05-22-2012 04:02 PM
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  1. patch321's Avatar
    i've been through iphone. i hated how closed everything was. it seemed like you had to open 3 different apps to add something to read it later or even edit and upload a pic to facebook.

    i currently am with android. i enjoy how easy it is to share everything between apps. i share a cool website from my browser to read it later. i can edit a picture and share it with any other app all from within the gallery. but android is sooooooooo ugly and clunky feeling!

    i've seen the "i got smoked by a windows phone" campeign and i have to admit i'm pretty impressed. i've played with wp7 phones at my local at&t store and i'm equally impressed.

    essentially i use my phone to share status's pictures of my daughter with family and read articles from all over the internet and like to be able to save them to save it later. so essentially my question is: is all this done more in an apple style where virtually no apps talk to each other, an android style where all of them are able to talk to each other, or somewhere in between?

    tl;dr tell me how to share stuff!
    05-18-2012 06:38 PM
  2. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Let me start off by saying welcome to our community! The moment you take a picture with a WP7, swipe down to get from the camera UI to the pic you just took, and tap the ... at the bottom right of the screen to bring up your options. Any photo-editing apps you have will show up here, as well as the incredible built in auto-fix. Also the share on Facebook and share... options. These are different. Share on Facebook does what it says, and also includes automatic tagging, whereas share... gives a list of options including email, SMS, social networks (twitter, etc), SkyDrive, IM, and more. Everything is very well integrated. I like to think of it this way: on iPhone and Android "there's an app for that"; on WP7 "you don't need an app for that. It's built into the OS". Not that catchy, I know, but you you get the idea. :)

    I would like to add playing with one in store, while better than a dummy model, still pales in comparison to the full experience: WP doesn't come alive until you add your various accounts.
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    05-18-2012 07:13 PM
  3. DanielCeleste's Avatar
    First of all, you can save to Pocket (formerly read it later) from any web browser period through a bookmarklet, so any smartphone should suffice in that department. Also, with iOS 4 & 5 (and 6 coming later this year) apps have been very capable of interacting with each other.

    For what you like to do, I would recommend iPhone or Android because they have native Pocket (read it later) with iCloud and Chrome sync. If you like Pocket (read it later), iPhone and Android have official apps, whereas WP7 only has alternatives.

    For posting pictures of your daughter, WP7 is fast, but offers pretty good photo editing options, but not nearly as much as iOS and Android. Also, you'll find that the iPhone 4S has the best camera on the market, when considering the quality of the photos (not resolution) because after all, that is the most important part.

    now for everyone else reading this, PLEASE don't get all whiney because I like windows phone. I would use it before android any day, and think it is a worthy iPhone competitor. I just don't see it as being the OS on my next smartphone, since it is actually very closed compared to iOS (based on app selection and functionality). Maybe Apollo will change things, but iOS 6 is coming out at the same time.

    The bottom line is, wait for the fall and choose between iOS and android.

    Sent from my HTC HD7 using Board Express
    05-18-2012 07:29 PM
  4. DanielCeleste's Avatar
    Also, I forgot to mention some things:
    1. iPhone has built in twitter, but that's it, so consider that in your selection. (you cold always make tweets go to Facebook automatically)
    And iOS has many more out of the box photo editing tools.

    2. Don't always believe Smoked by Windows phone. These are trained professionals with optimized configurations on their phones vs. stupid average people who think that the best way to find a nearby five star restaurant is to google "nearby five star restaurant". If you challenged them to see who could crop a photo and remove red rye the fastest, they'd loose by a mile since its not built in.

    3. If you want to be connected to the people you care about faster, Windows Phone is definitely the best option

    4. I AM NOT BEING BIASED IN ANY WAY. I'm just telling how it is.

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    05-18-2012 07:35 PM
  5. patch321's Avatar
    i will agree with you that as far as photo options, and especially camera quality, the winner would have to be iphone. saying that, i have played with the lumia and the titan II and was very impressed with their "auto-fix" function.

    i however have to strongly disagree with you about apps integrating well in iOS. i can't save a photo to dropbox without opening the dropbox app. i can't facebook an interesting article from safari. i can't send a fun photo to my picasa account (or anything other than twitter for that matter). i can't find a diner in maps and then use waze to navigate without copying and pasting

    in iOS apps only talk with other apps that are specifically mentioned in their programming.
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    05-18-2012 08:15 PM
  6. J4rrod's Avatar
    Listen to freestaterocker. You've already been through iOS, you know what you dislike about it. You like Android, but think it's a mess, which it is. The camera on WP can talk to any app even close to being related to photos. The uploading to Facebook is a breeze, since Facebook is built in. It will even automatically tag the people in the picture.

