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  1. ThomasT626's Avatar
    I don't dislike WP7. I'm waiting for a WP7 phone on Verizon. But the hatred and misunderstanding of Android here is inexplicable and incredibly off-putting. I agree that Android's marketshare could very possibly fall--Apple is selling a ****ton of iphones. And your reasoning re: Android/WP7 don't really make sense--there were a ton of WP7 phones released by multiple manufacturers. Microsoft was smart not to go the Apple route there.
    Being someone who currently owns a Thunderbolt on Verizon, I completely agree. I was thinking about switching to ATT for the Lumia 900, but decided against it. My Thunderbolt has turned into a relatively great device after the updates. And a big thanks to the OP for giving us current Android users a taste of some things we'd currently miss with WP.

    I'm due for an upgrade in November and I'll seriously consider switching to WP if Verizon releases an Apollo phone. Until then, threads like this just better inform me as a consumer with no real hands-on WP experience, but an interest in the platform. If you've had a bad experience with Android, fine. No need to trash the OP though for his thoughts on the differences between the two. That's very off-putting.
    04-26-2012 04:01 AM
  2. koolkid09's Avatar
    I don't normally comment. Just lurk. But this whole thread is funny.

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    04-26-2012 04:19 AM
  3. AngryNil's Avatar
    No need to trash the OP though for his thoughts on the differences between the two. That's very off-putting.
    There are many threads which point out the fallacies of Windows Phone without presenting it as useless next to a feature phone. The problem is that the OP seems to believe that his specific needs for a smartphone are indicative of the mass market's needs, and that Windows Phone is inferior as a platform because it doesn't match up to his personal expectations of a smartphone (he expects functionality present in only one of the major platforms).

    Windows Phone isn't for everyone. I have helped many friends choose an Android device and in some cases, provide tech support when things go wrong. This is because I see the distinction between what I need in a phone and what others need. The OP does not see this, and hence this whole thread appears to be borderline trolling.
    Last edited by AngryNil; 04-26-2012 at 09:00 AM.
    04-26-2012 05:55 AM
  4. madhouse1616's Avatar
    As far as android versus iphone sales, I would like to see some statistics showing what percentage of android sales are from phones that cost $50 or less. Currently the only iphone in that price range is the 3GS on AT&T. I am of the opinion that low priced android phones are part of the reason for android having the market share it has. I am interested to see how android sales are affected when the next iphone is released. Verizon and AT&T should both have the iphone at free or near free, mid-range and top end prices.
    To me this is the "real" advantage android has enjoyed and why it's so widespread...has nothing to with the os per se but the fact that they've been able to make it cheaply which has allowed manufacters a larger profit margin on phone sales ...thus increased market penatration

    In addition...admittedly there are some things that microsoft should have done when introducing wp7 but to me this is no different than android or ios...I'm sure they are going to catch up..no different when android was introduced people bi**hed and whined about what it didn't do or why is anyone intrested because there aren't enough apps?? remember those days
    Last edited by madhouse1616; 04-26-2012 at 08:07 AM.
    04-26-2012 08:00 AM
  5. gsquared's Avatar
    Recent job hours reductions forced me off my WP7 Arrive as a smartphone to just a PDA and back to the Feature Phone Sanyo scp8400.

    What has come to light is that I DO prefer custom alert tones for DIFFERENT notices which come through fine on the Sanyo, but as we all know are NOT available on WP! Hmmm, but Android does, and so does iOS now.

    I cannot exchange the great pix and videos from my Arrive to my Netbook or my laptop unless I have ZUNE AND a Wi FI connection - not always available when I am in the field. WHY isn't Bluetooth file exchange turned on? But hmmm, Android does bluetooth file exchange.

    My WP7 phone ( and most of the ones out there) don't even utilize a micro SD card - so cannot simply swap a card to change files! But the Sanyo feature phone has a swappable micro SD card! As do most Android phones.

