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  1. Forgewizard's Avatar
    I just hope they don't price themselves out of the users hands. Tablet prices are coming down. Win8 is a revolutionary venture for MS, but on a platform that's already been bested by the competition.

    I too am holding out to see what they are bringing to the table. AM still on WinXP with both the laptop (convertible Tablet PC) and the netbook and the desktop, all are still functional, but not as portable as I'd like and are beginning to act their age.

    But using WP7 looks like a good step towards learning win8 and I am really praying for device compatibility!

    Have already discovered a business program I can utilize that is designed for use on the upcoming tablet so am stoked that I may be getting in on the ground floor this time! But if they price it out of reach - well, maybe we won't think about that just yet.
    04-30-2012 08:48 AM
  2. ejb222's Avatar
    I agree Win8 tablets will be the game changers. I use the Win8 Cusumer Preview at home. I can see where this will take off in business and consumers. Just some good marketing and exposure. I hope we can Nokia Transit on the Nokia tablets. Or a 7-10inch x86 tablet/phone with built in bluetooth headset and pureview camera! No more phone...no more laptop! Woot!
    04-30-2012 12:59 PM
  3. tk-093's Avatar
    I could care less what the general public wants.. I just care about work and we're already seeing intereset in the iPad start to fall. At least in our business (financial services) you have to spend to much money to secure these things enough to meet all the government laws. And once you've spent all that money.. you have something that costs the same as a laptop with have the functionality.

    Business folks like the iPad because they can turn the thing on right away and the battery lasts forever and it's so light compared to their slow clunky XP laptops (which we and a crap ton of other companies are still using.) An iPad blows XP away...

    However, throw them a W7 (and soon a W8) ultrabook at them and they can't wait to get their hands on one. It makes the iPad look like the toy that it is.
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    04-30-2012 02:06 PM
  4. tk-093's Avatar
    Here is my dream, and stay with me, because this post might be a little long but I think it's a good dream. :)

    Because we are a financial services company, we have a lot of regulations around encryption and Data Loss Prevention. Because of the nature of our business, we over dozens of products and we have hundreds of appliations that we use.

    The iPad, as it sits by itself, is not an option, though that doesn't stop execs from trying. The only way we can make it work (and I'm sure we are no the only company in this position) is to use VM View to connect to an actual virtual Windows 7 machine which holds all of their apps.

    That works pretty well, but it requires you being connected at all times to access your apps. Without a connection you pretty much have a toy..

    Now with a potential W8 ARM tablet I could have my email on via activesync (just like I would with my iPad) but the added bonus is that I have MS Office on there that can be connected to my corporate sharepoint so I can still get 100% access to all my documents and not have to worry about some lame 3rd party office app messing with them. Also throw in a keyboard just like the ASUS Transformer... perfect.

    Then as an added bonus I just pop that thing in a dockingstation at work and it connects to my large monitors and connects to my virtual workstation if I need to do some "heavy lifting" like Visio or some Visual Studio.

    Now my "dream" is to put that all in a little 4+" phone and that's all I would ever need. :)
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    04-30-2012 02:30 PM
  5. socialcarpet's Avatar
    I think Win RT tablets will be necessary to compete with the iPad and other tablets.

    x86 based Windows 8 tablets are going to be $900-$1200+++ and have capabilities that go way beyond an iPad or Android tablet, basically putting them in a price range and class that most people don't need.

    Win RT tablets on the other hand would be much more price competitive. But of course they'll be useless without a good ecosystem and all the attendant apps that people will want.

    Personally I don't find tablets all that useful. I have a Macbook Air with a core i7 and 256 GB SSD that boots in about 8 seconds so I'm all set.

    If someone makes a nice Win RT tablet for $3-350 at some point and there's a good selection of apps there, I'd take a look at it. Especially if it has a bit more multitasking capability and isn't quite as Romper Room as the iPad.

    I don't need full on Windows 8 and an x86 though. I'd be just fine with Metro only. I never liked the Windows desktop with the Start menu etc. anyway.
    04-30-2012 04:42 PM
  6. GreenScrew's Avatar
    x86 based Windows 8 tablets are going to be $900-$1200+++ and have capabilities that go way beyond an iPad or Android tablet, basically putting them in a price range and class that most people don't need.
    Consider this:
    About 350 million PCs sold in 2011. 40 million "companion" iPads sold in 2011.