    If you can, get the Lumia 900. You won't regret it.

    Sent from my SGH-i937 using Board Express
    05-18-2012 08:18 PM
  7. patch321's Avatar
    I like to think of it this way: on iPhone and Android "there's an app for that"; on WP7 "you don't need an app for that. It's built into the OS". Not that catchy, I know, but you you get the idea. :)
    the more i play with the phone the more i'm pleasantly surprised to find this is true.
    05-18-2012 08:19 PM
  8. smapor's Avatar
    Maybe Apollo will change things, but iOS 6 is coming out at the same time.

    The bottom line is, wait for the fall and choose between iOS and android.

    Sent from my HTC HD7 using Board Express

    I I really hate this comment...

    Because we all know Apollo has big changes to either finally catch up on missing functions or blow the market away with its tight integration with smartphone, tablet and PC's.

    Do I think it will be better than Android, maybe not, but I do know I won't have to deal with rooting, fragmented OS (unless I pick the right OEM) and needing antivirus.

    Do I think it will be better than IOS 6? Maybe not but if it's anything like the IOS upgrades, they weren't exactly huge. Then you have to worry about Apple doing stupid stuff like stopping your Iphone 4 from having siri, because iPhone 4S (needed to be known as your $199 phone).

    Apollo may not be exactly like Android or IOS but that's a good thing. Will it not be better??? No, it will be better.
    05-18-2012 08:43 PM
  9. patch321's Avatar
    i personally enjoy the way the apps look in windows phone. they all seem like they belong on the same device running the same software. android apps are often ugly as sin. gray and boring. i'm sure there's and android app that can hack into my neighbors wifi and stream his cable connection straight to my phone all the while watching two movies simultaneously in HD. will i ever use that? no.

    didn't mean for my first post to turn into android vs ios vs WP7. really just wanted to know how integrated all the apps are with each other. i DO like how android does that.
    05-18-2012 09:00 PM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    SkyDrive is awesome for sharing pictures. Beside pictures, SkyDrive will also allow one to share Office files.
    05-18-2012 11:43 PM
  11. freestaterocker's Avatar
    i personally enjoy the way the apps look in windows phone. they all seem like they belong on the same device running the same software. android apps are often ugly as sin. gray and boring. i'm sure there's and android app that can hack into my neighbors wifi and stream his cable connection straight to my phone all the while watching two movies simultaneously in HD. will i ever use that? no.

    didn't mean for my first post to turn into android vs ios vs WP7. really just wanted to know how integrated all the apps are with each other. i DO like how android does that.
    Integration is the whole show with WP. I will be the first to admit there are things that it doesn't do as well as Android, integration is generally not one of them. For example: I am a man of faith and regularly read the bible on my phone with the Youversion app. Youversion has an audio option for most of the couple hundred translations it offers. I can access the audio bible through the Zune media player if I'm driving and listening to music or whatever. It's right there. I realize this might not be a feature you care about, I'm just using it as an example of the integration that can be found all over the WP OS.
    05-19-2012 07:17 AM
  12. eric12341's Avatar
    First of all, you can save to Pocket (formerly read it later) from any web browser period through a bookmarklet, so any smartphone should suffice in that department. Also, with iOS 4 & 5 (and 6 coming later this year) apps have been very capable of interacting with each other.

    For what you like to do, I would recommend iPhone or Android because they have native Pocket (read it later) with iCloud and Chrome sync. If you like Pocket (read it later), iPhone and Android have official apps, whereas WP7 only has alternatives.

    For posting pictures of your daughter, WP7 is fast, but offers pretty good photo editing options, but not nearly as much as iOS and Android. Also, you'll find that the iPhone 4S has the best camera on the market, when considering the quality of the photos (not resolution) because after all, that is the most important part.

    now for everyone else reading this, PLEASE don't get all whiney because I like windows phone. I would use it before android any day, and think it is a worthy iPhone competitor. I just don't see it as being the OS on my next smartphone, since it is actually very closed compared to iOS (based on app selection and functionality). Maybe Apollo will change things, but iOS 6 is coming out at the same time.

