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  1. btbam91's Avatar
    High Res PLEASE!!!!!
    04-27-2012 03:57 PM
  2. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Now regarding multi-core processors, that's a bit more if a gray area where marketing hype is outpacing practical use. Multi core processors only make a noticeable difference in performance when you are using a multitasking OS designed to take advantage if them AND while you're doing something that leverages that advantage, and/or when running an app written to use multiple cores. Most DESKTOP computer apps aren't even designed to do that yet. Photoshop, video editing software, things like that benefit dramatically from being optimized for multicore processors. High end games do too. The truth is most things you do with a phone won't perform amazingly better with 2 or more cores. Background processes wil run faster and smoother if the OS is optimized for sure though. Better games will be possible. Video editing and very processor intensive stuff like that will be noticeably faster. But for most things, ita going to be a very small difference, certainly not in proportion with the hype. I guarantee you quad core Androids are still going to stumble and lag over Google's sloppy coding.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    04-27-2012 04:01 PM
  3. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Also, performance and more cores or resolution does necessarily equal a corresponding decrease in battery life. Samsungs new 4 core Exynos chip actually uses 20% less energy than the 2 core chip it supersedes. As chips get smaller and smaller nm they will gain processing power while simultaneously using less power.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    04-27-2012 04:06 PM
  4. Big Bang Radar's Avatar
    There isn't. Its mainly to make the fandroids to STFU after roughly 2 years of whining about single core processors & HD displays. Windows 95 needed 8MB to run. Win 7 needs a gig of RAM. Do we take real advantage of that? No. The same arguement stands there too.
    04-27-2012 06:01 PM
  5. canesfan625's Avatar
    I beg to differ on the resolution...see iPad or iPhone to see the retina difference.
    I beg to differ to beg to differ the beg to differ.

    Most people cant tell the difference between the ipad 2 and 3
    04-27-2012 06:18 PM
  6. tekhna's Avatar
    There isn't. Its mainly to make the fandroids to STFU after roughly 2 years of whining about single core processors & HD displays. Windows 95 needed 8MB to run. Win 7 needs a gig of RAM. Do we take real advantage of that? No. The same arguement stands there too.
    I'll trade you my Gateway (upgraded to Windows 95! 14.4kb modem--I paid extra for that puppy) for your Win7 comp w/1gb of RAM. If you don't see any advantage to your Win7 comp, that is.

    You and Bill Gates should start a "No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer" club!
    Last edited by tekhna; 04-27-2012 at 06:40 PM.
    04-27-2012 06:30 PM
  7. Big Bang Radar's Avatar
    I'll trade you my Gateway (upgraded to Windows 95! 14.4kb modem--I paid extra for that puppy) for your Win7 comp w/1gb of RAM. If you don't see any advantage to your Win7 comp, that is.

    You and Bill Gates should start a "No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer" club!
    Ugh. That's not how I meant it.

    Like this:

    Word in Windows 95 is practically the same task as it is in Windows 7, but with a freshened up Aero interface and Ribbon. The differece is is that the Office at the time was more advanced (In the interface) and there was a grey bar rather than a thicker...Clear bar? And, BTW, I have 4gb RAM :P

    I'm just saying, Windows is actually quite resource hungry for an OS with many of the same features that were in 95, Its like I insulted you or something.
    04-27-2012 07:27 PM
  8. Silverdogz's Avatar
    I understand hi-res screens. But a quad core come on. I have a dual core in my DESKTOP. When phone CPUs surpass a standard desktop's CPU. Then it's not a phone just a minicomputer.

