1. bigkevbosky's Avatar
    So I'm headed back to WP7 after an Android detour. I had a Samsung Focus that was really nice, but I was tired of 3G speeds. I was also curious about ICS and how that compared to WP7. So I bought a cheap, off contract Pantech Burst. The phone itself is similar in size, weight, everything to the Focus, and was promised an ICS update. But after a couple of months with it, I've decided I had enough and bought a Samsung Focus S off Ebay. It'll be here Monday and I'll finally be rid of Android forever.

    Here's why I'm back to WP7...

    - Tired of constant toggling of Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, etc. I left everything on, all the time on my Focus, and it NEVER ran out of juice or even came close. The best thing about WP7, other than the UI, is the battery life.

    - Tired of constant Force Closes and reboots. Android, for no reason, will FC a program or reboot itself randomly. And this has happened on EVERY Android device I've ever owned (HTC Inspire, Dell Streak, Pantech Burst, etc).

    - Tired of slow updates. I know AT&T hasn't offered 8107 yet, so I get that WP7 is in the same boat, but 7720 works pretty well as is. At least, compared to Android 2.3. So I get the Burst thinking "hey, how long could it take to get ICS on here"? Come to find out, not until "later in the Summer, maybe end of Summer". I can't tolerate Android 2.3 until then.

    - Tired of trying to put lipstick on a pig. Android is an ugly, ugly operating system. The best part about it is that you can change it any way you want to make it look good. But the worst part about it, is that you can change it in any way you want to make it look good. Sydney from Phonedog just had the perfect article about this - customization is great, but the OS shouldn't be so f*cking ugly from the start that you should have to customize it so much.

    - Tired of slowdowns. The Burst has 1 GB of ram, a DUAL CORE 1.5 Ghz processor, and was competing with some of the highest of the high end Android devices on speed. But, hey, put a Live Wallpaper on your screen plus a few widgets, and the device SLOWS DOWN. How is this possible? If your OS can't handle Live Wallpapers and multiple widgets, DON'T GIVE THEM AS OPTIONS.

    The best way I can describe how I feel about WP7 is that it feels like going home. There's a comfort level there. You know things will just...work. Its what Apple got right with iOS and what Microsoft is getting right with WP7. Google has never gotten it right with Android.
    05-18-2012 03:33 PM
  2. selfcreation's Avatar
    LOL @ mama im coming home.....


    well glad to see you come back :) and a positive thread about WP is always fun!

    welcome back to the.. hmmm ..the darkside?? I dout WP is considered the light side, HAHA.

    id have to say I agree with some of you reasons , like how its a UGLY OS , I to cant stand Android , i always end up doing 50 things before doing the one thing i was TRYING to do! lol

    I just like WP cause it WORKS , and if i want something its never more then 1 or 2 push away!!! :P

    :D:D WELCOME BACK :D:D
    05-18-2012 03:39 PM
  3. jimski's Avatar
    Welcome back. Not sure if I would try it with a Focus, but maybe you can borrow a L900 and drive a nail through that Burst. You know, to put it out of its misery. It's the compassionate thing to do.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    05-18-2012 04:27 PM
  4. selfcreation's Avatar
    Welcome back. Not sure if I would try it with a Focus, but maybe you can borrow a L900 and drive a nail through that Burst. You know, to put it out of its misery. It's the compassionate thing to do.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    lol I love my focus rev 1.4 still using it , never had a problem with it! cant say that for any of the Nokia. from what im seeing aside from the good looking phone case its nothing but problems from them.
    05-18-2012 04:32 PM
  5. jimski's Avatar
    Sorry. Can't quote. Damn Board Express.

    Not knocking (no pun intended) the Focus. In fact, I refuse to knock any WP device. Just tried to make a funny based on today's current Nokia news.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    05-18-2012 04:41 PM
  6. shlomo80's Avatar
    It wasn't really fair to stack up a budget Android against a mid-range WP7 was it?

    So I bought a One X to set against my Lumia 800.

    That didn't change my results though :p My replacement for the X will be the Lumia 900 for sure, uncertainty about upgrades notwithstanding. Haven't decided whether to sell the HTC - Android for all it's *huge* negatives in 'everyday getting-out-of-your-face' use does have some merits, especially for some stuff I like doing.
    05-20-2012 03:53 PM
  7. eric12341's Avatar
    It wasn't really fair to stack up a budget Android against a mid-range WP7 was it?

    So I bought a One X to set against my Lumia 800.