    The bottom line is, wait for the fall and choose between iOS and android.

    Sent from my HTC HD7 using Board Express
    not biased but yet you are recommending Android and iOS over WP on a WP site,doesn't make sense at all. The iPhone doesn't have the best camera on the market, the titan 2 does. Many reviews have said this already.
    05-19-2012 02:32 PM
  13. freestaterocker's Avatar
    not biased but yet you are recommending Android and iOS over WP on a WP site,doesn't make sense at all. The iPhone doesn't have the best camera on the market, the titan 2 does. Many reviews have said this already.
    They walk among us... :P
    05-19-2012 03:03 PM
  14. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    I've been off the forum for a bit, but come back to read this as my first thread and am genuinely annoyed. The OP was earnest in their original query. Freestaterocker gave a great reply and some others were also on point. Then, this generally positive topic gets railroaded by recommending iOS or Android by DanielCeleste. As someone has stated, first and foremost, this IS a WinPhone7 forum. The OP has stated his feelings on those other 2 os'es already. What was the point of that? If the question was asked here, we should be striving to teach and introduce the OP to what advantages Win7.5 has, and it has EXACTLY what they are asking about as his prime directives.

    Sorry, I just feel that true users, like most here, should be ambassadors for the platform. I'd you want to recommend something else, Do it at AndroidCentral or any of the hundreds of iOS sites...none of which I know because I don't go there to preach Android or Windows.
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    05-19-2012 05:08 PM
  15. patch321's Avatar
    Do it at AndroidCentral or any of the hundreds of iOS sites...none of which I know because I don't go there to preach Android or Windows.
    Thank you! there's a reason that i didn't go there to ask those questions even though i am a member at AC. Thank you for your reply as well. I don't have an upgrade available but i found someone to trade with over craigslist. after tomorrow i will be the owner of a samsung focus flash. i know it's not the greatest phone to start WP7 with, but it'll have to do :)
    05-19-2012 05:50 PM
  16. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    Kudos to you! Glad you were able to make something happen and welcome back to the fold.
    05-20-2012 09:09 AM
  17. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Thank you! there's a reason that i didn't go there to ask those questions even though i am a member at AC. Thank you for your reply as well. I don't have an upgrade available but i found someone to trade with over craigslist. after tomorrow i will be the owner of a samsung focus flash. i know it's not the greatest phone to start WP7 with, but it'll have to do :)
    Apart from less onboard storage and the pentile display--which only bothers some--the focus flash is a fantastic device. Great battery life, zippy processor, ffc... What more could you ask for? I'd buy one if it was available in Canada.
    05-20-2012 09:48 AM
  18. bear_lx's Avatar
    ive used all of the cloud storage devices....

    google drive sucks - i love the integration with the desktop, but its mobile viewing options are horrible. you cant view a tile pic of a file, so you really have to click on a file name, an wait for it to load before you know what you just opened. and unless you have every pic labeled this is a bad user experience IMO. in addition there is no auto upload otion

    icould - this is just a poor exuse for cloud storage. nothing about it even remotely compares to skydrive

    dropbox - this is ok, i actually liked its integration with the desktop as well, but it only gives you 2 gb for free... so whats the point?

    skydrive - i have 25 gb for FREE!!!!!! it auto uploads photos, it shows a tile pic of the file, its very metro, the user experience is amazing... plus uploads 10x faster than all the others. it also integrates all of your docs and files, along with any notes you make... eliminating the need for evernote or any third party app
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    05-20-2012 10:43 AM
  19. patch321's Avatar
    how did you get 25gb for free? was it a temporary promotion? i'm only seeing 7 for myself.
    05-20-2012 08:41 PM
  20. freestaterocker's Avatar
    how did you get 25gb for free? was it a temporary promotion? i'm only seeing 7 for myself.
    It was originally 25gb for every WP user. They lowered it after they realized they were gonna take a bath with the surging popularity of the 900. I have 25gb as well.
    05-20-2012 10:55 PM
  21. massifheed's Avatar
    Sorry, I just feel that true users, like most here, should be ambassadors for the platform.
    We have to be careful though, that we don't push Windows Phone on people it's not suitable for.