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    Last edited by Silverdogz; 04-29-2012 at 10:02 AM.
    04-27-2012 07:40 PM
  9. cckgz4's Avatar
    Actually - that's not true - it has to do with viewing distance and whether you can see the pixels from the average viewing distance. With your computer screen you are normally 24-36 inches away so the individual pixels are not visible. With your phone very often you are only 12 inches away and on larger screen sizes (4.3" or larger) it does make a difference having a higher res display (tell me the Titan/Titan II doesn't have some pixelation). Anyone who says the iPhones retina display isn't amazingly crisp is lying to themselves (330 pixels per inch does make a difference). And next time you're in an ATT store take a look at the new HTC One X (4.7" Super LCD II display). Tell me you wouldn't like to see WP7 on hardware like that and you're not only lying to me, you're lying to yourself.
    Right........which reinforces my statement: We all would like to have these things, but it's not necessary. And if you need me to flat out say that I would like that on a WP device, then yes I would like to see that on a Nokia device (specifically lol), but I don't need it.
    04-28-2012 01:32 AM
  10. cckgz4's Avatar
    Need quadcore and high resolution to work smoothy? No

    Need quadcore and high resolution to sell your product? Yes

    It is now becoming a spec war, doesnt matter if you need it, you have to have the biggest and fastest specs in all the land to compete.
    Yes it has now become a **** measuring contest amongst phones, especially in Android alone. OEM's are fighting and burning through specs......for what? There isn't a logic behind it. Yes the tech fanatics will eat up a bigger and better piece of phone, but the general public that are the biggest buyers? No. So in three years, what will phones be doing then?
    04-28-2012 01:37 AM
  11. cckgz4's Avatar
    Yep. And people here seem to want to ignore that, or call people sheep. Which is fine. But it's not selling phones. Fact is, even the iPhone has to play the specs war/game now.

    As for screen resolution, give me a break. Go use a high-res phone screen and then try to go back to low-res screen. They look awful once you see how much better high-quality, high-res screens are. And here, specs actually make sense. More pixels=need for more processing power.

    As I've said before, it's just rank apologism to suggest that WP7 couldn't benefit from better specs.
    Who, in this topic, has called someone a sheep or a follower? You and a few others carry this big chip on your shoulder to each topic like this board has done something to you and your experience.

    And I have gone from using a great screen resolution to something lower. It doesn't bother me. Everyone else that loves it, then that's great. I am glad it completes their experience, but don't say people are fooling themselves because they can live without it. It's possible

    Right, because this forum hasn't stated several times that they'd like to see better resolution in the screens way before you even became a member of this forum. We've made thousands of wishlists of things we'd like to see, so yes we can admit to what things would be better to enhance Windows Phone. I, cckgz4, still think that people who thinks it's a need for these higher specs do not know that it's a preference.
    04-28-2012 01:44 AM
  12. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Oh no I can see pixels on my phone how can I function!
    04-28-2012 02:06 AM
  13. GMJeff's Avatar
    Ugh. That's not how I meant it.

    Like this:

    Word in Windows 95 is practically the same task as it is in Windows 7, but with a freshened up Aero interface and Ribbon. The differece is is that the Office at the time was more advanced (In the interface) and there was a grey bar rather than a thicker...Clear bar? And, BTW, I have 4gb RAM :P

    I'm just saying, Windows is actually quite resource hungry for an OS with many of the same features that were in 95, Its like I insulted you or something.
    Unfortunately, that argument holds no merit. Windows 95, was a 16 bit OS with a new fancy overlay (think visual DOSshell). It did not have the memory overhead like Windows 7 does.

    Windows 7 comes in two flavors, 32bit and 64bit, both using code that is double or even quadruple the size to accomplish the same task. That is why the need for dual and quad core chips, more efficient processing.

    The ability to process multiple threads at one time is to save resources, or rather to free them up faster, so the next task can be started. Also, as rumor has it, Windows Phone was supposed to be able to run on dual core processors when it was launched. They opted to get it out the door on inexpensive hardware to keep prices down.

    Your argument about Word in Windows 95 is also skewed, as Word and Office at that time were probably 16bit apps as well, whereas Office 2012 is coded in 32 or 64 bit, making them use more processor time/threads as well as memory.

    Also, as the screen resolution wars heat up, Windows phone will have to increase resolution, even if only to 720p, to be able to increase device sizes, and to make Windows Phone scalable to tablets if needed.

    I have 4 Windows Phones (Focus, Surround, Focus S and Lumia 900) and they all have the same screen resolutions. I also have a Galaxy Note that i am typing this on. If the Note had a 800x480 resolution on it's 5.3" screen, i never would have bought it. Why? Well, because the S Pen it comes with would be totally unusable. The higher resolution helps with the accuracy of the stylus. Tapping is not the issue, but rather the handwriting input.

