05-25-2012 08:21 PM
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  1. neftv's Avatar
    Seems like Android is getting more hacks.
    http://www.crn.com/news/security/240...P+Q**.ecappj03

    I am glad I have a windows phone unless someone sees something simuliar to a windows phone from the above article. I know my Dell Venue Pro seems fairly secure seems like noone can fix the compass because they can't get into the registry to make one change. It seems to be locked up tight.

    Comments?
    05-22-2012 02:21 PM
  2. selfcreation's Avatar
    lol

    Android Mal ware capital of Mobile OS. :lol:

    one of the reasons I like MS and WP , sure it has ALLOT of security BS that blocks a bunch of things , but at lease we dont get hack on a day to day basis.
    05-22-2012 02:35 PM
  3. mprice86's Avatar
    It's only a matter of time really, no security is impregnable.

    Thing is that it's one area where a lower marketshare is useful; much like with Macs until the last few years; there's just not enough of them out there to make it worthwhile for hackers to bother putting the effort in.
    05-22-2012 02:41 PM
  4. Los's Avatar
    The funny part about this whole thing is that the average person associates malware and viruses with " Windows ", which makes them think Windows Phone is not secure. Many people are unaware of how different Windows Phone operates from Windows PC. Even customer service reps with no training have lied to customers assuming that. So most people don't know android is actually less secure and Windows Phone is a lot more secure than they assume
    05-22-2012 02:52 PM
  5. socialcarpet's Avatar
    It's only a matter of time really, no security is impregnable.

    Thing is that it's one area where a lower marketshare is useful; much like with Macs until the last few years; there's just not enough of them out there to make it worthwhile for hackers to bother putting the effort in.
    There's a little truth to that, but it's a bit of an overused pet excuse, particularly of Mac haters.

    Mac OS X is inherently more secure than Windows XP because of it's UNIX structure. Even when you do see a Mac exploit, it is never remotely close to the severity of the rampant crap you'd see on Windows XP. The worst thing I ever heard of was the Java exploit, and Oracle was as much to blame for that as Apple was.

    Now, Windows 7 is much more secure than XP was, so that gap has narrowed significantly. As long as you're not reckless and you use some kind of protection an average user can use Windows 7 and not wind up gummed up with malware.

    It's true that there are much fewer exploits attempted on less popular systems, but passive (OS architecture and policy based) and active security measures are just as, if nor more important.

    iOS is extremely popular, yet you virtually never hear about malware on the iPhone or iPad. It's definitely not due to a lack of popularity or people trying to exploit it. It's because of the "walled garden" that Android fans love to gripe about. By closing off key parts of the core OS and carefully curating the app store, Apple avoids this malware nonsense that plagues Android.

    Windows Phone had a similar approach. Microsoft deliberately followed Apples model of keeping much of the core of the OS under lock and key, carefully controlling the app market and applying strict security policies. Like Apple and unlike Google, Microsoft prioritizes the quality of the end user experience over leaving things wide open for any developer, OEM, carrier or malware author to crap all over.

    Windows Phone and iOS are NEVER going to have the type and number of security problems that Android does because of this.
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    05-22-2012 03:50 PM
  6. thed's Avatar
    Mac OS X is inherently more secure than Windows XP because of it's UNIX structure. Even when you do see a Mac exploit, it is never remotely close to the severity of the rampant crap you'd see on Windows XP. The worst thing I ever heard of was the Java exploit, and Oracle was as much to blame for that as Apple was.
    I disagree with this. Just because it's UNIX based doesn't mean it's more secure. There's a reason that Macs are often the first to crack in hacking contests. You're right that XP is less secure than Windows 7, but that's not the whole story. Apple has a pretty lax attitude about security, and they promote that attitude among their users.

    That Java exploit that you speak of affected every platform including Windows and Linux. But it only really spread among Macs because Apple chose not to release the fix until 45 days after the other platforms. And as a percentage of users infected it was huge (about 1%), more than Blaster or even Conficker.

    And really, if you're gonna let Apple off the hook because it was a Java exploit, then you should let MS off the hook for all the numerous exploits based on Flash, Java, Acrobat, etc. that have infected Windows over the years.
    05-22-2012 05:03 PM
  7. tekhna's Avatar
    Does anyone know if the WP7 SMS hack was ever fixed? That's the most hilarious, slightly apocalyptic bug I've ever heard of--someone texts you a string of digits, and it breaks your phone so badly you have to hard reset.

    Every ecosystem has malware and security exploits.
    As for OS X, I'm not actually sure it's more secure because of it's Unix underpinnings. Too many people are logged in as root when they shouldn't be.
    05-22-2012 06:52 PM
  8. Los's Avatar
    Does anyone know if the WP7 SMS hack was ever fixed? That's the most hilarious, slightly apocalyptic bug I've ever heard of--someone texts you a string of digits, and it breaks your phone so badly you have to hard reset.