    Some folk I know have been asking me recently what phone I'd recommend, and usually these are people that really just want an iPhone. To those people, I have to say that if you really want an iPhone, then nothing else will do for you. There's just no point in pushing WP hard, and saying to people that it's really great and everyone should get one. Because all that'll happen is that if you convince someone to get a WP who actually wants an iPhone, they'll just be disappointed in it. Even if WP is a better all-round experience, it won't matter to someone who already - deep down - knows what they want.

    There was a time, seemingly a few months back now, where people would come on here for advice on which OS to go with, and they would get an honest reply. But now it seems there's an agenda to push WP, not really discuss other OS's too much (unless it's in a negative sense), and certainly not talk about WP problems or shortcomings (those threads seem to get closed quickly). I don't think that approach will help anyone.

    I was talking to my Mum recently, who is due an upgrade soon. She is fed up with her current android device (too fiddly and unreliable), and doesn't have much clue about the iPhone. Well, in that case she is a perfect fit for WP. It's ideal. But, there's little point in me trying to convince my Apple-loving friend to go WP when all they want is to be able to use the same apps their other iPhone owning friends have got, and just to be able to say they have an iPhone.

    I realise that it's a stupid reason to own a phone - just because everyone else has got one. But you'll never convert people that think like that with a logical argument based on WP's strengths. Some people (a lot actually) just don't care about that.

    I guess I'm trying to just say that, if we convince people to get a WP that don't really want one, they'll just report it as a bad experience, and that negativity soon generates a reputation. But if we sell WP to those who are ready for it, it stands a good chance at generating the right kind of reputation that spreads, without having to be forced.
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    05-21-2012 11:50 AM
  22. socialcarpet's Avatar
    i currently am with android. i enjoy how easy it is to share everything between apps. i share a cool website from my browser to read it later. i can edit a picture and share it with any other app all from within the gallery. but android is sooooooooo ugly and clunky feeling!
    There isn't quite as much inter-app integration with Windows Phone as there is in Android, however Windows Phone is better at consolidation a lot of functions within one system app. What I mean is, it's harder to say, get a menu in a third party app which will let you do something with a picture or a file. However, you've got features like the People Hub, which consolidate a lot of functions in one place in an inventive way that lets you do a lot of things you'd have to jump in and out of separate apps in Android to accomplish. I expect Windows Phone 8, the first major re-write of the OS, will include a lot more of that interoperability that you enjoy with Android, but for the time being most of us find that Windows Phone is very capable. You may need to learn some slightly different ways of doing things, but the learning curve is very gentle and almost everything is incredibly intuitive. Coming from Android myself, I can tell you the sense of continuity, clean design and uncluttered "Zen" is a breath of fresh air after living with Android. It's more than worth losing a little functionality to have a phone that is dead reliable and doesn't look like everything was designed by committee on it. Sometimes what you leave out is as important as what you pack in. Android tries to do too much IMO and it's way too sloppy for me to tolerate.

    essentially i use my phone to share status's pictures of my daughter with family...
    Share Pictures and Videos | Text or Email Pictures | Upload Pictures to the Web | Windows Phone 7


    read articles from all over the internet and like to be able to save them to save it later.
    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/ap...8-21ac122dd73e
    05-21-2012 02:23 PM
  23. patch321's Avatar
    Starting out with my Samsung Skyrocket, I was in love. But due to android's fragmentation, i found that the support for my particular device wasn't near what i expected, even from huge forums. then came the problems that i had with android that i had in other devices. problems that i was assured wouldn't happen with this phone. i won't go into specifics to avoid OS bashing.

    i was tired of android, the thought of going back to iOS after android seemed so restricting, and as far as i can see RIM is dead in the water. as i was considering a switch to windows phone i came here and was impressed with the frequency of updates on the threads, feeling that if i had a problem it would be dealt with quickly.

    i was right.

    i posted a simple question and got a variety of extremely helpful answers. i got loads of information that couldn't be picked up by playing with the demo lumia 900 at the at&t store. i even got some app suggestions (thanks socialcarpet, but i ended up with MetroPaper).

    the biggest shock to me after getting my AT&T Samsung Focus Flash, was how everything i wanted to do seemed to already be part of the OS. After booting it up, adding my accounts, and visiting the market for a few staples (facebook, twitter, espn, skydrive), i was done.

    wait....what? This is the same guy that annoyed the **** out of his GF (now wife) because he wouldn't stop fidgeting with his phone and downloading tons of apps! i kept scrounging for other apps to download but couldn't justify it to myself. Everything i wanted was in the OS +10 apps.
    i didn't need soundhound/shazam...i had bing music,
    i didn't need tweetdeck...i had the people hub,
    i didn't need a barcode or qr reader...i had bing,
    i didn't need aroundme...i had local scout,
    i didn't need soundhound/shazam...i had bing music,
    i could go on and on!!!

