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  1. selfcreation's Avatar
    iOS is "5 times the OS" Android is? Aside from the nebulous nature of that statement, are you freaking kidding?
    never said ti was 5 times the phone.. i said i THINK,.. if your gona quote , quote properly.

    I still think Iphone is 5times the OS android is. (and i hate Iphone)
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 05-25-2012 at 02:22 PM.
    05-25-2012 02:12 PM
  2. AzD's Avatar
    never said ti was 5 times the phone.. i said i THINK,.. if your gona quote , quote properly.
    You're quite pedantic.
    05-25-2012 02:47 PM
  3. bear_lx's Avatar
    pedantic - pedantic/pəˈdantik/Adjective: Of or like a pedant.

    Synonyms: punctilious - donnish - priggish - meticulous

    nebulous - nebulous/ˈnebyələs/Adjective: 1.In the form of a cloud or haze; hazy.
    2.(of an idea) Unclear, vague, or ill-defined.

    just in case, those are big words ya know...
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    05-25-2012 03:12 PM
  4. selfcreation's Avatar
    You're quite pedantic.
    ok..:dry dam strait. there is a differences between an Opinion and a concrete fact. and that was just my opinion. I need to make sure people understand its a opinion and not a fact.

    just like the reason people buy specific cellphones, 99% of the time its a personal preference. not because one phone is better then an other . no phone is BETTER , its all about what is different about each individual OS that attracts people.

    and that sir , is MY opinion :)

    pedantic - pedantic/pəˈdantik/Adjective: Of or like a pedant.

    Synonyms: punctilious - donnish - priggish - meticulous

    nebulous - nebulous/ˈnebyələs/Adjective: 1.In the form of a cloud or haze; hazy.
    2.(of an idea) Unclear, vague, or ill-defined.

    just in case, those are big words ya know...
    LMAO! :giggle:
    05-25-2012 03:28 PM
  5. fisci's Avatar
    Actually Ipohne was the #1 OS even when they had exclusivity ( the first 3 years)

    Android has only been #1 for about 1 year (maybe 2 ) and they came out roughly at the same time as Iphone and on EVERY carrier( sints 2007) .. Android had a REALLY hard time the first 3-4 years cause no one like it , same thing as WP.

    WP is actually doing better then the first 2 years of Android.

    Iphone is just losing ground now cause they haven't been innovative sints 2007 and the fact that customers BLINDLY buy into specs so they go to Android and also NEW OS ( like WEBOS and WP was slwoly taking people OFF Iphone )

    WEBOS was a Iphone killer , very similar feel to it , ( I know its dead now but it did have a major impact on Iphone sales over the last 3 years )

    I still think Iphone is 5times the OS android is. ( and i hate Iphone lol )


    Key is: get a good establish clientele and a GOOD NAME BRANDING ( like Google / Android ) then start rolling out low end phones to attract more clientele.

    believe it or not but LOW end phoens for android do help sales , if Apple made Low end entry lvl smartphones they would sale allot . example of this I still sale Iphone 3gs! cause they are FREE!! compare the the cheapest Iphone 4s at 159'99.

    some people just don't care about BIG SPECS they just want a phone popular phone like their neighbors, kids or friends.

    but its true that low end Android phones do sale like hotcakes. here at BELL we sale more Low end Android then GS2 / Nexus / Notes etc.... cause most LOW END android phone DO NOT require a data plan , so they are good entry level phones for people looking to TRY a smartphone from a featured phone. but that's one carrier in one country. our of HUNDRED of countrys and carriers.
    This is not at all correct..

    Wp7 has about 2% of the market.

    Android had this beaten pretty much right away..

    You guys can make all the excuses and conjecture for why you "think" people buy into Android, but at best they are just laughable opinion with no basis of truth.

    People buy them, and keep buying them.
    05-25-2012 04:20 PM
  6. selfcreation's Avatar
    This is not at all correct..

    Wp7 has about 2% of the market.

    Android had this beaten pretty much right away..

    You guys can make all the excuses and conjecture for why you "think" people buy into Android, but at best they are just laughable opinion with no basis of truth.

    People buy them, and keep buying them.
    actually its not wrong....

