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  1. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    ... So.. why do you think it's called 'Apollo'?
    After Mango, followed Tango (not official though). Some call it Mango-refresh.

    If Apollo was true, what could it be followed by? Something rhyming?

    Anyone up for a better name?
    04-21-2012 03:35 AM
  2. lippidp's Avatar
    I'm sure Microsoft is going to do the best they can.

    That said, I wish people would realize that sometimes companies just can't make every major system software update retroactively compatible to every device ever made. It's not fair to expect that, and if they do focus on supporting people with 3 year old phones as a main priority, that could easily hold back progress and keep WP8 from being as good as it could be.

    Personally, I think the onerous demands for endless backwards compatibility have held Windows desktop OS's from being as good as they could be for years. There's just so many people, companies etc, out there clinging to Windows XP and crappy old software and 7 year old PC's that Microsoft has to work twice as hard to escape the inertia.

    So, yes, hopefully WP8 will be available for all the phones, but to expect that, to think you're entitled to demand it for a 3 year old phone or you're going to throw a temper tantrum and go to another OS I think it's a little ridiculous.

    I will be delighted if we can all have Apollo, but barring that, a nice refresh update that takes care of a few of the major requested missing features and a taste of Apollo stuff would be a satisfactory concession prize IMO.

    I'm not a developer, but I do understand Apollo is not like the upgrade from 7 to Mango. It's a major rewrite of the whole enchilada. Entirely new kernel, no more Win CE 6.0, based on the NT kernel instead like the desktop OS's. It's major stuff.
    When Apollo is expected to be delivered the oldest WP will be 2 years old, not 3.
    04-23-2012 12:59 AM
  3. ninjaap's Avatar
    When Apollo is expected to be delivered the oldest WP will be 2 years old, not 3.
    I think he was referring to our Canadian brethrens, who are locked into 3 year contracts and demand 3 years of support from MS.
    04-23-2012 02:23 AM
  4. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Then buy another Android.

    No one's saying they don't care. Some of us are just smart enough not to freak the f*ck out about stupid inconsequential bullish*t like this when there is no solid information yet.

    Here's an idea. How about we all patiently wait like grown ups and see what happens instead of freaking out like 5 year olds throwing temper tantrums every day when a rumor site spews some nonsense from an "unnamed source"?
    See, most of the time, my train of thought mirrors the above.

    At the end of the day, these *are* only phones. Consumer gadgets. So it's best to not blow it all up into some wailing wall of worry.

    Where I *will* disagree is the fact that it's totally unimportant; it *will* be important for both Microsoft and Nokia come the 2012 holiday season starting this Fall, and they're going to be attempting to sell Windows Phones with the supposed new OS.

    Gadget consumers have long memories, and if they feel a shred of doubt about either of these two companies, and if/or they mishandle this lack-of-update issue, they'll look elsewhere.

    Let's not forget that in the same time frame, this Fall, is when iPhone 5 also supposedly ships, so it's not like consumers won't have other *easy* options.

    So, yeah......
    04-23-2012 08:35 PM
  5. N8ter's Avatar
    How is WP7 not different from Android in the upgrades?

    I've used 3 Android phones (including HTC Sensation XL). All the phones when I bought were in mid of the OS-cycles and were upgrade-ready for the next version.

    Guess what?

    None of those, not even HTC Sensation XL which was meant to upgrade in December 2011, ever got an upgrade! - Do I see anyone yelling at Google? Nope.

    With Android you have to buy a new phone to get a new OS. With Windows Phone, you won't have to buy a new phone to get the next OS. Even if "Apollo" doesn't hit Lumia 900 or HTC Titan II, it's features will. To run 'real Apollo' you MUST have the Apollo device for the obvious reasons. OS features will come to these handsets, no matter what the 'sources' say. Things like folders, background tasks, UI updates, themes etc - without fail are making it to all the phones. That won't happen with Android ever.
    You're wrong. The Samsung Galaxy S went from Eclaire to FroYo to Gingerbread. That's 2 full upgrades. The US versions went to FroYo but the Sprint version of it went to Gingerbread (Epic 4G) - US has more issues with updates due to the carriers interfering and modifying the devices.

    My mom's HTC Inspire 4G went from FroYo to Gingerbread via OTA update.

    The Droid X went from Eclair to FroYo to Gingerbread.

    You're wrong in too many cases. Flagship Android phones do not get left behind like that. They are in 90% of cases well-supported for at least the first year of their life even with heavy carrier/OEM customization.

    Verizon/Sprint and even AT&T's Android updates have been way better than their WP7 updates despite the OS being barely customized and them having comparatively very very few of those devices compared to the Android devices.

    P.S. T-Mobile is actually becoming one of the worst carriers for smartphone updates these days for Android. Remember the #NeverAgain campaign for the Vibrant FroYo update that made headlines?

    The OEMs/Carriers seem to not be dragging their feet on ICS updates, though...
    04-23-2012 10:00 PM
  6. N8ter's Avatar
    Really? REALLY? All your Androids have gotten 2-3 updates? I have news for you... all my WP devices have gotten more than 3 updates.

    Many people moved from Android, because they don't want to deal with custom roms galore. So yes, who cares?
    Your windows phones have gotten one major update - Mango. And I'm assuming they didn't come with Mango pre-installed. Surely you aren't going to refer to NoDo and 8107 as major updates, no? I mean, even Android phones get minor updates that add features.

    Samsung Vibrant was abandoned at FroYo and even it got like 5 updates from T-Mobile, including several maintenance updates.

    Droid X/Epic 4G and others went from Eclair to Gingerbread.

    No one is forcing anyone to deal with custom ROMs on Android, and WP7 has custom ROMs as well. Tens of millions of Android users probably don't even know what a Custom ROM is. The amount of people who have ever visited XDA+Android Central since they began is probably less than 5% of the total world-wide Android user base of people who have Android phones and use them RIGHT NOW.
    04-23-2012 10:06 PM
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