    That didn't change my results though :p My replacement for the X will be the Lumia 900 for sure, uncertainty about upgrades notwithstanding. Haven't decided whether to sell the HTC - Android for all it's *huge* negatives in 'everyday getting-out-of-your-face' use does have some merits, especially for some stuff I like doing.
    you sir are missing the point, he said that the burst he was using had a DUAL CORE processor and 1GB of RAM, the focus and focus S by comparison have 512MB RAM and 1-1.4ghz SINGLE CORE processor. So yea the comparison was fair and the Android device wasn't budget.
    05-20-2012 06:24 PM
  8. shlomo80's Avatar
    you sir are missing the point, he said that the burst he was using had a DUAL CORE processor and 1GB of RAM, the focus and focus S by comparison have 512MB RAM and 1-1.4ghz SINGLE CORE processor. So yea the comparison was fair and the Android device wasn't budget.
    You sir are missing the point by saying I am missing the point.
    05-20-2012 08:36 PM
  9. eric12341's Avatar
    You sir are missing the point by saying I am missing the point.
    obviously I'm right since you have nothing to counter with other than mocking me.
    05-20-2012 09:03 PM
  10. freestaterocker's Avatar
    LOL @ mama im coming home.....


    well glad to see you come back :) and a positive thread about WP is always fun!

    welcome back to the.. hmmm ..the darkside?? I dout WP is considered the light side, HAHA.

    id have to say I agree with some of you reasons , like how its a UGLY OS , I to cant stand Android , i always end up doing 50 things before doing the one thing i was TRYING to do! lol

    I just like WP cause it WORKS , and if i want something its never more then 1 or 2 push away!!! :P

    :D:D WELCOME BACK :D:D
    Yeah, def the dark side... Major carrier partner in the US is the death star, after all!
    05-20-2012 10:59 PM
  11. AngryNil's Avatar
    So I bought a One X to set against my Lumia 800.
    Just a week ago I was trumpeting the One X, then I found out that users were reporting serious multitasking issues (third-party streaming music apps quitting, apps getting unloaded from memory way too quickly). Are you experiencing any problems?
    05-20-2012 11:35 PM
  12. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    LOL @ mama im coming home.....
    I immediately thought of the Ozzy song (and the old Ozzy commercial with the WinMo Samsung Jack). ;)
    selfcreation likes this.
    05-20-2012 11:49 PM
  13. cckgz4's Avatar
    Welcome back!!
    05-21-2012 01:35 AM
  14. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    This thread brings a tear to my eye. Welcome home, son.
    05-21-2012 01:52 AM
  15. J4rrod's Avatar
    ^rofl

    Sent from my SGH-i937 using Board Express
    05-21-2012 02:29 AM
  16. Big Supes's Avatar
    Welcome back. I can see how WP can feel like home to those who wanted to explore other options. It's such a well thought out, easy to use, and elegant OS that it's a pleasure to use. :)
    scottcraft likes this.
    05-21-2012 04:16 AM
  17. bigkevbosky's Avatar
    you sir are missing the point, he said that the burst he was using had a DUAL CORE processor and 1GB of RAM, the focus and focus S by comparison have 512MB RAM and 1-1.4ghz SINGLE CORE processor. So yea the comparison was fair and the Android device wasn't budget.
    Well, maybe I wasn't really clear in my original post.

    I wasn't really comparing, specs wise, Android phones with Windows phones. My point was that the Burst, at the time it came out (late January), was competing, performance wise, with some of the best Android phones on the market at that time, like the Razr Maxx and the Skyrocket. So for a "budget" Android device, it was performing like a top of the line device (the small screen and low resolution is how they got the price cheap enough to consider it a mid-range phone). So my expectations are that a "top performing" Android phone should be able to handle live wallpapers and a few widgets and still scroll smoothly and work well. It didn't. It got bogged down and acted like any other Android phone I've ever used.

    My experience with Windows phone is, no matter what the speed of the processor or ram, it performs pretty much like every other Windows phone. So you don't have to pick your WP7 phone based on performance, because you know it'll just work. You can pick it based on other things that are important to you (audio, camera, screen size, etc). Its....refreshing to not have to worry about ram or processor speed in a phone.

    Now, the HTC One X blows the Burst out of the water, but its also a newer generation (3 months newer is, yes, a new generation in the world of Android phones).
    05-21-2012 08:54 AM
  18. bear_lx's Avatar
    specs dont matter anyway... its about user experience. and i have had a better user experience with my trophy than high end androids with much higher specs. welcome home
    jleebiker likes this.
    05-21-2012 11:18 AM
  19. turbulent28's Avatar
    For new customers, for people who want things to just work, Windows is perfect. Its simple yet dare i say, elegant.