    I have no file explorer on board. But the Sanyo feature phone does! I can view files saved o the phone as well as files saved to the card.

    WP7 touts "integration" - but with WHAT? I can't use it as a USB device - but my Sanyo feature phone does!

    Skydrive files don't want to open on my phone, and if they open it is read only - they aren't editable and my phone files don't want to open in skydrive! The office app installed on the phone is NOT backwards compatible with older Office files - and converting them is creating a nightmare of files between my laptop, skydrive and the phone and requires an investment of incredible amounts of time as well as an upgrade of office to the tune of close to 200.00!

    Synchronzing of files via ZUNE is NOT quick, nor intuitive, nor synchronistic! Files get duplicated, not deleted, or deleted on one device and not the other requiring me to follow behind the sync to clean up the mess!

    Even as simply a WI-FI device my notices from facebook, and through people hub don't update automatically.

    IF I was to get a tablet - I couldn't exchange anything with my phone unless there was a Wi-FI, and then its very likely that any files exchanged couldn't be edited anyway , connection so this pretty to look at smartphone ends up pretty dumb!

    I'm rebuilding my service business as part time income and will need a way to:

    1) take photos and videos, quickly draw lines on them to emphasize features and points of interest or that need attention.
    2) Offer input of findings to excel spread sheets.
    3) Create invoices.
    4) Take payments while in the field - using MORE than just a Wi-FI but none of the Card reader companies look like they are or will be supporting WP devices!
    5) Recognize various communication alerts to know which ones to respond to immediately or ones that can wait a few moments, so as not to interrupt work at hand.

    The current 8107 update doesn't address ANY of these issues.

    Sure WP7 is visually pleasing; except that I cannot even personalize the device beyond ten colors of tiles. So far the device itself has NOT been buggy. The Arrive is solid, but the physical case buttons are all in the wrong places and persistently aggravate me when they get bumped. The screen is crystal clear, responsive with no visible pixelation; but the capacitive buttons are extremely annoying and seem hypersensitive. Marketplace apps are growing, but I don't give a crap about games of war or Angry birds or Pac Man! I simply want but to have a device actually INTEGRATE with actual business TOOLS (that Microsoft created and I already use)! It appears that I looked in the wrong place to "get things done"!

    :unsure: Am beginning to think that the "dark side of Android" may be just a gray area afterall - because things for me here in WP7 land are looking pretty dim!
    Don't know why you felt the need to post your wall of text but I guess adios to ya.

    Oh, and a word of advise. Never tell strangers your personal problems. 80% of us don't care and the other 20% are glad you have them.
    04-26-2012 08:53 AM
  6. koolkid09's Avatar
    Don't know why you felt the need to post your wall of text but I guess adios to ya.

    Oh, and a word of advise. Never tell strangers your personal problems. 80% of us don't care and the other 20% are glad you have them.
    Where do you fit?

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk 2
    04-26-2012 08:57 AM
  7. Forgewizard's Avatar
    @ irlju: say what? "nonsensical filth"? "trolling"? "YOUR needs"?

    I don't suppose YOU'VE loaded the "Suggestion Box" app on your WP have you?

    If you did you'd see that as of today - 04-26-12:

    12929 votes are in by people wanting custom sounds for SMS,MMS,EMAIL notifications;
    14,788 votes are in by people wanting bluetooth file transfer (from three different suggestions)!
    11488 votes are in by people wanting USB transfer/storage capabilities.
    3376 votes are in by people wanting a File Explorer/Manager system on device.

    oh, and irlju.... those votes are NOT all posted by ME - nope - there are a LOT of Windows Phone users who have voted on these as well as many other "wants" for WP.

    That's 42,581 votes from people using the same platform that want the same things in their device as me- huh - IMAGINE THAT! oh but I suppose you'd say we are all just looking for that pie in the sky utopian device, right? These votes are coming in from more than your supposition of "hardly next to no one cares about the operating system".