    Research company Canalys estimated in Q2 2009( 2 years after launch of ANDROID!! ) that Android had a 2.8% share of worldwide smartphone shipments. By Q4 2010 (1year + later) this had grown to 33% of the market, becoming the top-selling smartphone platform.

    what does that all mean? it means that WP is actually doing BETTER then Android the first 2 years by about 1% of the market shares. the diff rents is that ANDROID had a BOOM of about 27% in the period of 1 year!

    so my statement was pretty darn close!!! ( it was and still is an estimates )

    and WP has 3-4% market share right now worldwide and growing every day! ( compare to Androids 2.8% the first 2 years )

    AND!

    aside from just telling us we are WRONG all the time , do you have an opinion? cause id MUCH RATHER read your opinion on the SUBJECT aside from you telling us are reasons are laughable. :dry

    our opinion might be *laughable* but at lease we have one!
    Last edited by Se1fcr3ation; 05-25-2012 at 04:45 PM.
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    05-25-2012 04:31 PM
  7. 12Danny123's Avatar
    This is not at all correct..

    Wp7 has about 2% of the market.

    Android had this beaten pretty much right away..

    You guys can make all the excuses and conjecture for why you "think" people buy into Android, but at best they are just laughable opinion with no basis of truth.

    People buy them, and keep buying them.
    Just go away u fat hippo . Nobody cares what you say. I don't get why you're even here and trolling this site. We moved on and you can't force us to use android. What do you do here go on the computer and troll this site while you're reject? I think so.
    05-25-2012 04:50 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Well, the bigger problem is there are more "power users" on the Internet discussing smart phones, so they all run in a big circle-jerk thinking their opinions are the only ones that matter.

    You're 100% right in the fact that MOST people don't care about a lot of what is discussed on tech blogs. Most don't compare specs and don't give a crap about technical jargon. What they do is go to a store, they play with a few phones, they look for a design that catches their eye, and they buy it.
    _____

    Thoughts on why WP7 hasn't caught on yet...

    The iPhone was first to market, so it established a strong user base, and it didn't hurt that it was a strong product at a time where there were no real alternatives (except Blackberry, but bleh). The iPhone reminds me a lot of the Xbox 360 when it launched.

    Android caught on simply because the phones were CHEAP. There are MILLIONS of people around the world who wanted iPhones but didn't want to pay the $199 entry fee, which seemed like a luxury in 2007/2008. People weren't used to paying more than $50 for a phone upgrade. So when Android came out, and it was pushing phones that were "cheap" compared to iPhone, people adopted the platform, regardless of how inefficient it was.

    WP7 is behind, not only because some people are already invested in the Apple/Android ecosystems and don't want their money in apps to "go to waste", but also because WP7 hasn't established an "identity".

    What is WP7? Apple is the system that "just works" but is expensive. Android is the system that is more "technical", but cheaper. WP7 is trying to be "just works" and "cheaper", and they have to push that message more. They TRIED with the "get in get out get on with your life" campaign, but they forgot to mention their phones are CHEAPER.

    I'd like to see Microsoft's marketing message become a little more clear - and its started with the Lumia 900 stuff. They need to keep pushing the message of "best of both worlds" idea - its going to be HARD to get people to leave iOS, but I'm convinced you can get people off Android, because Android is really a frustrating experience.
    iPhone was the first to market? Sorry dude, but you need a history lesson. Long before there was an iPhone there were Treos. They were the granddaddy of all current smartphones because they took a Palm Pilot and put a phone on it. No other OS could touch Palm OS when it came to PIM or any other enterprise function, at that time. Palm's first mistake was to not put a wi-fi radio or a GPS into the Treos until the Sprint Treo 800w. iPhone never quite caught on with "power users" because it lacked cut & paste until recently, a common *****ing point for the early WP7 phones (imagine that).
    05-25-2012 04:56 PM
  9. tekhna's Avatar
    actually its not wrong....

    Research company Canalys estimated in Q2 2009( 2 years after launch of ANDROID!! ) that Android had a 2.8% share of worldwide smartphone shipments. By Q4 2010 (1year + later) this had grown to 33% of the market, becoming the top-selling smartphone platform.

    what does that all mean? it means that WP is actually doing BETTER then Android the first 2 years by about 1% of the market shares. the diff rents is that ANDROID had a BOOM of about 27% in the period of 1 year!

    so my statement was pretty darn close!!! ( it was and still is an estimates )

    and WP has 3-4% market share right now worldwide and growing every day! ( compare to Androids 2.8% the first 2 years )

    AND!

    aside from just telling us we are WRONG all the time , do you have an opinion? cause id MUCH RATHER read your opinion on the SUBJECT aside from you telling us are reasons are laughable. :dry

    our opinion might be *laughable* but at lease we have one!
    That's incredibly disingenuous, if not wrong, to compare Android's growth for the first two years to WP's growth in two years. Totally different markets, totally different software. In 2008 Sprint was still releasing garbage like the Samsung Instinct and claiming it was an "iPhone competitor" when it was patently obvious at the time it couldn't compete with anything other than itself for the title of worst phone ever.

