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  1. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Not anymore. Ice Cream Sandwich allows you to disable and hide any system app, including bloatware. It's a core functionality built into the OS, and there's nothing the OEMs and carriers can do about it.
    Realllly.... That is awesome! I'm glad they finally did that. Long overdue!

    That definitely puts some more points in the Android column as far as I'm concerned.
    04-29-2012 09:35 AM
  2. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Those who think that Windows Phone or iPhone themes on their Android devices are as good as the real thing are oblivious to the strengths of both platforms and hence should be on Android anyway. The stock experience isn't fully emulated, let alone the third-party app ecosystem.

    Every time I hear about people totally re-skinning their phones, I wince. I don't see how people can see fragmenting the design languages present on their phones as a plus. You might have a launcher and a few apps that are Metro, but your search app isn't. How about weather, app store, browser, Facebook, Twitter, Office, Tumblr, Engadget, YouTube, Wikipedia, or RSS?

    The list goes on. Emulation / imitation is always a step behind the real thing. Ultimately, I think it's wise to stick with stock Holo. It looks pretty darn good, and the apps are going to be themed after it. I hope manufacturers will stop with the skins, because they introduce the same design fragmentation that user customizations do.

    I think people still bash Android's look because majority of devices out there are running Gingerbread (ugly already) with a manufacturer skin thrown on top (even worse). Also, ICS has a pretty bad home screen, but the rest of it is actually very good.
    The UI and the continuity between it and all the apps is probably the single thing that I like most about WP7 and what won me over.

    It's a difficult thing to quantify, but using WP7 just felt more natural and easy than any other smartphone I've used. Only the Palm phones (both the old Palm OS and WebOS) came close for me. The old Palm OS was dated, but it was very good at keeping it simple and essential rather than trying to do too many things at once.

    I always found moving from app to app in Android kind of jarring, because you have to adapt to a different UI, button and color scheme and behaviors for almost every app and a lot of the apps are just terrible. Note Everything is a good example. It works well, but the UI looks like crap and it doesn't act or look anything like any other app. Different fonts, different color scheme. It may be a small point for some, but it just drove me nuts.
    04-29-2012 09:41 AM
  3. cckgz4's Avatar
    The UI and the continuity between it and all the apps is probably the single thing that I like most about WP7 and what won me over.

    It's a difficult thing to quantify, but using WP7 just felt more natural and easy than any other smartphone I've used. Only the Palm phones (both the old Palm OS and WebOS) came close for me. The old Palm OS was dated, but it was very good at keeping it simple and essential rather than trying to do too many things at once.

    I always found moving from app to app in Android kind of jarring, because you have to adapt to a different UI, button and color scheme and behaviors for almost every app and a lot of the apps are just terrible. Note Everything is a good example. It works well, but the UI looks like crap and it doesn't act or look anything like any other app. Different fonts, different color scheme. It may be a small point for some, but it just drove me nuts.
    Yes I miss the old palm Os even though it was outdated
    04-30-2012 08:19 PM
  4. N8ter's Avatar
    WP7 social integration was copied from Android. Any TW or Sense Android has had this for like 1.5 years before WP7 was released. I didn't use it there, I don't use it here. Good apps are always superior.

    Live Tiles = Badges in 90% of cases, Widgets in the other 10%.

    WP7 still only has 1/3rd the Notification system of Android/iOS and even then it isn't really consistent even among stock apps (like no Toasts for eMails).

    Personally, I think most WP7 device owners are light smartphone users (actually it's pretty obvious at least on the various forums by observing what they tend to not care about in threads addressing the gaps in the platform). As a heavy user (or was, until the HD7 became my daily driver), it's a frustrating time-wasting platform to use and it requires way too many compromises. This is even in comparison to iOS, which shares many of the same limitations and is arguably more locked down than WP7.

    A lot of people are moving a lot of activities to their smart devices so they're going from being light users (who can get by with a feature phone, so WP7 is probably a good initial step for them) to heavy users who do a ton of tasks and communications (in different forms) on their devices. I think that's why Android has such a higher "first smartphone" adoption rate, and marketshare as a result.

    The only thing refreshing about WP7 is the way the UI is put together, at least at the beginning until you realize the Live Tiles offer basically nothing new that a Badge or Widget couldn't offer and you have to scroll twice as much in applications to digest the same information as on other platforms.