    Considering that these few things are something that MS had already offered in their OLDER WinMO devices, these simple suggestions to enable or implement actions shouldn't have been left off this high end device in the first place, so IF they were available these abilities just MAY bring a new crowd of purchasers to WP!

    The Suggestion box app is only utilized by people already USING WP - so don't presume we are trolls! The suggestions are made in the hopes that MS is actually listening beyond the flibbertygibbets that simply want the newest rendition of some game or social app.

    Just think of it for a moment... a pocketable device that CAN do the business side, CAN transfer files easily among devices via bluetooth, and has a solid, easy to use, stunning OS that interacts well with social sites.

    I've had to email each of my office files to myself off the device individually, email by email per file because there is no file manager to select multiple files to attach. As a matter of fact when sending an attachment from the email it simply defaults to photos! You have to be in the Office app on each individual file in order to email it! That is NOT efficient or smooth or integrated. Now I have to open each individual email and send to skydrive!

    I've reset the Office app according to the WP help site. Downloaded an excel file, edited it, saved it and when the device synced with skydrive it created a second file - a copy of the original but with a new file name synced again, and now there are two tiles on my device with the same file name! IS this happening to anyone else using WP7 and Office?

    Obviously this is not a forum wherein people can exchange experiences or thoughts - but simply a club for fans, how dare I speak in favor of an alternate OS or an old feature phone?

    Anyone here ever belong to a car club? Whether VW or Vette each car owner prefers their vehicle over the other, for specific reasons and each owner will vehemently defend his car as being BETTER than the other, yet each car owner will still tinker with their own car to improve it or make it stand out from the crowd. Some will even borrow ideas from the other to make their car "better still"!

    WP has a decent engine on a working chassis but the linkage between transmission and engine is broken - so the vehicle just simply looks good sitting there! You can sit in it and listen to it go vroom vroom - but you can't USE it to even get your groceries! Forget about using it for work!
    04-26-2012 09:55 AM
  8. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Why are you here?

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    04-26-2012 10:04 AM
  9. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    @ irlju: say what? "nonsensical filth"? "trolling"? "YOUR needs"?

    I don't suppose YOU'VE loaded the "Suggestion Box" app on your WP have you?

    If you did you'd see that as of today - 04-26-12:

    12929 votes are in by people wanting custom sounds for SMS,MMS,EMAIL notifications;
    14,788 votes are in by people wanting bluetooth file transfer (from three different suggestions)!
    11488 votes are in by people wanting USB transfer/storage capabilities.
    3376 votes are in by people wanting a File Explorer/Manager system on device.

    oh, and irlju.... those votes are NOT all posted by ME - nope - there are a LOT of Windows Phone users who have voted on these as well as many other "wants" for WP.

    That's 42,581 votes from people using the same platform that want the same things in their device as me- huh - IMAGINE THAT! oh but I suppose you'd say we are all just looking for that pie in the sky utopian device, right? These votes are coming in from more than your supposition of "hardly next to no one cares about the operating system".

    Considering that these few things are something that MS had already offered in their OLDER WinMO devices, these simple suggestions to enable or implement actions shouldn't have been left off this high end device in the first place, so IF they were available these abilities just MAY bring a new crowd of purchasers to WP!

    The Suggestion box app is only utilized by people already USING WP - so don't presume we are trolls! The suggestions are made in the hopes that MS is actually listening beyond the flibbertygibbets that simply want the newest rendition of some game or social app.

    I've had to email each of my office files to myself off the device individually, email by email per file because there is no file manager to select multiple files to attach. As a matter of fact when sending an attachment from the email it simply defaults to photos! You have to be in the Office app on each individual file in order to email it! That is NOT efficient or smooth or integrated. Now I have to open each individual email and send to skydrive!