    The point is, despite huge iPad sales, PC sales continue to far exceed. I expect your estimated price to be on the high end of what an enterprise class Windows 8 slate will run. Consumer models will be lower.

    Most people don't "need" a tablet. But as we see, people still buy them. Many need a PC to work (create content) efficiently. Now, when you can buy a single device rather than needing two, one device that can provide dual functionality, the cost dynamic shifts and its actually a very appealing price point.

    I use an iPad every day. Read the paper in the morning and casual browsing in the evening. I need a full PC to work during the day. I often fire up a personal home PC if I need to do any significant research or online purchasing of any major items. Even email, if its more than a very short reply, its just easier to use a keyboard. Voice to text could change things dramatically here, but for now... I can't wait to shell out for a single device that can do everything I need so my iPad doesn't leave me wanting my PC, and visa-versa.

    I've also re-purposed an old desktop computer with a touchscreen display that is running Windows 8 consumer preview as a media center for my basement bar/gameroom. Being able to access network resources effectively, and having the touch interface... its going to be a HUGE hit once media apps (think Netflix, Youtube, Pandora, etc) start showing up. It will make a great addition to the bar for playing games as well. The addition of touch is huge for this application, and others to come. Easy and cheap to instantly have a fantastic media center with a fabulous UI. The possibilities are endless....
    04-30-2012 06:46 PM
  7. willied's Avatar
    Why can't they just run Atom processors in them so they keep their ability to run programs designed for the x86 architecture?
    04-30-2012 07:22 PM
  8. tekhna's Avatar
    Slow Windows 8 downloads indicate low interest - SlashGear

    It actually appears nobody gives a crap about Windows 8 in general.. which is unfortunate, it's fun.

    According to the analytics firm Net Applications, just about .11% of Internet users connected from a Windows 8 device last week, showing flat growth numbers from March. When compared with the same numbers during Windows 7′s Beta period in 2009, they’re at about the 40% mark.
    04-30-2012 07:40 PM
  9. Forgewizard's Avatar
    Slow Windows 8 downloads indicate low interest - SlashGear

    It actually appears nobody gives a crap about Windows 8 in general.. which is unfortunate, it's fun.

    According to the analytics firm Net Applications, just about .11% of Internet users connected from a Windows 8 device last week, showing flat growth numbers from March. When compared with the same numbers during Windows 7′s Beta period in 2009, theyre at about the 40% mark.
    I don't think that's a fair assessment of the actual interest in the new platform. For myself, although I'm fairly capable around a PC, I don't feel comfortable testing the Win8 preview on machines I know already work fine. I'm content to wait until a device built specifically to run the platform is offered. I don't want to lose the programs and files I use NOW just to see what Win 8 will be in the future. Just because I haven't downloaded the preview doesn't mean I'm not interested. I didn't download the Vista forerunners either. And haven't bothered with Windows 7 knowing that Win8 has been on the horizon for some time. As a Windows Phone user, Win 8 looks like my ideal program and a tablet is just what I need!
    05-01-2012 12:26 AM
  10. tekhna's Avatar
    I don't think that's a fair assessment of the actual interest in the new platform. For myself, although I'm fairly capable around a PC, I don't feel comfortable testing the Win8 preview on machines I know already work fine. I'm content to wait until a device built specifically to run the platform is offered. I don't want to lose the programs and files I use NOW just to see what Win 8 will be in the future. Just because I haven't downloaded the preview doesn't mean I'm not interested. I didn't download the Vista forerunners either. And haven't bothered with Windows 7 knowing that Win8 has been on the horizon for some time. As a Windows Phone user, Win 8 looks like my ideal program and a tablet is just what I need!
    Yeah, you missed the point of the article. The point is that, relative to Windows 7, very little interest in W8 is being evinced. Nowhere is it claimed that you aren't interested, but that the population of people, for whom things like this are interesting, are not showing interest relative to their interest in previous iterations of Microsoft software.

    As for actual interest, I'd bet the "no one gives a crap, which is unfortunate" line still stands. People cared about W7 because Vista had a bad rap, deserved or not. And as an OS X user, I'd say W7 is pretty darn good, which makes W8 seem.. well, I'm not sure actually why anyone on a PC needs W8. Tablet, sure. PC? Not so much.
    Microsoft is making the right moves (the Nook buy could be genius) but they may be a victim of their own success here with W7. Like XP, people may not see much of a need to upgrade.
    05-01-2012 12:49 AM
  11. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Slow Windows 8 downloads indicate low interest - SlashGear

    It actually appears nobody gives a crap about Windows 8 in general.. which is unfortunate, it's fun.