    Microsoft needs to do some real usability studies that involve more than them making assumptions or tracking the key presses and activities of fanbois who were ignorant enough to waste battery sending their information from the phone to their data centers (something I almost always turn off immediately when I get a new phone - irregardless of the platform).
    05-01-2012 07:47 AM
  5. jdd77's Avatar
    but how useless is a background when your live tiles take up all the space???

    this is why a background is USELESS for WP...
    and for your smart people out there thinking TRANSPARENT tiles would work.. well it wouldn't cause then you couldn't see your live tiles get updated properly and it would become a MESS.

    Click to view quoted image

    wallpaper is the blue , tiles the black... sorry im not a Painter artist.
    this is why I think there should be a third home screen. 1st being a wallpaper w/ dialer and contacts.. and the 2nd being the Metro ui as something you swipe to.
    05-01-2012 09:26 AM
  6. selfcreation's Avatar
    this is why I think there should be a third home screen. 1st being a wallpaper w/ dialer and contacts.. and the 2nd being the Metro ui as something you swipe to.
    then we gona get sued by Google for copying the multti screen thing. lol maybe not...

    honestly i dunno if id like 2-3 extra home screen... I dint really like it on Android.


    that's what i like about WP is the HUBS --> click on 1 live tiles and all you need on the subject is in there.

    People HUB: contacts , Facebook/twitter etc...
    Xbox HUB: games + marketplace+ friends+msg

    if anything id like to see MORE HUBs or CUSTOM HUBS witch would become your custom UI in a way. click on 1 tiles and all your stuff is there. ( you can add backgrounds to HUBS :) )

    compare to android and Ios where you have a separate APP or section for each of does functions. and Folders are or would in NO WAY be as cool and functional as a CUSTOM HUB could be.

    I hope we get custom HUBS considering W8 is all about hubs on a PC .. they better let us creat our own Custom HUB or as I like to call them advance folders lol
    05-01-2012 09:35 AM
  7. jdd77's Avatar
    After reading through this thread, I have a couple questions:

    1. Why would having limitless customization (in reference to android) turn someone into a rom-flashing, phone rooting, time waster... downloading everything they can just because its there? Maybe if your that kind of person..but I think its just the opposite. When I had an android phone, it took me ten minutes to set it up the way I liked, then I was done.

    2. How could theme colors be a minor issue? Its 100% of what you see when you use the phone, and its integrated throughout most of the functionality. I personaly think the color schemes are awlful and I waste more time trying to stick to a color that doesnt hurt my eyes or annoy the crap out of me, than I would if there was more customization to find something I like. But my 3 year old neice loves the colors and to touch the big squares to see what happens.. and I have to laugh because the colors really do make it look like a child's toy.
    05-01-2012 10:14 AM
  8. N8ter's Avatar
    BB10 looks FIERCE. Don't think it's release later this year will help Microsoft's efforts, especially since Nokia has been releasing a flurry of buggy WP7 devices and even their cameras have been worse than HTC or Samsung phones.
    05-01-2012 10:18 AM
  9. tekhna's Avatar
    WP7 social integration was copied from Android. Any TW or Sense Android has had this for like 1.5 years before WP7 was released. I didn't use it there, I don't use it here. Good apps are always superior.

    Live Tiles = Badges in 90% of cases, Widgets in the other 10%.

    WP7 still only has 1/3rd the Notification system of Android/iOS and even then it isn't really consistent even among stock apps (like no Toasts for eMails).

    Personally, I think most WP7 device owners are light smartphone users (actually it's pretty obvious at least on the various forums by observing what they tend to not care about in threads addressing the gaps in the platform). As a heavy user (or was, until the HD7 became my daily driver), it's a frustrating time-wasting platform to use and it requires way too many compromises. This is even in comparison to iOS, which shares many of the same limitations and is arguably more locked down than WP7.

    A lot of people are moving a lot of activities to their smart devices so they're going from being light users (who can get by with a feature phone, so WP7 is probably a good initial step for them) to heavy users who do a ton of tasks and communications (in different forms) on their devices. I think that's why Android has such a higher "first smartphone" adoption rate, and marketshare as a result.

    The only thing refreshing about WP7 is the way the UI is put together, at least at the beginning until you realize the Live Tiles offer basically nothing new that a Badge or Widget couldn't offer and you have to scroll twice as much in applications to digest the same information as on other platforms.