    The build quality and smoothness of what was supposed to be a "cheaper" phone was a pleasant surprise as well. no hiccups or hangs at all. AND FROM A SINGLE PROCESSOR? My time with spec-loving android forums tell me that's impossible!!! now i know that specs aren't everything and doesn't mean diddly when it comes to user experience.

    having said all this, i WILL say that every OS has it's positives and negatives. If you are a power user who puts a lot of stock into specs and want to be able to hack the white house from a shrub in north carolina, android is your best bet. but i think if you are the average user who texts, calls, browses the internet, and wants to share some pics and documents, THIS IS FOR YOU. i don't personally know people outside forums who want to do more than this with their phone, although i'm sure they're out there somewhere.

    but overall i just wanted to say thanks for all the help with my first post/Windows phone. and promise that all my posts won't be this long lol :lol::P;):D
    05-21-2012 06:48 PM
  24. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    We have to be careful though, that we don't push Windows Phone on people it's not suitable for.

    Some folk I know have been asking me recently what phone I'd recommend, and usually these are people that really just want an iPhone. To those people, I have to say that if you really want an iPhone, then nothing else will do for you. There's just no point in pushing WP hard, and saying to people that it's really great and everyone should get one. Because all that'll happen is that if you convince someone to get a WP who actually wants an iPhone, they'll just be disappointed in it. Even if WP is a better all-round experience, it won't matter to someone who already - deep down - knows what they want.

    There was a time, seemingly a few months back now, where people would come on here for advice on which OS to go with, and they would get an honest reply. But now it seems there's an agenda to push WP, not really discuss other OS's too much (unless it's in a negative sense), and certainly not talk about WP problems or shortcomings (those threads seem to get closed quickly). I don't think that approach will help anyone.

    I was talking to my Mum recently, who is due an upgrade soon. She is fed up with her current android device (too fiddly and unreliable), and doesn't have much clue about the iPhone. Well, in that case she is a perfect fit for WP. It's ideal. But, there's little point in me trying to convince my Apple-loving friend to go WP when all they want is to be able to use the same apps their other iPhone owning friends have got, and just to be able to say they have an iPhone.

    I realise that it's a stupid reason to own a phone - just because everyone else has got one. But you'll never convert people that think like that with a logical argument based on WP's strengths. Some people (a lot actually) just don't care about that.

    I guess I'm trying to just say that, if we convince people to get a WP that don't really want one, they'll just report it as a bad experience, and that negativity soon generates a reputation. But if we sell WP to those who are ready for it, it stands a good chance at generating the right kind of reputation that spreads, without having to be forced.
    As you correctly quoted, I said AMBASSADOR, not salesman. There is a world of difference between the two. Also, the OP stated in their initial post the experiences on the other systems. As an AMBASSADOR, we aid in helping the user with the offerings on Windows Phone, and as you see in their last response, it's EXACTLY what they were looking for....not to be directed back to Android/iOS.

    I think you failed to see my point in that brief statement you quoted. When I worked for Verizon, if someone came in wanting an iPhone specifically, yes, that's what you sold them. If they want suggestions and options, you provide and educate. If they DON'T want something and tell you why, then you don't push them right back into it. You share the benefits and how it will work towards their needs on the recommendation.

    HUGE difference.
    05-21-2012 07:37 PM
  25. massifheed's Avatar
    As you correctly quoted, I said AMBASSADOR, not salesman.
    I know, I agree with you. I was pointing out that we need to be careful that we don't start suggesting that WP is the answer to everyone's problems when, for some, it just isn't. Some posters here do act like WP salespeople. I wasn't talking about you, just using a line of yours to make a point.

    You did also say this though...

    I'd you want to recommend something else, Do it at AndroidCentral or any of the hundreds of iOS sites...none of which I know because I don't go there to preach Android or Windows.
    Recently it seems that people who recommend different OS's to other posters asking for advice seem to get set upon.
    05-22-2012 03:49 AM
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