    I've reset the Office app according to the WP help site. Downloaded an excel file, edited it, saved it and when the device synced with skydrive it created a second file - a copy of the original but with a new file name synced again, and now there are two tiles on my device with the same file name! IS this happening to anyone else using WP7 and Office?
    Sorry to pee on your parade. I am going to answer your post regarding office, but first let me again clarify that although you try your best to come across as someone who wants to positively and constructively criticize the OS, your misinformed, misresearched and half truth claims make me think otherwise. Suggestion Box App can be used other than app - online. People can vote. In places like that and uservoice- the user can vote place upto 3 votes per suggestion. Also one user can log in with at least 3 ways. Here is an example. I've voted in developer user voice for a suggestion regarding APIs with 9 votes! 1 person, 9 votes yes. I logged in with FB id - 3 votes, Twitter - 3 votes, my hotmail id - 3 votes.

    So even if those votes are by only 1 log in, potentially 3 votes per person so technically about 14,000 WP users including you - want those features. Did you know based on FB integration via WP, it's estimated 2 days ago that there are 12 million handsets out there?

    14,000 suggestion deciding what MSFT should do for 12 million handsets? REALLY???

    This is considering not everyone like me wants to vote a lot. However, hypothetically someone was as pathetic as me and gave 9 votes a suggestion, we are looking at ONLY 5111 users demanding these changes!!!

    Also you said somewhere that MSFT don't listen to user voice and suggestion boxes? Did you witness NoDo to Mango transition? Go to user voice and look at the tab that says "accepted" - those ideas were included between this transition. They are at least 88 of them!!

    Now coming to your issue.

    You DOWNLOADED an Excel file. That means you saved a copy on your Phone. Then you synced the file that means you UPLOADED A COPY to SkyDrive - This shows why you have 2 tiles.

    The tiles are merely a list of items you 'recently' opened. My suggestion would be OPEN a file in SkyDrive, edit it and just click SAVE. NOT SAVE AS. If you do SAVE AS, it will ask you to make a local copy or upload and this is where you think you are duplicating.

    Don't go by the tiles in your 'recent documents' - Go by what is inside the folders under the scree LOCATIONS. i.e. what is inside Skydrive is on your skydrive. What is inside your Phone folder is locally on your phone. What is on your SharePoint folder is on sharepoint and what is on OFFFICE365 is on Office365.

    Hope this clears up the confusion with the Windows Phone and Office. As I said earlier in your my post - I have a feeling you are not using the Office Hub as it should be used. Also get the SkyDrive app. I am still wondering why would you want to do that one file one email. If you want to send a few files to someone, just go to skydrive app, make a folder for say "John" put files for John in that folder. Long tap, create a share link and give that link to John in an email. That way you don't have to email him the files and he can see those files, edit them on your Skydrive so you can get updated files on your skydrive after he is done fiddling with it. And in future if you need to share exact same files John edited with Tom, you can send the link to Tom and now Tom and John and see and edit as they wish!
    04-26-2012 11:06 AM
  10. N8ter's Avatar
    That suggestion box app is useless as every suggestion is filled with a ton of people saying they like it that way, even for stuff that is obviously broken or deficient. Either it works for them or they like it that way. Useless until they start moderating that site, IMO.

    Also NoDo to mango transition has nothing to do wiht a suggestion box since IIRC that app didn't exist until after Mango was released. Mango was just the rest of WP7 that they wanted to put in the 1.0 release but coulnd't because they had to rush it to market ASAP.

    There is too much noise at that site. It's hard to get to the people with legit posts about the issues listed because it's spammed by defenders. Same thing happens at the Android site, BTW, which is why I never paid it any mind either.
    04-26-2012 11:08 AM
  11. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    That suggestion box app is useless as every suggestion is filled with a ton of people saying they like it that way, even for stuff that is obviously broken or deficient. Either it works for them or they like it that way. Useless until they start moderating that site, IMO.

    Also NoDo to mango transition has nothing to do wiht a suggestion box since IIRC that app didn't exist until after Mango was released. Mango was just the rest of WP7 that they wanted to put in the 1.0 release but coulnd't because they had to rush it to market ASAP.