    According to the analytics firm Net Applications, just about .11% of Internet users connected from a Windows 8 device last week, showing flat growth numbers from March. When compared with the same numbers during Windows 7′s Beta period in 2009, theyre at about the 40% mark.
    There's another preview due in two months, many are waiting for that one since they know it's coming. Why reinstall again so quick?
    05-01-2012 02:02 AM
  12. welsbloke's Avatar
    I don't think so. People increasingly want an iPad and nothing else.
    That is true of todays market but it is fair to say that the iPad has not been realistically challenged. The Windows 8 Tablet in both its forms has the potential to really eat into this market.

    Being first is important and I would imagine Apple will benefit from this early market dominance and getting the form correct first but people are fickle.

    If Windows 8 can provide a true all round performance without compromise then I can see it do well and certainly overtake the Apple Tablets in the future.

    Actually Windows 8 has the potential to be a turning point for both Apple and Microsoft. The market should want Microsoft to succeed if only because it spreads its money around better so more market segments benefit. Apple may have to decide that it needs to change its model. This is only to be expected, after all Microsoft have upset the Apple cart already with what was perceived to be a unasailable target in the form of the Playstation brand. Go and look back at the predictions for the 360 and the PS3 andyou will find nobody gave the 360 much hope let alone to be increasing sales in the early years even with an overpriced PS3.
    05-01-2012 07:19 AM
  13. c8m6p's Avatar
    Yeah, you missed the point of the article. The point is that, relative to Windows 7, very little interest in W8 is being evinced. Nowhere is it claimed that you aren't interested, but that the population of people, for whom things like this are interesting, are not showing interest relative to their interest in previous iterations of Microsoft software.

    As for actual interest, I'd bet the "no one gives a crap, which is unfortunate" line still stands. People cared about W7 because Vista had a bad rap, deserved or not. And as an OS X user, I'd say W7 is pretty darn good, which makes W8 seem.. well, I'm not sure actually why anyone on a PC needs W8. Tablet, sure. PC? Not so much.
    Microsoft is making the right moves (the Nook buy could be genius) but they may be a victim of their own success here with W7. Like XP, people may not see much of a need to upgrade.
    I think the Windows 7 interest was so high, because it was generally known to be good enough to be the first OS to replace Windows XP in however many (10?) years. After the Vista fiasco people were eager to upgrade.

    Windows 7 is still pretty new, and people are still upgrading to 7 from XP. Microsoft doesn't need Win8 to sell in the bulk numbers that 7 does.

    What people know about Windows 8 is that it works really well with a touch screen. Not so much with just a keyboard and mouse. Going forward, I think we'll be seeing more manufacturers put touch screens on more of their laptops, and make more interesting designs (like the Lenovo Yoga thing) that take advantage of touchscreen technology.

    I haven't installed Win8 on any of my machines. I don't have a touchscreen laptop or monitor. If I did, there's no question I would have Win8. But I don't. So I'm sticking with 7 until some excellent Win8 devices come out in a year or so.

    Win8 will not have the immediate mass appeal that Win7 did. However, when people go to upgrade their laptop next time, they will consider a touch screen Win8 laptop, or tablet on intel architecture. Right now, the manufacturers are developing these products, they're not even available yet.

    Microsoft is making a clear statement that touch screen is the future. But they're not stupid enough to realize that a keyboard and mouse is always necessary in some cases. So they combined the best of both worlds with Win8 instead. A great touch screen interface, and a stable, rock solid OS with Windows 7 built in, that functions traditionally with a keyboard and mouse.

    The actual hardware is not fully here yet, but when manufacturers start getting caught up, I think we'll see a more true indication of how this will impact the market and affect iPad sales.

    It's definetely a risk, but it is innovation, which to me, is better than just re-inventing Windows 7 again.
    05-01-2012 08:43 AM
  14. ejb222's Avatar
    Actually W8 works well with keyboard and mouse too...it's just different than the historical experience. I would say that W8 for desktops and laptops will grow after the tablets take off. I think people will like the universal experience. I have W8 set up as dual boot on my PC. But I do use W7 mostly, but that's just because I have most of the programs through W7. When W8 is officially released I will definitely upgrade my W7 on my PC. Why not? it does everything W7 does and more...plus faster, leaner, more secure. Seems like a no brainer :D
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    05-01-2012 09:48 AM
  15. badMojo69's Avatar
    For now its called an ultra book or MacBook air.

