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05-14-2012 02:32 PM
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  1. HeyCori's Avatar
    I hope Nokia's exclusive apps cause fragmentation. Why? To increase competition amongst other OEMs. Manufactures are currently in bad shape. Samsung and Apple are gobbling up 99% of mobile profits with no signs of slowing down. The only way to counter that is to make a product that is more attractive to consumers than the competitors. That is what Nokia is doing with their exclusive apps - competing. As Nokia gains more marketshare that's going to further put the squeeze on OEMs. For example, HTC is losing the Android and WP fight. In the end, HTC will either have to compete or fade away. If HTC is smart they'll start working on a legitimate ecosystem of their own, complete with things people actually want (unlike Beats audio). We saw some signs of life with HTC Locations including offline maps, but they're going to have to work much harder if they want to stave off Samsung, Nokia, and Apple. The same can be said for all the other OEMs out there that make Android/WP devices.
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    05-09-2012 10:23 AM
  2. selfcreation's Avatar
    Excellent comments so far but I still don't think it's fair for people to benefit more than others on the same OS. In the Android world, I think it's about OS customizations and not apps benefits. All apps are acquired by everyone, the only difference being your customizations and experience.

    Secondly, I know some HTC and MS workers will see this post, after all they are here with us under disguise ;-)

    Sent from my HTC HD7 using Board Express
    I think the LOGIC behind this is that NOKIA is the HERO WP now and the fact that WP share are SO SMALL!! that if anything this is just gona help bring in MORE clients to the OS.

    the only people really getting affected are the OEM and existing clients on HTC and Samsung ..etc...

    I guess only time will tell if this was a smart of bad move.
    xalasten likes this.
    05-09-2012 10:25 AM
  3. lotfett's Avatar
    MS gives money to Nokia to keep them WP only and to make unique phones compared to those in the android line. Well what has Nokia done? Well the rumors are that Nokia pushed LTE support to WP7 which was scheduled to be in Apollo. All of the manufacturers got the LTE because of that. I'm waiting to see what else is in the pipeline. What Nokia has already done with Symbian: 41M camera, HDMI, DLNA, NFC and lots of other stuff. This means that ALL of the OEM:s will have the option to include or exclude these options if Nokia has enough muscles to push these through.

    Now that they are bringing apps quicker than any other OEM will put up a competition never seen within this platform which will benefit everyone. You just have to wait if sticking with an OEM which is not willing to spend a dime on software development. I think it is more than fair.
    05-09-2012 10:37 AM
  4. gwydionjhr's Avatar
    As I see it, there are 3 ways to differentiate a phone.

    -The Hardware: This is the physical design of the phone, both internally and externally. Internally are things like CPU cores, accelerometers, and gyroscopes, etc. MS specs what pieces can be used, limiting the OEMs, which keeps costs down and makes the OS more stable. That's a good thing. Externally, by and large the OEMs have a free hand, this too is a good thing. Focusing their energy on the design of the phone as a differentiator from their competitors will hopefully lead to more beautiful and cutting edge form factors.

    -The OS: otherwise known as "Skins". On Android this has been the main focus for OEMS as the way they differentiate their phones from the next guy. The problem with this approach is that updates and patches all have to be re-written by the OEMS and then again by the carriers after being released by Google to work properly with their skins. I've never owned an Android phone, but I've yet to listen to or read a single reviewer/blogger that claims these skins are better than the "stock" Android experience. So what's the point? Bloatware that slows the passage of updates to the consumer and screws up the phone? Thanks but no thanks. For the grass is always greener crowd asking for more Android style customization, just take a look down this slippery slope and see if it's where you want to go. 5% of your phones running the latest OS, a la Ice Cream Sandwich, or 100% running WP7.5?

    -Apps: The 3rd way for OEMs to differentiate their phone from the competition. All of these companies have a limited amount of resources. Given my druthers, would I want the OEMs directing their resources towards writing custom skins as I've outlined above, OR use those same programmers to develop custom apps for their line of WPs? Lemme think about this for a second.....

    Competition makes the breed stronger. If the struggle revolves around the physical design/beauty of the phone, and the apps it comes with, I think MS has devised a strategy that will make the consumers the winner in the end.
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    05-09-2012 11:08 AM
  5. sting7k's Avatar
    Saw this great article (http://www.windowscentral.com/nokia-...exclusive-apps) and it's worth discussion. Actually I'm pissed about what Nokia is doing. Is it by force to use a Nokia device?? If I dont, why I'm I being punnised for it by not getting some good apps?

    Nokia has made moves to gain some big titles (and leverage) for their hardware. Who does it hurt? Who does it benefit and is it a good thing? I say a BIG NO, it's not a good thing. Good for Nokia but not for the OS (Windows Phone)

    The real deal is, Nokias strategy to get these apps and games on their hardware will definetely hurt Windows Phone and I can see Nokia's Version of Windows Phone coming out real soon and it aint good.