    Microsoft needs to do some real usability studies that involve more than them making assumptions or tracking the key presses and activities of fanbois who were ignorant enough to waste battery sending their information from the phone to their data centers (something I almost always turn off immediately when I get a new phone - irregardless of the platform).

    I agree with everything you're saying, but watch out, there's a pretty fierce cadre of loyalists here who think live tiles are the most innovative thing ever, and totally not a widget or a badge. Nevermind that's exactly what they are.
    05-01-2012 10:48 AM
  10. smapor's Avatar
    Android got its push because of 2 things.

    1. Apple basically said our way or no product

    2. No other viable phone OS at that time that was free.


    Hence why Verizon and AT&T wants a 3rd player.

    Android - right place, right time, free and had google brand name.

    I fully expect WP8 to make a huge dent into the market as a legit 3rd player. They may never be #1,but that doesn't mean its bad. It gives users more choice.

    Lastly whoever made that comment about light users for WP 7.5.......that is false.
    Last edited by smapor; 05-01-2012 at 11:52 AM.
    05-01-2012 11:46 AM
  11. smapor's Avatar
    WP7 social integration was copied from Android.
    Apparently the late Steve Job accused Google stealing/copying ideas from Apple, when Google had people on Apple's board of directors.
    05-01-2012 11:57 AM
  12. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    I would sell the ecosystem rather than the phone itself. So for example before somebody buys I phone I ask them what he/she uses on a daily basis
    - Do you have a MAC or a PC
    - Do you use Microsoft Office on a daily basis
    - Do you have an Xbox
    - Do you use Microsoft services such as Hotmail etc
    - Are you into social networking

    And best on the answers the end user provides me I come up with the best possible phone that will tie their entire technology experience together.
    Isn't this what MS has been trying to do anyways? Most of their ads involving WP tend to be more generic "It all starts with W7." Personally, I don't really know how effective selling an ecosystem to the average consumer is. Not to say it wouldn't be effective to everyone. Just most people I know have a hodgepodge of different devices. They might have a PS3, iPhone and a PC running Windows or whatever combinations of the three. I base my products on what I think gives me the best bang for my buck. And if there happens to be some measure of connectivity there, so be it. But I don't really want to base my phone purchase on whether or not I have an Xbox or use Hotmail.
    05-03-2012 08:30 AM
  13. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    but how useless is a background when your live tiles take up all the space???

    this is why a background is USELESS for WP...
    and for your smart people out there thinking TRANSPARENT tiles would work.. well it wouldn't cause then you couldn't see your live tiles get updated properly and it would become a MESS.

    Click to view quoted image

    wallpaper is the blue , tiles the black... sorry im not a Painter artist.
    I'm looking at my phone right now and there is bit more room to see a background image than your picture is indicating where a different theme wouldn't be totally useless. A background image (or even just a pattern theme) would be nice to change up even just for the app list screen. But your point is certainly well taken.

    And let me make it clear that for myself, WP having an option for some kind of image as the background or lack thereof is in no way a deal breaker. I don't necessarily need it. But would not be angry if the option were there
    05-03-2012 08:43 AM
  14. selfcreation's Avatar
    I'm looking at my phone right now and there is bit more room to see a background image than your picture is indicating where a different theme wouldn't be totally useless. A background image (or even just a pattern theme) would be nice to change up even just for the app list screen. But your point is certainly well taken.

    And let me make it clear that for myself, WP having an option for some kind of image as the background or lack thereof is in no way a deal breaker. I don't necessarily need it. But would not be angry if the option were there

    yeah a bit more room , but not much lol! I like the Idea of having THEMES that would be cool! it would make it that much more dinamic and interactive .
    05-03-2012 09:44 AM
  15. bear_lx's Avatar
    i cant believe this thread has gone this far....
    05-03-2012 10:02 AM
  16. wolf1891's Avatar
    i cant believe this thread has gone this far....
    i can.
    05-03-2012 06:50 PM
  17. cckgz4's Avatar
    WP7 social integration was copied from Android. Any TW or Sense Android has had this for like 1.5 years before WP7 was released. I didn't use it there, I don't use it here. Good apps are always superior.

    Live Tiles = Badges in 90% of cases, Widgets in the other 10%.

    WP7 still only has 1/3rd the Notification system of Android/iOS and even then it isn't really consistent even among stock apps (like no Toasts for eMails).