    Android wasn't 1.0 until late 2008, so to say that's two years after the launch of Android is absurd. The fact is that Android was basically garbage until 2.2 (2010) and it's still kicked the living crap out of WP7, which was also released in 2010.
    05-25-2012 04:58 PM
  10. selfcreation's Avatar
    The fact is that Android was basically garbage until 2.2 (2010)
    so because it was garbag I cant compare it? LOL! hows that for * incredibly disingenuous*
    It was getting its A** KICKED by Iphone / BB / WM

    WP has been out for less then 2 years ( gonna be 2 years in October) and IS growing faster ,

    it IS THE same market and I CAN compare it... Because its a smartphones ( they have not really added more function. ( sure they added a ANIMATED background an Facebook chat . WOOT ).... I could do MORE on WINDOW MOBILE then on WINDOWS PHONE .and they have like 5 years + diffrents in age!!! .. and people still compare them both .. you gona tell me they all wrong? and that they are different markets?

    and obviously you cant compare the Samsung Instinct to the Iphone that was just a MARKETING SCAM like callign HSPA 4G when its 3G. ( the Instinct is NOT even a smartphone )
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  11. tekhna's Avatar
    so because it was garbag I cant compare it? LOL! hows that for * incredibly disingenuous*
    It was getting its A** KICKED by Iphone / BB / WM

    obviously you cant compare the Samsung Instinct to the Iphone that was just a MARKETING SCAM like callign HSPA 4G when its 3G. ( the Instinct is NOT even a smartphone )
    What's disingenuous is you claiming that Q2 2009 is two years after the launch of Android. It's just not true. Android launched Q3 2008. So if you need a two-year comparison, compare to Q3 2010.
    Which gives us...

    The Android mobile operating system from Google Inc. (US:goog) saw its share of the global smartphone market soar in the third quarter, according to a report Wednesday from Gartner Inc. According to the report, Android ended the quarter with 25.5% of the smartphone market -- up from 3.5% at the same period last year.

    Edit: Let me put it differently--it's been 6 quarters since WP7 launched. They're sitting at 2.8% marketshare. 6 quarters after Android launched, Q1 2010, if my terrible counting is correct, Android sat at 20% or so (can't find good numbers)
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    05-25-2012 05:23 PM
  12. selfcreation's Avatar
    Ok fine Android DID do better the first couple years but obviously they had allot less fierce competition. and they only did better by a few %%

    lets take a look.

    - First Android phone ever released: HTC Dream October 2008
    - 5.2% in November 2009 one year later ( 13monts)

    - WP came out october 2010.
    - 16months later we are at are at 3-4% of the shares.

    now in a 3 months differences android is up on us by 1-2% ( give or take )
    and 3 -4years later they are the number ONE with over 60%+++

    so how did they go from 5% shares to 60% shares.. and why couldn't WP...

    now Obviously they had less competition back then so it was ALLOT easier for them to grow compared to today market. ( that our WP is in )

    But I have Faith that WP8 will help GROW the OS with some crazy innovation and one of, if not THE BEST ecosystem out there and probably get by the Iphone in 3-4 years time

    specially with the Iphone and RIM slowly losing traction.
    05-25-2012 05:39 PM
  13. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    One major problem is going to be the customers “relationship”. To compare it to a bank, this is key. Each bank tries to build what they call relationships, which to the bank is getting the customer to open and transfer as many accounts to them. They hope, and it’s true, that if a customer has numerous accounts with them it is less likely they will leave, even if they have issues with the bank.

    Now, customers of the iphone and Android have a relationship already built up. Apps, email accounts, profiles…etc. It is difficult for many to change all of that, and to most, it is not worth it.
    05-25-2012 05:58 PM
  14. fisci's Avatar
    What's disingenuous is you claiming that Q2 2009 is two years after the launch of Android. It's just not true. Android launched Q3 2008. So if you need a two-year comparison, compare to Q3 2010.
    Which gives us...