    There is too much noise at that site. It's hard to get to the people with legit posts about the issues listed because it's spammed by defenders. Same thing happens at the Android site, BTW, which is why I never paid it any mind either.
    Plus, the couple times I went there, I saw people posting the same suggestions over and over instead of voting for a suggestion that already existed. Just like how on forums not many people search before posting a new thread. They really need to start moderating that site. It's a mess.
    04-26-2012 12:09 PM
  12. ubizmo's Avatar
    Plus, the couple times I went there, I saw people posting the same suggestions over and over instead of voting for a suggestion that already existed. Just like how on forums not many people search before posting a new thread. They really need to start moderating that site. It's a mess.
    It is a mess, but I don't think it's meant to be anything but a way to collect ideas and get a crude estimate of how popular then are. It really doesn't matter how well moderated it is. Someone will have the job of going through the responses and sorting them out, but it's not intended to be a scientific survey.

    I think it's a good thing that the site and app exist; it's good to give users a chance to express their likes and dislikes. But everything they get has to be filtered through their own design philosophy and vision for WP. As others have pointed out, it's not meant to be just a pastiche of other OS features. It's supposed to be a new way of doing things.
    04-26-2012 12:21 PM
  13. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    It is a mess, but I don't think it's meant to be anything but a way to collect ideas and get a crude estimate of how popular then are. It really doesn't matter how well moderated it is. Someone will have the job of going through the responses and sorting them out, but it's not intended to be a scientific survey.

    I think it's a good thing that the site and app exist; it's good to give users a chance to express their likes and dislikes. But everything they get has to be filtered through their own design philosophy and vision for WP. As others have pointed out, it's not meant to be just a pastiche of other OS features. It's supposed to be a new way of doing things.
    But it's hard to find out how popular an idea is if you have the votes split across seven suggestions that are pretty much the same. And actually, I don't think you can search for suggestions on that site. That's probably why people post new suggestions instead of looking to see if someone has already suggested it.
    04-26-2012 01:04 PM
  14. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    But it's hard to find out how popular an idea is if you have the votes split across seven suggestions that are pretty much the same. And actually, I don't think you can search for suggestions on that site. That's probably why people post new suggestions instead of looking to see if someone has already suggested it.
    Even if there was a search option, no one would use it. Just glance at our forums! ;)
    04-26-2012 01:37 PM
  15. ubizmo's Avatar
    But it's hard to find out how popular an idea is if you have the votes split across seven suggestions that are pretty much the same. And actually, I don't think you can search for suggestions on that site. That's probably why people post new suggestions instead of looking to see if someone has already suggested it.
    That's why it'll take actual human beings to sort the various suggestions into stacks of variations on a theme--not that hard to do, really.

    The only way to avoid the duplicate suggestions would be to structure it as a poll of some sort, with predefined suggestions. But that would defeat (part of) the purpose, which is to get ideas.
    04-26-2012 01:53 PM
  16. ThomasT626's Avatar
    There are many threads which point out the fallacies of Windows Phone without presenting it as useless next to a feature phone. The problem is that the OP seems to believe that his specific needs for a smartphone are indicative of the mass market's needs, and that Windows Phone is inferior as a platform because it doesn't match up to his personal expectations of a smartphone (he expects functionality present in only one of the major platforms).