    Every ecosystem has malware and security exploits.
    As for OS X, I'm not actually sure it's more secure because of it's Unix underpinnings. Too many people are logged in as root when they shouldn't be.
    It's fixed with Tango
    05-22-2012 06:57 PM
  9. eric12341's Avatar
    Does anyone know if the WP7 SMS hack was ever fixed? That's the most hilarious, slightly apocalyptic bug I've ever heard of--someone texts you a string of digits, and it breaks your phone so badly you have to hard reset.

    Every ecosystem has malware and security exploits.
    As for OS X, I'm not actually sure it's more secure because of it's Unix underpinnings. Too many people are logged in as root when they shouldn't be.
    Except no one knows the exact combination of letters and numbers to cause it. That's only one thing compared to the thousands that Android has. Troll harder.
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    05-22-2012 08:51 PM
  10. willied's Avatar
    There's a little truth to that, but it's a bit of an overused pet excuse, particularly of Mac haters.

    Mac OS X is inherently more secure than Windows XP because of it's UNIX structure. Even when you do see a Mac exploit, it is never remotely close to the severity of the rampant crap you'd see on Windows XP. The worst thing I ever heard of was the Java exploit, and Oracle was as much to blame for that as Apple was.

    Now, Windows 7 is much more secure than XP was, so that gap has narrowed significantly. As long as you're not reckless and you use some kind of protection an average user can use Windows 7 and not wind up gummed up with malware.
    That's not exactly the case.

    Is Windows 7 More Secure than Mac OS X? - ASP Free

    Security Expert: Windows 7 Is More Secure Than Mac OS X
    05-22-2012 09:02 PM
  11. Los's Avatar
    yep if you download apps from non legit places you can get malware on android, but this is also true of a jailbroken iphone...

    you guys are pretty sad you know.

    No one would bother writing malware for wp7 because even bada has a larger customer base LOL
    Well what's sad is android can't even trust their " OFFICIAL " app market. If they can't even trust their official app market, then what can you trust?

    At least with Windows Phone, Microsoft checks all apps for viruses and malware before they are published. We can trust our marketplace more than an android user can trust theirs. Your suppose to be able to trust that your downloading legit software from an official market. Just like how you can download anything from Xbox Live with confidence knowing nothing is going to happen to your Xbox
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    05-22-2012 09:09 PM
  12. fisci's Avatar
    Well what's sad is android can't even trust their " OFFICIAL " app market. If they can't even trust their official app market, then what can you trust?

    At least with Windows Phone, Microsoft checks all apps for viruses and malware before they are published. We can trust our marketplace more than an android user can trust theirs. Your suppose to be able to trust that your downloading legit software from an official market. Just like how you can download anything from Xbox Live with confidence knowing nothing is going to happen to your Xbox
    the ten apps you guys have are trustworthy?? lol

    this is blown wayyy out of proportion. there has been malware found on the ios ap store as well.

    It is a fact of being a major os.

    I guess when you're small potatoes it isn't a concern lol
    05-22-2012 09:18 PM
  13. Los's Avatar
    It must really bother if you feel the need to post here

    No matter what you say, if it was just people getting infected by apps coming from outside sources other than the official marketplace, then it wouldn't be a big deal cause you brought that upon yourself. But when the official marketplace is getting infected with malware and google is doing nothing, just letting it run wild, that's a problem

    I feel good knowing at least Microsoft takes it seriously and they do the best they can to keep all that out of the marketplace before it can even reach my device. Unlike google that only wants to take action when your device is already infected. You can down play it all you want but even you don't know what is going on with your phone right now. Everything is always all good until it effects you. So laugh now cause you'll be crying later
    05-22-2012 09:30 PM
  14. jimski's Avatar
    Hey djdtox, that's just another good reason to own a WP right now. Sounds like you are talking yourself into one. The beta test is over.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
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    05-22-2012 10:21 PM
  15. gregoron's Avatar
    yep if you download apps from non legit places you can get malware on android, but this is also true of a jailbroken iphone...

    you guys are pretty sad you know.

    No one would bother writing malware for wp7 because even bada has a larger customer base LOL
    No, it's not a matter of less market share. It's about more security. Android is more prone to malware because it has more holes to get into and nobody's doing the plugging.
    05-23-2012 04:52 AM
  16. fisci's Avatar
    It must really bother if you feel the need to post here

    No matter what you say, if it was just people getting infected by apps coming from outside sources other than the official marketplace, then it wouldn't be a big deal cause you brought that upon yourself. But when the official marketplace is getting infected with malware and google is doing nothing, just letting it run wild, that's a problem

    I feel good knowing at least Microsoft takes it seriously and they do the best they can to keep all that out of the marketplace before it can even reach my device. Unlike google that only wants to take action when your device is already infected. You can down play it all you want but even you don't know what is going on with your phone right now. Everything is always all good until it effects you. So laugh now cause you'll be crying later
    you ignored my pont that malware has als been found in the ios appstore... no os is 110% secure, sorry to burst your bubble.

    To the person who said the beta test was over, why is your os still basically a beta then wiith all its missing features lol?
    05-23-2012 05:09 AM
  17. AngryNil's Avatar
    To the person who said the beta test was over, why is your os still basically a beta then wiith all its missing features lol?
    Why do you type like you're IMing your fellow teen friend?