    My wife and I have had crap phones for a long time and only because we didnt want to give up our grandfathered plan with Sprint. The highest I could upgrade to was a HTC touch pro 2. Tried it. HATED IT. So I was stuck with my trusty Palm Centro (THAT JUST WORKED) and my wife with her Treo PRO (didnt work all that well..lol)

    I got her the Focus S and she picked it up quick. No app to release memory, no tiny crammed icons, no more constant rom flashing, no more having to keep up to date with ROM threads..No more babysitting..

    Its wonderful. It just works.
    05-21-2012 12:33 PM
  20. redeyss's Avatar
    Yep, same here. Focus S had a defect in usb port so I sent it back to Samsung for warranty work and used a Sony Xperia Play and Iphone 3gs in the two week down time. Got my Focus S back last night and WHAT A PLEASURE!!! So FAST and responsive, just works with minimal tinkering.

    I learned to flash roms on the Xperia but it becomes an obsession and you are always looking for the "perfect" setup, very unhealthy obsession for me and more of a plaything than a phone.

    Iphone 3gs, what a pig!! So slow to do anything! Back to using it as an Ipod Touch.
    :D
    05-22-2012 10:49 AM
  21. invertme's Avatar
    lol I love my focus rev 1.4 still using it , never had a problem with it! cant say that for any of the Nokia. from what im seeing aside from the good looking phone case its nothing but problems from them.
    That's not a true reflection of the 900 at all. Yes people have problems but many people don't have any issues at all. People just expect too much from the hype around the 900. If you base your expectations in reality the issues with the 900 are for the most part very minor.

    Still though, I never had issue one with my Focus. Such an amazing phone!
    05-22-2012 11:14 AM
  22. socialcarpet's Avatar
    That's not a true reflection of the 900 at all. Yes people have problems but many people don't have any issues at all. People just expect too much from the hype around the 900. If you base your expectations in reality the issues with the 900 are for the most part very minor.

    Still though, I never had issue one with my Focus. Such an amazing phone!
    Exactly.

    The L900 had some bugs at launch, which is normal for any new phone, even the iPhone4 had the antenna bug and Apple has arguably the best QC in the industry.

    The issues the L900 has had are being blown way out of proportion and seem much more prevalent than they actually are because:

    A.) The Lumia is selling by the millions, it's simple statistics. More phones, more phones with problems. More people to post on forums about their problems. So many more people that they quickly dwarf the users of any other Windows Phone.

    B.) The media has turned the Lumia 900 into a melodramatic "make or break" product for Nokia and vacillates wildly from praising it to condemning it. The blogosphere is so bipolar and hyperbolic about this phone it's ridiculous. So there are unreasonable expectations and an unusual amount of attention and scrutiny.

    C.) The iPhone is probably the only other phone to be scrutinized and obsessed about as throughly and unlike the iPhone, the Lumia did not get an automatic "pass" and the loving adoration of most of the tech press. Most were skeptical or waiting for it to fail or pick it apart compared to their beloved iPhone. The Lumia is kind of chic and fashion conscious in a way that no other phone has really pulled off since the iPhone -- that's flying the face of God to iPhone devotees, so consciously or subconsciously they see it as a threat to the iPhone's status as the "hippest" phone to have and they want to undermine it.

    D.) EVERY phone has problems. The most relevant thing is how the manufacturer and the carriers/retailers RESPOND to those problems. Most of us are used to OEMs making us wait months and months for software patches and updates, or outright denying that a problem exists (the iPhone antenna issue) until complaints reach a fever pitch and their hand is forced. CONTRAST THAT with Nokia's response to the few issues with the Lumia 900. I challenge anyone to show me another phone maker who has done 1/2 as good a job as Nokia has in responding to their customers here. A data bug which I didn't even experience was fixed within A WEEK of it being discovered, and we all got a full REFUND of our purchase price for the inconvenience, which most of us never ever had. Nokia has exchanged tons of phones, no questions asked, even for dubious complaints like "the screen clicks a little bit when I squeeze the upper right corner of the glass"

    No one can match the quickness, thoroughness and quality of Nokia's customer support in all this. Not even close. That counts for quite a bit in my book.
    Aeon2k likes this.
    05-22-2012 11:58 AM
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