    Windows Phone isn't for everyone. I have helped many friends choose an Android device and in some cases, provide tech support when things go wrong. This is because I see the distinction between what I need in a phone and what others need. The OP does not see this, and hence this whole thread appears to be borderline trolling.
    Eh, I look at it more as constructive criticism. Maybe harsh in tone, but it's no different than how someone like me acted when my Thunderbolt had it's constant issues when first released. It pisses you off, lol. Outspoken criticism is a good way to get things corrected and corrected sooner rather than later, hence my appreciation for the direct and blunt criticism coming from someone who felt the same way with my Android phone at first. Now most issues have been resolved.
    04-26-2012 08:01 PM
  17. eric12341's Avatar
    OMG this thread is a disaster! Never have I expected to find such an XDA quality thread here on WPCentral. Where are the mods? If I were a mod this thread would be closed and at least 4 bans would be handed out.
    04-26-2012 08:43 PM
  18. jfa1's Avatar
    Very possible. The mods here are less heavy handed than in ome of the forums where I have been a member. I am a moderator at a treo site still and mo0st of the traffic there is spam and about 4 or 5 of us who converse about stuff besides treos.
    04-26-2012 09:30 PM
  19. N8ter's Avatar
    As far as android versus iphone sales, I would like to see some statistics showing what percentage of android sales are from phones that cost $50 or less. Currently the only iphone in that price range is the 3GS on AT&T. I am of the opinion that low priced android phones are part of the reason for android having the market share it has. I am interested to see how android sales are affected when the next iphone is released. Verizon and AT&T should both have the iphone at free or near free, mid-range and top end prices.
    What is your definition of Mid-Range? There are Dual Core Android phones wiht qHD screens for near mid-range prices these days released a year ago that are more future proof than even the newest WP7 devices...

    Prices drop, and lot sof times consumers wait on purchases specifically to get them at a lower price. It just so happens that you get a much better value waiting on Android or iOS than you do waiting on WP7, because the hardware has consistently been 1-2 years behind the competition. Even Blackberry OS 7 phones launched with better hardware than WP7 devices back when both were put on the market. Yes, that all matters.

    Not sure why you'd care about how much people are paying for the devices. It's not like WP7 doesn't have cheap phones like the Focus Flash and Lumia 710... ...
    04-26-2012 10:16 PM
  20. jdd77's Avatar
    OMG this thread is a disaster! Never have I expected to find such an XDA quality thread here on WPCentral. Where are the mods? If I were a mod this thread would be closed and at least 4 bans would be handed out.
    why is it a disaster? there are good points being made from both sides.
    04-26-2012 11:46 PM
  21. 12Danny123's Avatar
    why do people buy a $100 android phone and then complain that it's slow?? derp derpp

    I have no issues whatsoever on my galaxy s2, and battery life is much better than my wp7 was... That's also considering it is ten times as powerful and I can do way more on it.

    These arguments always turn into a bunch of made up bs about android and a bunch of whiny fanboys being all jelly...

    U MAD??
    Y r u trolling about wp. There's perfectly nothin wrong with it I'm my opinion. There's no point of you bashing wp just becuase you don't like it. We like it u know. Trolls ....... Pathetic waste of time
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    04-27-2012 01:30 AM
  22. cckgz4's Avatar
    There are many threads which point out the fallacies of Windows Phone without presenting it as useless next to a feature phone. The problem is that the OP seems to believe that his specific needs for a smartphone are indicative of the mass market's needs, and that Windows Phone is inferior as a platform because it doesn't match up to his personal expectations of a smartphone (he expects functionality present in only one of the major platforms).

    Windows Phone isn't for everyone. I have helped many friends choose an Android device and in some cases, provide tech support when things go wrong. This is because I see the distinction between what I need in a phone and what others need. The OP does not see this, and hence this whole thread appears to be borderline trolling.
    Same here. Online and off, I have NO problem sitting and listening to someone explain to me what they need out of a phone, and then help them decide which OS would be better for them. Except for my family LOL cause my mom doesn't know what she wants
    04-27-2012 02:43 AM
  23. Forgewizard's Avatar
    Suggestion Box App can be used other than app - online. People can vote. In places like that and uservoice- the user can vote place upto 3 votes per suggestion.
    Understood already which is why I only note vote quantities for the suggestions and didn't attempt to extrapolate quantity of actual persons voting. Still, to use your extrapolation of over 14 thousand people - simply means that 14,000 people took the time to try and make their voice heard by a faceless, nameless corporate entity - that, as many have already accepted "rushed" a device to market If I was in marketing and saw that 14000 people who already OWNED our device were continuing to make suggestions daily - I'd say that there was definitely a good basis for implementing what the users wanted!