    The Android mobile operating system from Google Inc. (US:goog) saw its share of the global smartphone market soar in the third quarter, according to a report Wednesday from Gartner Inc. According to the report, Android ended the quarter with 25.5% of the smartphone market -- up from 3.5% at the same period last year.

    Edit: Let me put it differently--it's been 6 quarters since WP7 launched. They're sitting at 2.8% marketshare. 6 quarters after Android launched, Q1 2010, if my terrible counting is correct, Android sat at 20% or so (can't find good numbers)
    #pwned

    Lol

    Good post man, you're one of the only logical people I've encountered on here
    05-25-2012 06:45 PM
  15. tekhna's Avatar
    #pwned

    Lol

    Good post man, you're one of the only logical people I've encountered on here
    Meh, I just don't like fanboys of any stripe, be they Android, iOS, WP, Symbian or WebOS. I joined this forum hoping for a Lumia on Verizon, but that's obviously not happening for a while, and I'll be getting a new phone next month to keep my unlimited data, so I'll probably bow out of this forum.
    Sorry to leave you with no logic in that case! ;)

    I honestly think WP will be fine though, unless Microsoft prematurely spikes it.
    I think support for Android is softer than it looks despite the enormous marketshare--people have reservations, and they may not be locked in yet. As I said before though, I think a 4" LTE iPhone 5 could demolish everything in sight. That's a scary proposition for both Android and WP.
    05-25-2012 07:37 PM
  16. Zumanity's Avatar
    Is it even fair to compare Android sales to WP?

    When the Android launched, it was the best contender to an alternative iPhone smartphone style. The app grid icons were there, the features, and it had a iPhone "like" feeling to it. There was no other system like that, so it makes sense for it's market share to jump up so quickly. Not everyone could afford the iPhone lifestyle.

    It's very true that the Andorid sales in it's first two years totally beat (or will beat) WP. The causer however can't be compared as Android was the only alternative in it's first years, while WP has to contend with Android and iOS. It's very hard to sell your platform when you have two giants already well established.

    Mindshare is something that can be measured, but not with precision as sales can. Microsoft has to overcome the mindshare that Android and iOS have on the U.S market.
    05-25-2012 07:46 PM
  17. scottcraft's Avatar
    As far as I'm concerned the main obstacle that has been in the path of WP growth has been sales reps. So many people shopping for phones don't do any research so whatever the rep says it what they buy. Now AT&T is pushing the Lumia so I expect it to do well. With WP 8 some of the buzz words like dual-core, LTE and high resolution screen will apply so more reps should push them. It's taking a while to build up steam but by this time next year WP will be doing a lot better than it is now.
    05-25-2012 10:33 PM
  18. AngryNil's Avatar
    Thread title:
    Why WP has such slow growth
    The truth:
    I can only speak for myself.
    Also, since tekhna and others are running rampant again - stop comparing Android and Windows Phone, there are a million problems with arguing either side. Every comparison has its pitfalls but Android vs Windows Phone is one that truly makes me facepalm - used so frequently yet so wrong.

    There is no merit to saying one platform is better, more suited, etc. due to adoption. They launched in different time periods with different levels of support, different goals and different feature-sets, from companies with different public perceptions. That goes both ways, Windows Phone is not better than Android because it sold more in the first six months and Android isn't better because it's selling more later in its life.
    Last edited by AngryNil; 05-26-2012 at 12:02 AM.
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  19. lippidp's Avatar
    I keep popping farts on my cat and she doesn't bother to get up and leave. I think I've made my point here.
    05-26-2012 12:05 AM
  20. JD Miles's Avatar
    As far as I'm concerned the main obstacle that has been in the path of WP growth has been sales reps. So many people shopping for phones don't do any research so whatever the rep says it what they buy. Now AT&T is pushing the Lumia so I expect it to do well. With WP 8 some of the buzz words like dual-core, LTE and high resolution screen will apply so more reps should push them. It's taking a while to build up steam but by this time next year WP will be doing a lot better than it is now.
    that hits the nail right on the head I went to multiple AT&T stores and got the opinon from the reps I was all but nuts when I continued to "insist" I wanted to go with the Focus WP7 and each thought I should re-think any interest in WP7 and depending on their personal choice I shoud get an I-phone or android whatever glad I was insistent
    05-26-2012 01:56 AM
  21. N8ter's Avatar
    Is it even fair to compare Android sales to WP?