    Trying to merge a tablet and desktop in one unit has all kinds of fail written on it.
    It will be too heavy for a tablet, have poor performance for a desktop, or crappy battery life.
    Oh and let's not talk about price.

    Having said that apple is the only company that can do it, because they own both the hardware and software.

    Just because you can do a thing does not mean you should do it.
    05-01-2012 01:13 PM
  16. Big Bang Radar's Avatar
    For now its called an ultra book or MacBook air.

    Trying to merge a tablet and desktop in one unit has all kinds of fail written on it.
    It will be too heavy for a tablet, have poor performance for a desktop, or crappy battery life.
    Oh and let's not talk about price.

    Having said that apple is the only company that can do it, because they own both the hardware and software.

    Just because you can do a thing does not mean you should do it.
    This. Only x86 will run well. A mobile phone system doesnt work with a mouse, and (Excluding x86) it can't run x86 programs etc. It should not have 'Windows' as the name, because it ISNT WINDOWS. Its an oversized phone OS designed for tabs, and not DTops which is the core money-maker.
    05-01-2012 01:51 PM
  17. ejb222's Avatar
    For now its called an ultra book or MacBook air.

    Trying to merge a tablet and desktop in one unit has all kinds of fail written on it.
    It will be too heavy for a tablet, have poor performance for a desktop, or crappy battery life.
    Oh and let's not talk about price.

    Having said that apple is the only company that can do it, because they own both the hardware and software.

    Just because you can do a thing does not mean you should do it.
    Really? I suppose people thought the smae thing when it came to aviation or automobiles. If we can do it...lets give it a shot and see if the technology can keep up. If it fails...oh well. If it works and improves...we've gained much. Why kill the idea prematurely because of a loack of vision?
    05-01-2012 02:26 PM
  18. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Why can't they just run Atom processors in them so they keep their ability to run programs designed for the x86 architecture?
    They can and will make some Atom based tablets.

    But Atom still can't compete with ARM for battery life and the manufacturing for Atom processors is still a generation behind mobile in terms of process. The Atom (Medfield) chip in development will be 32nm while mobile chips will be at 22nm. Smaller process means more transistors on the same die and that can be leveraged for either more performance or more energy efficiency or a compromise between the two.

    The Medfield chip will probably outperform most ARM chips in raw processing power, but the ARM chips have been under development for embedded/mobile applications for a lot longer, so they have been optimized for that, for example they have a lot of dedicated hardware codecs for different media and other functions that Atom doesn't have and which levels out the performance difference, or gives them an edge. i.e. A good ARM chip may be able to stream video, or maybe run Java applications equally or faster than the Atom while using less energy.

    ARM also has the advantage of being a RISC architecture vs. CISC for x86 and it's the architecture used by the iPad and all Android tablets now, so there is much more development on ARM as far as solutions in tablets and the biggest player in tablets, Apple, is heavily invested in it.

    Intel is working very hard on x86 for mobile now though and some people think they will eventually catch up to and surpass ARM in tablets and even smartphones. Time will tell, but I think it will take Intel at least 2 years to even make a dent there and the companies making ARM processors aren't going to sit still the whole time.
    05-01-2012 02:29 PM
  19. c8m6p's Avatar
    For now its called an ultra book or MacBook air.

    Trying to merge a tablet and desktop in one unit has all kinds of fail written on it.
    It will be too heavy for a tablet, have poor performance for a desktop, or crappy battery life.
    Oh and let's not talk about price.

    Having said that apple is the only company that can do it, because they own both the hardware and software.

    Just because you can do a thing does not mean you should do it.
    Right.... does the Macbook air have a touch screen? What does the Macbook air have anything to do with this discussion? It's a small laptop running OSX.

    And yeah, a portable tablet that can be taken around anywhere, easier than a laptop, dock and instantly turn into a full Windows 7 machine is a terrible idea. Why would anyone ever want such a piece of technology

    There's a reason Windows machines own a good 92% of the desktop/laptop marketshare, and it's because Apple's can't do squat besides run their pretty little apps and stupid gimmicks like photobooth.