    Pissed this morning, Always Nokia, Nokia, Nokia all ove the news with exclusive good apps.....WTF :mad:
    I would be more upset with HTC and Samsung for not courting developers to bring big name apps to their phones. You are going to get the apps eventually, just months after Nokia users. So nothing is fragmented.

    Nokia isn't making these apps. They are getting developers to bring their apps to WP7 and in return for probably some money up front they get exclusive rights for some time to promote their phones over the other WP7 competition. I very much doubt Nokia is making Angry Birds in Space...

    It's business people. Take up your complaints with Samsung and HTC and ask why they are not supporting their WP7 customers. This stuff happens all the time. Xbox LIVE users get Call of Duty DLC weeks or months before PS3 users for the same reasons. Deal with it.
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    05-09-2012 11:15 AM
  6. ninjaap's Avatar
    Okay let's be honest, many of you are scared of fragmentation, because you don't wanna be called out by your Android friends. Who cares? Just be content you'll eventually get them (apps) as opposed to never getting them.
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    05-09-2012 11:20 AM
  7. Mio_Ray's Avatar
    This is not fragmentation and it is not hurting the OS! At least not when we are reffering to Nokias own creations like Drive, City Lens etc.

    Even on Android, producers create their own touchwiz etc. Skins on top of the OS. Think of this being just the same except Nokia is the only producer taking it really serious. Other producers are free to create their own exclusive apps as well.

    Ofcourse it is a little problematic if they expand to 3rd party exclusive apps, like for example closing a deal with EA to make FIFA2013 exclusive for Lumia! But it is still not fragmentation of the OS.

    EDIT: if they pay for the development I even think that the above is fair enough as well


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    Last edited by Mio_BB; 05-09-2012 at 11:41 AM.
    05-09-2012 11:36 AM
  8. kenzibit's Avatar
    Funny that no one was beating down LG last year when they introduced exclusive apps, including; Augmented Reality and an "unmatched to date", Voice to Text/EMail app. And I believe HTC still has an exclusive on a flashlight app that uses the camera flash. Nokia mapping apps come from NAVTEC, so that was already their property.

    Regarding exclusive arrangements with some big names, guess you can't please some people no matter what. First is was, WP won't catch on till they get these popular apps. Now it's WP won't catch on because Nokia has an exclusive on these popular apps. Here's an idea. Buy a Nokia and stop your bellyaching.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    What are you talking about? Don't be soo naive, can you compare a flashlight app to a CNN app? mtcheeww it's the OS thats my choice not a phone so why should I feel cheated. You cant force me t buy a Nokia device, im using WP OS not a Nokia OS...WRITE SOMETHING PROPER.
    05-09-2012 03:00 PM
  9. kenzibit's Avatar
    yep, terrible idea. Lets put a stop to this and go back to the status quo of not having these apps released at all for wp and oem's like htc and samsung releasing phones and not doing anything to promote them while they promote their android devices.

    Lets ignore the fact that only a handful are actually exclusive to nokia and only for a set time period. Lets convieniently forget that nokia is also providing their mapping services, operator contacts and other benefits to ms and are not just being paid blindly by ms.

    Yep, lets just wait for htc and samsung to jump in and fully support the platform and provide their exclusive services like beats and chaton. Lets just sit back and pray that wp somehow takes off like we've been doing since it was launched in october 2010 with no support from the launch oem's. Yes, then its all going to work out for wp....:rolleyes:
    sensible speech my brother, love that
    :)
    05-09-2012 03:21 PM
  10. cckgz4's Avatar
    Terrible idea for MS. A consumer walks in ready to renew or sign a new contract and here's the break down:

    Iphone - yes, you can use that app
    Android - yes, any of these phones can use that app.
    Windows Phone - well, you can only use that app on that 1 phone...but hey, after a year, you'll be able to use it!

    The Lumia 900 reviews on the ATT website aren't that great. Compared to other Windows Phones, it's only ahead of the refurbished Focus Flash. Otherwise, it's tied with the Focus Flash and behind the Titan, Focus S, and Titan II.
    Hmmm....i got PLENTY of messages about certain apps not working for certain android devices. Netflix anyone? Wasn't compatible for a LOT of devices on initial devices for a long time. Samsung galaxy 3, Flipboard? Yea you can get the apn and side load but the general market doesn't know that. So lets not act like android is above exclusivity. What some of you need to do is see that Nokia is the only company to take matters in their own hands. What if this had been the kin or palm pre again? Yall would be pissed cause of lack of developers. Damned if you do, damned if you don't
    05-09-2012 03:29 PM
  11. kenzibit's Avatar
    they all have exclusive apps LOL! Samsung too , each OEM has its own little *side*marketplace .

    i think its cause NOKIA actualy has excluse apps that are actually GOOD! LMAO aside from Samsung's Rubik's Cub! lol. yay exclusive Rubik's Cube . HAHA

    at lease the APPS are goign to a TOP END Wp and not the low end Wps..
    Exactly, The dude doesn't know what he's talking about. He should go do his home work and stop ******* me
    05-09-2012 03:32 PM
  12. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    It does sometimes feel like if you don't have a Lumia you don't have a windows phone.