    When the Android launched, it was the best contender to an alternative iPhone smartphone style. The app grid icons were there, the features, and it had a iPhone "like" feeling to it. There was no other system like that, so it makes sense for it's market share to jump up so quickly. Not everyone could afford the iPhone lifestyle.

    It's very true that the Andorid sales in it's first two years totally beat (or will beat) WP. The causer however can't be compared as Android was the only alternative in it's first years, while WP has to contend with Android and iOS. It's very hard to sell your platform when you have two giants already well established.

    Mindshare is something that can be measured, but not with precision as sales can. Microsoft has to overcome the mindshare that Android and iOS have on the U.S market.
    When Android launched the OS wasn't even that good, and it was reviewed as such. An HTC Sense WM 6.5 device like the HD2 was clearly superior to something like the G1 - easily, even the Droid wasn't much better than it, if at all.

    WP7 has low traction because Microsoft was late and they're still stuck in 2010 or before. 2010 for the hardware their OS runs on. Before for the functionality the OS provides since it's still missing some features you can get from a feature phone and that most people would expect from any smartphone.

    The perception of an OS that functions like something from years ago running on hardware from years ago is strong and negative. When people buy a new phone, they want just that - New. Android provides that, and so does Apple when they launch their new phones. They give you advances in hardware beyond what they had in their devices prior to that date and in the case of google they iterate on their platform at such a pace that it's almost impossible (at this point) for WP7 to even catch up to them from a functionality perspective (maybe Apollo will change that, maybe not, but the damage that has been done is done and you can't rewrite history).

    They should have worked a bit harder to launch the platform earlier. Launching after the iPHone 4 and Galaxy S (nevermind HTC's high end devices - they were on a roll back then) really hurt them. It literally gave them table scraps for people to sell to.

    They are launching some nice LOOKING phones these days (Lumia 800/900, Titan II, etc.), but the hardware in the phones is not really much different from what is in T-Mobile's mid-range Mango devices.

    In fact it's a bit ironic that people rave about those devices yet there was a ton of "lulz" threads on the forums when Apple launched the i4S "refresh" device, which actually has over a year of technology advancement in it while WP7 devices moved up in like 3 months of tech time from Launch to Mango, starting a year+ behind the competition hardware-wise.

    Microsoft did themselves no favors with the hardware restrictions and playing favorites with their OEM partners (holding back HTC/Samsung so Nokia can succeed in the WP7 ecosystem on design while using terrible internals compared to Apple/Android high end devices, for example). Play favorites after you get the ball rolling. They held themselves back by going the route they did and I doubt the user experience would have suffered much.

    Those excuses they used were used by apple but unlike iOS WP7 users have like 5+ different "high end" phones to choose out of, not just 1 top end iPhone. It was a bad decision, IMO.

    As far as I'm concerned the main obstacle that has been in the path of WP growth has been sales reps. So many people shopping for phones don't do any research so whatever the rep says it what they buy. Now AT&T is pushing the Lumia so I expect it to do well. With WP 8 some of the buzz words like dual-core, LTE and high resolution screen will apply so more reps should push them. It's taking a while to build up steam but by this time next year WP will be doing a lot better than it is now.
    Well times have changed. Now the buzz words are Quad Core, LTE, and things like WiFi Direct, BT 4.0, AppleTV-type devices to stream media wirelessly to your TV... Stuff like that.

    They need to skip a generation. Their currect hardware is 2010 level, going to Dual Core won't cut it, unless they're doing that for mid-range devices. All new Android devices are going ot be Quad Core except for the purpose of LTE support (which should start making it into Quad Core SoCs soon enough).