    A windows 8 tablet is both a toy and a tool you can do real, limitless work on, given the hardware advances that will come eventually. An apple ipad, macbook, or whatever other product they have is nothing more than a toy (a very expensive one) unless you're in certain niche industries, like music and art.

    Oh wait, music and art? Can you run photoshop on an iPad? No. Can you run Ableton live on an iPad? No. Can you run anything of substance on an iPad? Not unless you mod it out.

    A Windows 8 tablet on intel architecture will be more useful than a full fledged iMac, let alone an iPad. El-oh-el. Most people would be willing to sacrifice a little battery life for that priveldge, I believe.

    I've been seeing a lot of my friend's Mac's with Windows 7 on them recently. Wonder why that is.
    05-01-2012 03:24 PM
  20. welsbloke's Avatar
    Having said that apple is the only company that can do it, because they own both the hardware and software
    You might have bought into the hype a bit to much. I think you will find the hardware manufacturers will be able to work with Windows on this little project. What will be the test is whether folks buy into the idea, I was going to say need it but that never stopped people wanting the iPad.

    We will have Intel and ARM chips in addition to an array of manufacturers. This should pave the way for cheap powerful designs in all form factors. The Ultra market is producing some very nice models at the moment and they will look even more attractive with Windows 8 on board.

    The next generation of Intel chips are also likely to make some headway especially if they finally manage to conquer the CPU, GPU and power combo which it looks they they are having a damn good stab at.

    So no I am not convinced we need Apple to make this happen. Although we all know Apple feel its a waste of time, maybe the boot is on the other foot who knows. Similar things have been said with regards to the phone and tablets they produced.
    05-01-2012 03:24 PM
  21. tekhna's Avatar
    Right.... does the Macbook air have a touch screen? What does the Macbook air have anything to do with this discussion? It's a small laptop running OSX.

    And yeah, a portable tablet that can be taken around anywhere, easier than a laptop, dock and instantly turn into a full Windows 7 machine is a terrible idea. Why would anyone ever want such a piece of technology

    There's a reason Windows machines own a good 92% of the desktop/laptop marketshare, and it's because Apple's can't do squat besides run their pretty little apps and stupid gimmicks like photobooth.

    A windows 8 tablet is both a toy and a tool you can do real, limitless work on, given the hardware advances that will come eventually. An apple ipad, macbook, or whatever other product they have is nothing more than a toy (a very expensive one) unless you're in certain niche industries, like music and art.

    Oh wait, music and art? Can you run photoshop on an iPad? No. Can you run Ableton live on an iPad? No. Can you run anything of substance on an iPad? Not unless you mod it out.

    A Windows 8 tablet on intel architecture will be more useful than a full fledged iMac, let alone an iPad. El-oh-el. Most people would be willing to sacrifice a little battery life for that priveldge, I believe.

    I've been seeing a lot of my friend's Mac's with Windows 7 on them recently. Wonder why that is.

    Yeah! Which is why crappy bands that no one has heard of, like Gorillaz, record whole albums on ipads! :dry
    05-01-2012 03:34 PM
  22. badMojo69's Avatar
    Right.... does the Macbook air have a touch screen? What does the Macbook air have anything to do with this discussion? It's a small laptop running OSX.

    And yeah, a portable tablet that can be taken around anywhere, easier than a laptop, dock and instantly turn into a full Windows 7 machine is a terrible idea. Why would anyone ever want such a piece of technology

    There's a reason Windows machines own a good 92% of the desktop/laptop marketshare, and it's because Apple's can't do squat besides run their pretty little apps and stupid gimmicks like photobooth.

    A windows 8 tablet is both a toy and a tool you can do real, limitless work on, given the hardware advances that will come eventually. An apple ipad, macbook, or whatever other product they have is nothing more than a toy (a very expensive one) unless you're in certain niche industries, like music and art.

    Oh wait, music and art? Can you run photoshop on an iPad? No. Can you run Ableton live on an iPad? No. Can you run anything of substance on an iPad? Not unless you mod it out.

    A Windows 8 tablet on intel architecture will be more useful than a full fledged iMac, let alone an iPad. El-oh-el. Most people would be willing to sacrifice a little battery life for that priveldge, I believe.