    Personally, I think most WP7 device owners are light smartphone users (actually it's pretty obvious at least on the various forums by observing what they tend to not care about in threads addressing the gaps in the platform). As a heavy user (or was, until the HD7 became my daily driver), it's a frustrating time-wasting platform to use and it requires way too many compromises. This is even in comparison to iOS, which shares many of the same limitations and is arguably more locked down than WP7.

    A lot of people are moving a lot of activities to their smart devices so they're going from being light users (who can get by with a feature phone, so WP7 is probably a good initial step for them) to heavy users who do a ton of tasks and communications (in different forms) on their devices. I think that's why Android has such a higher "first smartphone" adoption rate, and marketshare as a result.

    The only thing refreshing about WP7 is the way the UI is put together, at least at the beginning until you realize the Live Tiles offer basically nothing new that a Badge or Widget couldn't offer and you have to scroll twice as much in applications to digest the same information as on other platforms.

    Microsoft needs to do some real usability studies that involve more than them making assumptions or tracking the key presses and activities of fanbois who were ignorant enough to waste battery sending their information from the phone to their data centers (something I almost always turn off immediately when I get a new phone - irregardless of the platform).
    I agree to an extent with the bold. I think there are different "heavy smartphone users" out there. There communication users, media users, tinkerers, and those that employ all of the above. I think for the communication base and even media (to an extent and that's due to lack of apps), it's more than satisfiable. You have skype, netflix, Twitter and Facebook (and messenger) integrated into the phone, Kindle for ereading, Youtube apps, a decent browser, quick camera to photo sharing transitions, and quick glance notifications. Yes there's room for more to cover the general basis but I don't think it's just "light users" that can fully enjoy WP
    05-04-2012 12:45 AM
  18. evangelistalinda's Avatar


    One of the original launch partners of Microsofts Windows Phone operating system is calling a quits. LG said during its earnings call last week that the company has no plans to introduce any new Windows Phones and instead will focus its efforts
    05-04-2012 05:48 AM
  19. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
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    One of the original launch partners of Microsofts Windows Phone operating system is calling a quits. LG said during its earnings call last week that the company has no plans to introduce any new Windows Phones and instead will focus its efforts
    Um, this has been discussed. They had a follow statement to this. Read the second paragraph: LG: No plans for new Windows Phone products - Neowin

    Plus LG isn't that big of a loss. Their hardware isn't the greatest IMO.
    05-04-2012 06:26 PM
  20. socialcarpet's Avatar
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    One of the original launch partners of Microsoft’s Windows Phone operating system is calling a quits. LG said during its earnings call last week that the company has no plans to introduce any new Windows Phones and instead will focus its efforts
    LG doesn't make good phones period, so them walking away is a win-win as far as I'm concerned. I had an LG Revolution and it was the biggest piece of crap I've ever owned. Will never buy another LG product after that experience.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    05-05-2012 01:16 PM
  21. N8ter's Avatar
    Unfortunately, LG is a good strategic partner for the low end market. They also make some of the best screens in the business. Their new Android phone coming out is a beast, too. They could never push the envelop like that on WP7.

    Smaller players like LG are beneficial for any ecosystem because they act as disrupters and even though their products may not be first rate, they do innovate and push the competitors to up their game.

    WP7 is missing a lot of that, and OEMs like LG simply don't see as much value in WP7 as opposed to Android because it doesn't sale well and Microsoft has shackled them.
    05-05-2012 03:23 PM
  22. iAdrian23's Avatar
    Even if most of you disagree with what I'm going to say IT IS TRUE and you know it.

    The biggest dissapointment in WP7 is the lack of app support. Let's take for example my school. 1/10 have an iphone and 3/10 an Android. Whenever a new cool app such as Temple Run arrives on the AppStore, everyone will beg for someone's iPhone so they can play. It's pretty easy to find that WP doesn't have all hotest new apps and so the ones that might consider buying one are confused. Let's not forget not all phones are cheap. So for a $300 they'd better get an iPod where they can play all **** all day all night...

    They just don't care. :@
    05-09-2012 11:16 AM
  23. cckgz4's Avatar
    Thank god for Nokia. Just read the article on the homepage. While some are complaining, it's coming to the market eventually so don't fret. Nokia is opening a lot of doors and gaining interest and that's only a good thing for the Os.
    05-09-2012 01:19 PM
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