    You do understand that what so many of us are looking for are things that MS has already done for their devices and phones in the past, right? We aren't asking for holographic projection or 3D displays! Just simple user interfacing and true integration for an actual smartphone.

    Did you witness NoDo to Mango transition? Go to user voice and look at the tab that says "accepted" - those ideas were included between this transition. They are at least 88 of them!!
    Um, "witness"? No, but as soon as I got my Arrive I installed ZUNE and did the update to Mango. I purchased my Arrive after the Mango update had been issued. But I did visit User voice and review the updates that were implemented in 7.5 and frankly am a bit taken aback at how many simple feature phone functions people were asking for and MS decided to accept the suggestions that really should have been on the device from the get go. Maybe it is becoming acceptable practice by corporations to get a partly functioning device in their customer's hands (after digging deeply in to the customers pockets) then saying OOPs we forgot something - so we'll send out an update - or worse yet - you are simply holding the device wrong. But I'm a bit old school and expect that when I buy something costing several hundred dollars, that it should work as advertised NOW - not six months or a year from NOW.

    You DOWNLOADED an Excel file. That means you saved a copy on your Phone. Then you synced the file that means you UPLOADED A COPY to SkyDrive - This shows why you have 2 tiles.

    The tiles are merely a list of items you 'recently' opened. My suggestion would be OPEN a file in SkyDrive, edit it and just click SAVE. NOT SAVE AS. If you do SAVE AS, it will ask you to make a local copy or upload and this is where you think you are duplicating.
    No, this is not what works - this still creates two different files. the files are not SYNCING. They are merely uploading and downloading to the two different locations. Doesn't synchronize mean that if I change a file in one location that it updates the file in the other location when uploaded and/or downloaded?
    1) I created a simple test file in excel on the Arrive. named it, saved it to phone.
    2) made a simple change tapped save. It kept the file on the phone as expected with the simple change.
    3) Then I listed another change and tapped save as - this is when it offered a new file name with and added (1) and offered the option to save on the phone or on skydrive. I cancelled out - because I wanted neither, nor did I want a new file name.
    4) opened the file on the phone again, made another simple change then saved. File remained on phone and tile reflected the location as well as the original file name. Great!
    5) opened file back up on phone,made another small change, selected "SHARE" which offers my email options as well as skydrive. Selected skydrive and phone connected. Tile now shows same named file on one tile with location of skydrive, and another tile with same name location as phone.
    6) open the file from phone location displays file before the change #5 but open the file from skydrive it shows change #5.

    There is no synchronizing happening. Either the file is on skydrive, or its on the phone whether I access the file from skydrive or from the phone - once "shared" it should reflect the most current location as well as the most current information.

    The most recently tapped tile of either location moves to the top left of the grid - but that's no easy way to recall which file was last altered is it?

    The reason for emailing each file was to clear it off the phone so I wouldn't lose every file when I RESET office.

    The Skydrive app I had to manually update to v 2. ( no telling why automatic updates didn't work) Opened app, it connected via Wi-FI. Listed my files, folders,shows the number of files on the folder - nifty. I selected the test file, it opened in what breifly appeared as a browser window. I made a small change saved and went back to Office hub. THe skydrive tile shows the new change, but the phone tile with the same name STILL only shows the file from before change #5!

    So this tells me that skydrive ONLY syncs files with itself - which is NOT syncing so much as just saving to that location each time - right? A true sync would have just one file with the same info even if was now located on the phone or on skydrive!

    So again it shows the limitation that only IF the device is within cell or wifi range can you modify a file and keep it current via the skydrive app. Turn off wifi or get outside cell range and the app cannot even open the file.

    So go to office hub and you can open the file, edit, but when saving ( out of range or with wi-fi off) an error message returns stating cannot connect to server but changes have been temporarily saved to phone.Please try again later.

