player like Zune, iTunes, etc, is a much more efficient way to manage your media and syncing. I can't imaging trying to keep track of what songs I want to add/remove or what photos I want where manually in this day and age, it just seems like extra work.
    The irony is that even people on Android still use Android Commander and things like it..
    04-20-2012 05:14 AM
  19. gapost's Avatar
    I just don't get why people seem to hate Zune. I have used Itunes, WMP and had the usb drive option on my Pre. MS is looking toward the future with cloud computing and if you use Office 2010, it is very integrated. You can save and open your documents straight from Sky Drive. That way, you only need one copy and can access it from whereever you are. Granted, if you aren't connected to the network, it could be a hassle, but it can be downloaded.

    As far as music and photos and videos, zune found them on my computer. It's just a matter of dragging and dropping and they are formatted well. On the Pre, if you dragged an album to the phone, the art would be all messed up. If you have an .avi or xvid movie, zune will convert it as it puts it on your phone.

    And if you have Zune Pass, it works great with Zune.
    04-20-2012 05:56 AM
  20. selfcreation's Avatar
    I dont get why people say zune sucks for sync

    step 1. create a folder
    step 2. sync your phone..
    step 3. go for a Jog.

    im gona MISS zune when it leaves its like 100times better then Itune
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    04-20-2012 09:09 AM
  21. canesfan625's Avatar
    I dont get why people say zune sucks for sync

    step 1. create a folder
    step 2. sync your phone..
    step 3. go for a Jog.

    im gona MISS zune when it leaves its like 100times better then Itune
    I doubt what they replace it with will be functionally different. Probably more of a re-brand
    04-20-2012 09:28 AM
  22. jasqid's Avatar
    My 1 and biggest complaint about WP is the relative inability to be able to load files onto the device. For years I was able to create files with Word, Excel, etc and send them to my iPaq and later my Axims and the file would sync and convert back and forth between device and PC effortlessly with no problems. I could create it on my computer, take it with me, edit it when away and return it back to the computer for other addendum's. I could move photos or any other item as needed and there wasn't any problem. It was nearly like a true handheld computer.

    WP? Not so much. I just can't understand why you have a device/OS that's written to represent a software company that creates the OS that many use on their home computer and it cannot easily communicate with each other. When Win8 comes out and WP8 come out, will there be any ability for cross communication or will it just be another version of Zune? MS doesn't even really support the Zune Players anymore so why is it so important to look at the new WP7/WP8 devices as a Zune player that happens to be a phone also? Just because it worked for Apples marketing, doesn't mean it'll work here.

    OK, I'll stop before this becomes a rant. I do like my Arrive and appreciate how well WP7 works compared to the slowness of the older WM devices
    In reality, if you are using office files WP is the best. If you create a file on your PC, use save to skydive and its automatically on your phone. If using win 7 and is 9. Pin the SkyDrive web icon to your taskbar makes it even better!

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    04-20-2012 09:38 AM
  23. ubizmo's Avatar
    Count me as one of the people who will be glad to see Zune go away...although I suppose it depends on what takes its place. I've never used iTunes, so I'm unmoved by the claim that Zune is "way better" than iTunes.

    First of all, the meaning of "sync" in the actual English language is for two things to act in synchrony, so that what happens to one happens to the other. So if I create a "media folder" on my computer, and I put music, photos, videos, and documents in it, anything I add to that folder gets added to my phone; anything I delete gets deleted from my phone; and anything I add or delete from my phone gets added to or deleted from the folder. That's what sync means.

    The question is: Why would I want to do things that way? Why would I want to have a folder on my computer that is a mirror of what's on my phone? I can understand this in the case of documents that I'm actually editing, because I'm changing those files and like to be able to access the most current versions from various devices. And I understand the reason to back up files to the cloud or wherever, but backing up isn't the same as syncing.
    04-20-2012 10:54 AM
  24. johnmcd348's Avatar
    In reality, if you are using office files WP is the best. If you create a file on your PC, use save to skydive and its automatically on your phone. If using win 7 and is 9. Pin the SkyDrive web icon to your taskbar makes it even better!

    Sent from my T7575 using Board Express
    I guess my problem is that I'm kinda "Old School" and just don't trust the interwebs to safeguard my files and information. I'm no conspiracy theorist and truly, nothing I put up there has any super secret classified meanings. I just don't like the idea of having to post things to the web in order to get them to my phone. When, I could be safer by using my home computer that is not always tied into the network to store, manipulate, and create my files and then post them to my phone and it all stays in my little circle to only be shared with who I decide. Maybe I'm a control freak, I don't know. Just posting to s network that has potentially billions of users just doesn't appeal to me. I'm getting used to the idea of "The Cloud" but still not real comfortable with the idea.
    04-20-2012 01:02 PM
  25. BackToAndroid's Avatar
    I guess my problem is that I'm kinda "Old School" and just don't trust the interwebs to safeguard my files and information. I'm no conspiracy theorist and truly, nothing I put up there has any super secret classified meanings. I just don't like the idea of having to post things to the web in order to get them to my phone. When, I could be safer by using my home computer that is not always tied into the network to store, manipulate, and create my files and then post them to my phone and it all stays in my little circle to only be shared with who I decide. Maybe I'm a control freak, I don't know. Just posting to s network that has potentially billions of users just doesn't appeal to me. I'm getting used to the idea of "The Cloud" but still not real comfortable with the idea.
    I'm with you all the way on that. Recently, some security expert described Facebook as a man-in-the-middle attack against your private life, and I feel the same way about all this "cloud" nonsense. Potentially - with a slight brush of your hand in the camera settings, you could end up hosting all of your private photographs on a remote server that is accessible from the internet 24/7.

    I had a brief exchange with a Windows developer who shared my concerns, she thought that we are just one news story away from waking people up to the potential dangers. I very much agree. Of course, this stuff is not exclusive to Windows phones, but MS seems overly enthusiastic about getting your stuff onto their servers.

    Itunes sucks just as badly IMO. I removed it 10 minutes after the first install and found a free alternative that was simple, intuitive and slim.
    04-20-2012 02:54 PM
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