    Carriers like T-Mobile and Sprint won't have decent LTE Coverage (or none at all) for another year or so so that won't work too well on them. I wonder if T-Mobile and Sprint will launch high end Apollo devices, though...
    Last edited by N8ter; 05-26-2012 at 03:10 AM.
    05-26-2012 02:53 AM
  22. cckgz4's Avatar
    You have to be a bit naive to not believe that availability did not play a part in Android's growth. Boost Mobile, Cricket, US Cellular, Virgin Mobile, T-Mobile and Prepaid, AT&T and prepaid, Sprint, Verizon Wireless, Straight Talk, etc. had Android devices ranging from every price point imaginable around 2009-2010. Yes the OG Droid and VZW's marketing kicked off the race, and arguably yes the OG Droid wasn't cheap nor the OG Evo (which was also popular), the top tier Android handsets did not make up the bulk of sales. Contributed, yes (look at Samsung alone and the Galaxy line) but not solely. The everyday people I see (work in a restaurant where I see over a 100 people a day) either wield an iPhone or for the most part, a low end Android device or a dated one. The teens are the ones I see getting the "top tier now" devices (co-worker has a Razr) but that's it. And I think I've only seen 3 people with a Windows Phone and more people using Blackberry than WP. This topic needs to be locked and burned for obvious reasons
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    05-26-2012 06:12 AM
  23. scottcraft's Avatar



    Well times have changed. Now the buzz words are Quad Core, LTE, and things like WiFi Direct, BT 4.0, AppleTV-type devices to stream media wirelessly to your TV... Stuff like that.

    They need to skip a generation. Their currect hardware is 2010 level, going to Dual Core won't cut it, unless they're doing that for mid-range devices. All new Android devices are going ot be Quad Core except for the purpose of LTE support (which should start making it into Quad Core SoCs soon enough).

    Carriers like T-Mobile and Sprint won't have decent LTE Coverage (or none at all) for another year or so so that won't work too well on them. I wonder if T-Mobile and Sprint will launch high end Apollo devices, though...
    Exactly which android phones in the US are going to be quad core? The Galaxy S3 for the US is going to be dual core and the HTC One series is dual core in the US. Don't get me wrong, android does push hardware limits more than any other platform, but that means little to those buying free or near free android phones. Do you really think sales reps have little to do with the phone people buy? Sure most on internet forums are educated about devices, but so many aren't, so they are easily swayed by what they are told in the store. I understand WP has some features missing that I would like them to have and are obviously extremely important to you, but other than that the platform does have a good user experience that people can enjoy.
    05-26-2012 02:31 PM
  24. boneycat's Avatar
    Most of the people I know who own a droid phone don't even know how to use it. They just wanted a "smartphone" and the salespeople point them towards the droids. I'm not talking about the kids that buy it, but the older generation, like my parents who can't even figure out how to embed a picture into a text. The thing I hate about droid phones is that each minor update to the OS requires a brand new phone with newer hardware to run it. There must be a half dozen or so OS's out there as we speak. You don't know if the hardware on your current phone will run the next dessert named update that will be out next month. So pardon my ignorance or naivety on why Droid phones control so much of the market.
    05-26-2012 02:43 PM
  25. Los's Avatar
    It seems like a lot of people here still have trouble understanding Microsoft new model with Windows Phone. It's not about specs, it's about the end user experience. They are never going to offer phones completely different than others in a 2 year span. The purpose of these specs is for the same experience across all phones

    Why do you think after almost 2 years Microsoft is still able to provide updates to all Windows Phones? cause of the requirement they set for specs. Just cause they offer choice with phones doesn't mean they are going to make phones dramatically different than others in specs just to win the spec war. It's not about that. So expect all Windows Phone 8 phones to all be similar to each other for at least 2 years again. Why? cause Microsoft understand people are stuck on 2 year contracts, so they want to be able to support your phone for at least 2 years. That would be impossible with android's model. name 1 android phone from 2 years ago still getting updates?

    Windows Phone was meant to be more like the iphone. Set a certain spec for a certain period of time to reduce fragmentation, and to have the same experience across all phones, no matter which phone you get. If you want super phones every 3 months, go with android, then cry when you can't get a certain update cause your phone doesn't have 8 cores, and the phone you bought 6 months ago only has 4 cores

    So for people thinking MS is going to magically just start offering super phones just to keep up with the spec war, it's never going to happen. Expect the same for Windows Phone 8, a set standard for specs for another 2 years so they can continue to support your phone for that period of time and make sure the experience is the same across the board, unlike android where the experience is different with every device. Look at how many phone don't have ICS. Do you want Windows Phone to become like that? I don't

    so let's just be happy with the end user experience we have. Microsoft knows what they are doing. What kills me is a lot of you already mad about the so called Nokia fragmentation but are quick to support phones with dramatically higher specs that cause even more serious fragmentation. smh
    Last edited by Los; 05-26-2012 at 04:00 PM.
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