    I never knew that it was necessary to have every feature imaginable on the face of the earth in order to be considered as released. There are plenty of features and options that are readily available on Windows Phone that Android doesn't have. Your logic is beyond abominable.
    05-23-2012 05:24 AM
  18. fisci's Avatar
    Why do you type like you're IMing your fellow teen friend?

    I never knew that it was necessary to have every feature imaginable on the face of the earth in order to be considered as released. There are plenty of features and options that are readily available on Windows Phone that Android doesn't have. Your logic is beyond abominable.
    Oh really? Name one....

    Sorry but being able to change the volume seperately and hve a browser forward button are fairly large omissions.

    Yes, fellow teen friend.. More like a 29 year old electrical engineer. Wow, I said "lol"... Nice personal attack though, beats attacking my argument eh?
    05-23-2012 05:44 AM
  19. eric12341's Avatar
    Seems that the ban hammer needs to be used on a couple people.
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    05-23-2012 07:11 AM
  20. Verkunder's Avatar
    Oh really? Name one....

    Sorry but being able to change the volume seperately and hve a browser forward button are fairly large omissions.

    Yes, fellow teen friend.. More like a 29 year old electrical engineer. Wow, I said "lol"... Nice personal attack though, beats attacking my argument eh?
    Local Scout,
    Hardware Camera button that wakes the phone,
    Built in Facebook, Twitter, Live, LinkedIn,
    Bing Audio search,
    Word, Excel, Powerpoint,
    Xbox Live,
    Zune Pass...

    I'm sure other posters can chime in if needed. Those things you mentioned are minor, minor omissions. Hardly deal breaking.
    05-23-2012 07:12 AM
  21. smapor's Avatar
    I wonder if At&T or Verizon will sell antivirus packages with their cell service for Android and include a new malware kit for free.
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    05-23-2012 07:19 AM
  22. wolf1891's Avatar
    Oh really? Name one....

    Sorry but being able to change the volume seperately and hve a browser forward button are fairly large omissions.

    Yes, fellow teen friend.. More like a 29 year old electrical engineer. Wow, I said "lol"... Nice personal attack though, beats attacking my argument eh?
    why should we bother responding to your "argument" since you will just ignore anything that doesn't fit your view of things anyways and then continue spewing the same garbage regardless?

    I have a better solution... *adds djdtox to ignore list*
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    05-23-2012 09:32 AM
  23. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Does anyone know if the WP7 SMS hack was ever fixed? That's the most hilarious, slightly apocalyptic bug I've ever heard of--someone texts you a string of digits, and it breaks your phone so badly you have to hard reset.

    Every ecosystem has malware and security exploits.
    As for OS X, I'm not actually sure it's more secure because of it's Unix underpinnings. Too many people are logged in as root when they shouldn't be.
    The root user is disabled in Mac OS X by default, so no, the vast majority of people are NOT logged in as root.

    Enabling and using the "root" user in Mac OS X
    05-23-2012 11:15 AM
  24. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Note, I said Windows XP, not Windows 7.

    Windows 7 is much, much more secure than Windows XP and I'd say it's on par with Mac OS X now as far as how it's built. If anything, Microsoft is more aggressive than Apple at staying on top of this. They have to be because there are still many more threats to Windows out there.

    The net result is both are very secure, but Windows still has exponentially more threats in it's ecosystem than Mac OS X does. I think anyone can use Windows 7 now and feel secure as long as they aren't foolish. I would never say the same about Windows XP.
    05-23-2012 11:19 AM
  25. Forgewizard's Avatar
    You guys are funny! Comparing vulnerable OS's is rather like comparing a regular postal box to being susceptible to junk mail or the rural mailboxes to kids out bashing them at night!

    You got a box? You run the risk of suffering from either problem! Solution? Yeah a few: Toss the junk mail without reading it, shred it and use it in the bottom of the hamster cage, or for garden mulch. Protect the box from bashing by encasing it in concrete - or get a rubbermaid box (just about impervious to bashing but not uprooting). Or get a post office box!

    Solutions pretty similar to installing spyware, malware and antivirus security. There are always going to be jerks out there testing the locks on your vehicles, houses and bikes - you keep those things secure don't you? And you do know that there are certain areas of town ( and the web) that are more prone to a predominance of jerks right?

    If you are seeing MORE incidences in Android - could it be that it is simply because of the sheer NUMBERS of android devices out there? Its an exponential thing. Same as PC viruses on Windows - there are MORE windows PCs than Apple - so guess who gets affected more? Put on your thinking caps!

    Then again ther IS that "open source" approach - not EVERY one with the wherewithall to generate a program is guided by sweetness and light.... I'm certain there are some who are influenced by the "dark side" and some that are just curious to see what they can accomplish.For heaven's sake if every developer's "Bug", "crash", "endless loop" or "forced reboot" was seen as "malware" - then we'd all be stuck with simply what microsoft and apple doled out!

    Common sense folks, common sense use it!
    05-23-2012 11:25 AM
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