    This would be where the higher resolutions would come into play, for 7" and 10" tablets. Sure battery life would suffer, but that is why they put larger/denser batteries in the devices. My Note can get close to a whole day with moderate use, at higher resolution, LTE radio and dual core processor.

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    04-28-2012 02:38 AM
  14. cgk's Avatar
    People who are talking a strict 'but what's the practical benefit' stance are missing the point, people don't buy their phones based on what they will actually do, they buy them based on what they *think* they will do - which is why wow-ware such as quad-core processors help at the point of sale even if they make no difference to the actual user experience.
    04-28-2012 04:49 AM
  15. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Those people are missing the best platform out there then for a stupid reason.
    04-28-2012 05:52 AM
  16. welsbloke's Avatar
    I beg to differ to beg to differ the beg to differ.

    Most people cant tell the difference between the ipad 2 and 3
    From my limited experience of the iPad I would say that was not true, you notice it when you open an app and the icons are iddy widdy things when before they were just right. Then you notice it but your point is taken in the manor it was meant.
    04-28-2012 07:53 AM
  17. cgk's Avatar
    Those people are missing the best platform out there then for a stupid reason.
    All the carriers and OEMs care is that someone buys the units, if it's actually the best platform is irrelevant in that context.
    04-28-2012 08:33 AM
  18. ramrac's Avatar
    I see a need for both, and am looking forward to the WP8 devices.

    For the processors, a dual-core Snapdragon S4 with a better graphics processor would be highly appreciated for the performance of JavaScript intensive websites (like the Facebook Desktop site and others where loading of overlays and other JS elements takes seconds on my 1st gen device) and Apps. Also, Apps will probably start faster, and waiting 2 seconds instead of 7 seconds makes a difference.

    Higher resolution screens to maintain a >~250ppi density on screens above 3.7", so that a 4" or 4.3" screen still has a high pixel density.
    04-28-2012 10:49 AM
  19. emirozmen's Avatar
    Just waste of battery life.
    04-28-2012 03:30 PM
  20. canesfan625's Avatar
    From my limited experience of the iPad I would say that was not true, you notice it when you open an app and the icons are iddy widdy things when before they were just right. Then you notice it but your point is taken in the manor it was meant.
    Watch as Apple customers try to tell the difference between the new iPad & iPad 2 - The Next Web
    04-28-2012 04:09 PM
  21. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Ahahaha exactly. I mean it's common sense but it's nice to see proof.
    04-28-2012 05:25 PM
  22. trivor's Avatar
    Those people are missing the best platform out there then for a stupid reason.
    Let's ignore all the specs except one (although I still believe the storage argument is important for a lot of people - Why, if flash memory for consumer's is so cheap - 32 GB Class 10 micro SD card for about $30-40 is it so hard to put more than 32 GB in a WP7 phone - at least give the option especially with Data caps) - Look at the HTC One X and tell me you wouldn't love to see WP7 on that hardware - especially the screen!!!!! Right now, you'll have one resolution and like it (until at least WP8 within the next 12 months).
    04-28-2012 05:30 PM
  23. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Does more flash require more battery life to maintain? I've often wondered this. And I can honestly tell you I don't care at all about the HTC One's hardware. I'm sure it's nice, that's just not as important to me as the software.
    04-28-2012 07:04 PM
  24. freestaterocker's Avatar
    "Now, Im a huge fan of Apple and its design-minded products, but the reality is, this screen isnt going to send you into an orgasmic rush."

    This. Exactly. I bought my wife one for our anniversary and was less than blown away. The screen is sharp, don't get me wrong, but based on the advertising I was fully expecting to bust a nut in my pants when I saw it.

    Also, it felt sluggish and boring next to my HD7.
    Last edited by freestaterocker; 04-28-2012 at 08:22 PM.
    04-28-2012 08:01 PM
  25. Quantify's Avatar
    I own a galaxy nexus and an iPhone 4. I use both regularly for work (app development). For actual day to day usage...it's the lumia. The screen contrast, legibility outside, and bright colors make it more usable than my two HD screens.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    04-28-2012 08:15 PM
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