    Turn wifi back on and go to office hub tile with skydrive location, but it doesn't show most recent edit. Of course tile on phone location doesn't either - its still stuck in revisions prior to #5! GO to skydrive app and after it opens in browser window the newest edit shows on the app , and also in the office hub.

    So still there is no integration or syncing - simply storage and retrieval via skydrive.

    any other ideas?
    04-27-2012 03:32 AM
  24. AngryNil's Avatar
    No, this is not what works - this still creates two different files. the files are not SYNCING. They are merely uploading and downloading to the two different locations. Doesn't synchronize mean that if I change a file in one location that it updates the file in the other location when uploaded and/or downloaded?
    1. Created an Excel spreadsheet on computer
    2. Saved spreadsheet to SkyDrive folder
    3. Opened spreadsheet on phone through SkyDrive integration in Office hub
    4. Made change to spreadsheet on phone
    5. Clicked save and jumped back on the computer
    6. Opened spreadsheet from SkyDrive folder
    7. The change I made was staring me in the face


    I don't even know what to think anymore. Are you trolling? Do you actually own a Windows Phone?
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    04-27-2012 05:30 AM
  25. Forgewizard's Avatar
    1. Created an Excel spreadsheet on computer
    2. Saved spreadsheet to SkyDrive folder
    3. Opened spreadsheet on phone through SkyDrive integration in Office hub
    4. Made change to spreadsheet on phone
    5. Clicked save and jumped back on the computer
    6. Opened spreadsheet from SkyDrive folder
    7. The change I made was staring me in the face


    I don't even know what to think anymore. Are you trolling? Do you actually own a Windows Phone?
    If your reading comprehension was higher than 1 you'd recall that I do in fact have a windows phone and that it is an HTC Arrive. Trolling? Oh yeah right - I've got nothing better to do than to INVENT issues with a device I bought that YOU think is imaginary!

    You missed the entire point. You created a file on a pc and sent it directly to skydrive then opened it in skydrive then downloaded it to the phone. IF you'd read my post - I'd already recognized the device does that - it reads from skydrive and exchanges / stores and retrieves from skydrive just fine - as LONG as wifi and/or cell connections are available.

    Where the problem crops up is, as I've stated before - what happens if you create a file native to the phone sans any wireless connections and THEN expect it to interchange and update with skydrive!

    So go ahead try creating a file on your WP phone, saving to the phone, edit then share to skydrive. Edit the file on skydrive and then reopen that file from your device. You'll now see two files on the phone and they won't have the same info but they'll have the same name. Hello? do you see that this is NOT a sync? The files are NOT synchronized - they are now two different, but same named files. But both files look equally nice, sitting on a phone that is NOT integrating with itself using native MS office files nor with native MS Skydrive!

    Your response is typical: I don't have or cannot re-create the same problem on MY device, so YOU must NOT be having any problems with YOUR device and therefore YOU are a Troll! How dare you say anything negative against this beautiful device? Maybe in your world several hundred dollars is easy to come by and if the device you spent that money on doesn't perform as advertised - maybe in your world that's just okey dokey fine and dandy you can just whip out several hundred dollars more and get something different, but in MY world that is not the case! I don't have several hundred dollars at my disposal (care to chip in?) so I'm stuck with the WP7 until my contract is up. Maybe by then MS will have released an update again that addresses these issues. And I'll finally get what I paid for. Until then I'll have to muddle through with a less than stellar device as well as go BACK to using my Palm T3 and the Sanyo feature phone and just use the WP7 as a digital camera and digital rolodex - oh joy!

    You don't even likely use your phone as a business tool do you? To you its just a social connection and game player - right? it works fine for that, but its been touted as an integrated business tool also - or am I imagining THAT too?

    Participation on forums is what it is - a share point for people using similar things but with various experiences. I've discovered many things about my device from reading the forum and a WHOLE lot more about people's perceptions and the way they present themselves. Some people help, others pour salt in wounds and each have their own cheering sections!
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    04-27-2012 12:18 PM
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