    I've been seeing a lot of my friend's Mac's with Windows 7 on them recently. Wonder why that is.
    I said nothing about iPad. I'm saying the best you can hope for today if you want desktop performance with the portability of a tablet is an ultra book. But no to my knowledge there are no touch screen ultra books.
    05-01-2012 04:31 PM
  23. welsbloke's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't need Win8 to sell in the bulk numbers that 7 does.
    This is a valid point all Windows 8 needs to do is continue the trend away from XP and Vista.
    05-02-2012 02:06 AM
  24. welsbloke's Avatar
    There's a reason Windows machines own a good 92% of the desktop/laptop marketshare, and it's because Apple's can't do squat besides run their pretty little apps and stupid gimmicks like photobooth
    I understand the reasoning but with the iPad it is the pretty apps that sell it. Most notable when a business specific App is built then deployed via the iPad.

    Now with the advent of the W8 tablet I see no reaon why the pretty little apps cannot run on them after all they will be able to run both the Apps and enterprise applications. The important observation will be whether the public and Enterprise realise this and desert the platform. I am think Enterprise will get it early on and will slowly turn the execs not so sure about a brand concious public.
    05-02-2012 02:11 AM
  25. socialcarpet's Avatar
    There's a reason Windows machines own a good 92% of the desktop/laptop marketshare, and it's because Apple's can't do squat besides run their pretty little apps and stupid gimmicks like photobooth.
    Wow that's such a load of horsesh*t I don't even know where to begin or if it's even worth it.

    I didn't realize there were still people this ignorant about Mac OS.

    I'll try and keep it brief.

    Windows has 92% of the desktop/laptop market because:

    1. Microsoft licenses the OS to everyone so there is a massive selection of machines at every price point and form factor out there.

    2. Apple SAT STILL on their OS development for more than 10 years with System 6 - Mac OS 9 and even then, it took Microsoft years to get to Windows XP to pass the Mac OS up in any meaningful way.

    3. Apple still limits their OS to their hardware deliberately. They are a hardware company, not a software company like Microsoft, that's why, and because they insist on controlling the quality of the user experience from start to finish.

    There are pros and cons to both. I use both myself. Windows 7 is the first Microsoft OS I've used that I don't loathe though. It's actually pretty good.

    Windows compatibility and licensing to everything and everyone makes it very versatile and PC's make sense in the enterprise market because Microsoft offers lots of solutions there, the machines can be had cheap and Microsoft is just fine with holding back development of their OS to maintain the backwards compatibility to the year 0 that enterprise customers demand.

    There are also a massive ton more games for Windows and it's fantastic that you can build your own PC with great specs for half the price of a locked down iMac. I grant you all of that. That is why I use both.

    Don't kid yourself though. If you think Microsoft would have made anything remotely as user friendly and intuitive as Windows 7 or Windows Phone without the influence of Apple's work, you are delusional.

    As far as capability, you're truly an ignoramus if you think all Mac's can do is run photo booth and "pretty little apps". Whenever I read something like this tripe, I always picture the guy with the red stapler from Office Space.

    I'm typing this on a MacBook Air right now that is running Mac OS X 10.7 on one desktop, Windows 7 on another, email on a third desktop and a VM running Ubuntu Linux (not on at the moment though) I'm connected to Citrix Xen Desktop as well, in another browser window on my FOURTH desktop.

    The FOUR desktops I have running are all on my external monitor, which I can flip through or minimize anyway I like with some simple trackpad gestures, while I have a 5th browser window open on the laptop screen for this forum and my "goofing off" webpages.

    I also have Photoshop, Microsoft Office, OmniGraffle Pro, which I use to make Visio compatible diagrams, which I regular get compliments on because they look far better than anything Visio spits out.

    There are about 1000 other things I do regularly, probably with a lot more ease than you, with fewer steps than you on your uber-capable Windows PC, but I won't bore you with the details.

    Pull your head out of your backside. Mac OS X isn't iOS. It's a UNIX based OS that is easily as capable or more capable than any form of Windows you've got and the interface still kicks the crap out of Windows. For the love of God, Windows is still using the registry, WinFS still hasn't been implemented (is it even being developed any more or has Microsoft given up on a modern file system?) and Windows STILL doesn't have multiple desktops after Linux has had it for more than 10 years and the Mac has had it for about 4+ years.

    :dry:
    05-02-2012 01:13 PM
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