    Probably more so for me since I have a Titan II and it is never in the news or talked about.
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    05-09-2012 03:42 PM
  13. cckgz4's Avatar
    Honestly, android didn't feel like anything special until verizon/motorola did that droid collaboration. Every platform has a hero device
    05-09-2012 03:44 PM
  14. kenzibit's Avatar
    Honestly, android didn't feel like anything special until verizon/motorola did that droid collaboration. Every platform has a hero device
    A hero device as in specs and not apps benefits.
    05-09-2012 03:49 PM
  15. smapor's Avatar
    It does sometimes feel like if you don't have a Lumia you don't have a windows phone.

    Probably more so for me since I have a Titan II and it is never in the news or talked about.
    WP users still love each other ;)
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    05-09-2012 03:55 PM
  16. SkylerP's Avatar
    So when other OEM have exclusive collection it's no big deal. But when Nokia comes out with a collection, people pull the fragmentation card and complain.
    05-09-2012 04:18 PM
  17. thed's Avatar
    So when other OEM have exclusive collection it's no big deal. But when Nokia comes out with a collection, people pull the fragmentation card and complain.
    Again, it's not the same thing. Nobody's complaining about OEMs keeping their own software exclusive. If Nokia wants to restrict Nokia Maps, Music, Drive etc to their own devices then that's fine. It's when they go out and do this with apps and services they don't own or produce that it's a problem.

    What if Instagram, Draw something, and Pandora came to WP, but were exclusive to HTC phones for 6 months? Would there be Nokia owners here complaining? I'd bet my whole bank account that there would be.
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    05-09-2012 04:27 PM
  18. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    LOL, some people just refuse to see the difference between, for ex. PayPay and Nokia Drive. No **** one is already exclusive, but the other is a highly used 3rd party app.

    And to whoever said, "just buy a Nokia". Please go jump off a bridge.
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    05-09-2012 04:36 PM
  19. sting7k's Avatar
    Slightly off topic but I don't even see the Nokia collection in the market place right now on my Lumia. Where did it go?
    05-09-2012 04:38 PM
  20. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    I read the title of this thread and really didn't want to comment. I know people are going to have strong opinions either way, but come on...they are helping to push the OS and the WP environment forward. That's the bigger picture.
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    05-09-2012 04:46 PM
  21. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    Things like this make me concerned that one day...

    You won't be able to watch certain dvds/blurays for xx amount of time unless you have the specific brand of player.

    You will have to wait xx amount of days to watch a certain TV episode unless you have a certain brand TV.

    Maybe Nokia or MS will strike a deal with Starbucks or some other retail place and if you show that you own a windows phone you get 10% off....

    One day.
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    05-09-2012 05:24 PM
  22. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    You know...what I might be okay with...

    I am thankful we will be getting more apps, good ones too. I realize that Nokia has spent some money on getting these apps/developers to release on WP, so I guess Nokia should get something for that. What if...in addition of making them exclusive for xx amount of time, they give the option to charge other phone users $0.99 more for the app. The $0.99 would go to Nokia, and it would give the other phone users the option to get the app right away, or wait the xx amount of days before it becomes available to everyone.

    I would be okay with that. It gives me the option to get the app right away or I could just wait. I would be fine with giving Nokia, HTC or Samsung $1 here and there for increasing WP apps/developers.
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    05-09-2012 05:31 PM
  23. Jrexxx's Avatar
    You know...what I might be okay with...

    I am thankful we will be getting more apps, good ones too. I realize that Nokia has spent some money on getting these apps/developers to release on WP, so I guess Nokia should get something for that. What if...in addition of making them exclusive for xx amount of time, they give the option to charge other phone users $0.99 more for the app. The $0.99 would go to Nokia, and it would give the other phone users the option to get the app right away, or wait the xx amount of days before it becomes available to everyone.

    I would be okay with that. It gives me the option to get the app right away or I could just wait. I would be fine with giving Nokia, HTC or Samsung $1 here and there for increasing WP apps/developers.
    That's actually quite a good idea... However, I wonder if the developers would let Nokia do that.
    05-09-2012 05:34 PM
  24. invertme's Avatar
    I think the amount of people who will cry over this is a very small percentage. Nokia is doing a great thing for themselves and their users.

    Good job Nokia! Keep up the good work.
    05-09-2012 06:32 PM
  25. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    Things like this make me concerned that one day...

    You won't be able to watch certain dvds/blurays for xx amount of time unless you have the specific brand of player.

    You will have to wait xx amount of days to watch a certain TV episode unless you have a certain brand TV.

    Maybe Nokia or MS will strike a deal with Starbucks or some other retail place and if you show that you own a windows phone you get 10% off....

    One day.
    In a way, this already happens. 30 days before Netflix can get new releases. A delay from when certain pay TV companies can broadcast content, etc. It already exists. So it comes to mobile phone OEMs and now becomes an issue when it's already accepted? Well...maybe not accepted, but already a practice.
    cckgz4 likes this.
    05-09-2012 06:38 PM
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