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  1. N8ter's Avatar
    I have recently purchased a HTC One X (Tegra 3 version). All I can say is WP7 murders Android. My old HD7 is faster at web browsing, better GPS (4 hours navigation vs 2 hours on the One X). Couple this with the fact that you can buy a WP7 device and not download any apps and still have an extremely usable OS. I've had to spend nearly $100 on apps and my One X still doesn't have all the functionality of my old HD7. I could give many examples but my post would be ignored :)
    You're either really trying to stretch things, or you're outright lying.

    There is very little if anything that a stock HD7 can do that a One X can't do. Almost all oif HTC's apps for the HD7 are built-in to the One X. Photo Enhancer, Sound Enhancer, Watch, Connected Media, Locations, etc. are all there. Obviously Google's services are integrated either via the base OS or with their apps - including Drive/Picasa (Gallery/Share Integration), YouTube, Gmail, etc.

    HTC Sense integrates with Facebook and Twitter via FriendStream since 2009.

    The Camera on the HTC One X alone is enough to buy it over the HD7, and it has better battery life.

    And as for performance I did try both the One X and the Vivid and they both actually (from a usability perspective) were as smooth as any Windows Phone.

    However, I'm really curious as to how you think the Stock build on the One X (or Vivid, or even most Sense 3.0/3.5 devices) lacks stock features compared to WP7. It doesn't, unless you're crying cause you want to use Microsoft services on a Google device?

    Maybe I'll do a comparison video review of the two once I get mine and upload it to YouTube.
    05-30-2012 11:13 AM
  2. N8ter's Avatar
    I typed a long response but then I decided it really doesn't matter. WP doesn't seem to work for you and that's perfectly ok. You have to find what you like and obviously WP isn't it. Hope you find something that you are satisfied with.
    I had a huge response and replaced it with that shorter one. Glad we agree on something.
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    05-30-2012 11:17 AM
  3. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    Would you be able to shoot a video of this? I sincerely doubt the HD7 can render pages faster than the One X, even with the less-than-stellar stock Android browser. If it is the case, might want to give Chrome a shot.
    I actually wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

    Smartphones have become largely overpowered when it comes to web browsing. (It's like how a computer with an i7 won't load a page faster than one with a Core 2 Duo.) While the One X has the extra ooomph, it's largely irrelevant. My phone actually loads webpages faster than my computer some times.

    The One X probably does a host of things faster than the HD7; but, faster web browsing has rarely been one of the new praises for the new "superphones". Many tech blogs even skip the entire what-not about fluidity at this point and dive straight to the benchmarking.

    (Do note that I'm not attacking cutting edge specs. The new SoCs are more battery efficient and good for other things, like playing games or intensive apps. They're just not particularly good for speeding up your web browsing. It's like arguing which phone can make a faster 2G phone call at this point.)



    EDIT: At this point, I would like to point out that it irks me how some tech enthusiasts, especially Android users (but even most WP users), are completely disillusioned with the capability of specs. When a new, faster phone comes out, some users automatically start assuming that the old phone has trouble doing many things it did perfectly before when nothing about the phone has changed!

    For example, one Android fan told me that Windows Phones such as the HTC Titan could not multitask due to hardware limitations. I quickly pointed out how ridiculous that statement was considering that the Nexus S and HTC HD2 are two of the most popular modding devices and multitask just fine.

    The most annoying part about these comments is that many of these people actually owned the old device they are bashing and experienced how it worked. Just because a faster phone comes out doesn't make your old phone any slower!
    Last edited by Sentimentgx4; 05-30-2012 at 11:38 AM.
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    05-30-2012 11:19 AM
  4. N8ter's Avatar
    Faster web browsing has almost always been one of the new praises of new super phones. It's not just about the HTML rendering, it's also about Java Script execution and that's one areas where HTC's ICS browser is superior to IE9 mobile. With HTML5 growing in use (esp for mobile sites), the JS engine and SoC in the phones are big factors for web browsing.

    Also hard to test the speed when one is loading full pages with Flash enabled and the other doesn't have flash. The only way to see is to do it yourself or see a video. I did go into the AT&T store with my HD7 to look at phones. All of their ICS devices (which are HTC dual core devices here) exibited faster web browsing than the HD7.

    The One X is also a HSPA+/LTE device (depending on region) while the HD7 is simply HSPA, so that can throw off comparisons as well (unless done only on WiFi).

    But to be quite honest, I don't tend to "browse" the web much on my smartphones. I access services and content through apps 95% of the time.
    05-30-2012 11:33 AM
  5. scottcraft's Avatar
    I would expect a newer dual-core android phone with ics to load web pages faster than my trophy. I played with a galaxy nexus in the Verizon store and it was faster than my phone. I didn't have a chance to try both phones on wifi but I think the result would still be the same.
    05-30-2012 01:08 PM
  6. N8ter's Avatar
    The most annoying part about these comments is that many of these people actually owned the old device they are bashing and experienced how it worked. Just because a faster phone comes out doesn't make your old phone any slower!
    HW isn't just about speed.

    And the reason why the HD7 can be used as a decent example for most things is cause there isn't really much of a performance difference between it and Mango devices, since the Hardware didn't receive a huge upgrade in those devices and the software is identical barring OEM/Carrier Apps (all uninstallable) and camera interface customization.

    What you're complaining about works better vs. Android since OEMs love to leave older devices behind to carrot people into upgrading their phones often. Microsoft took a totally different approach and while it's actually good for the consumer it's not really all that great for sales since many people don't feel the need to upgrade their devices. I can see some people using an HD7 for 3 years if it gets any type of WP8 upgrade.

    I think the reason microsoft would potentially leave the older devices back is precicely to force people to upgrade to newer devices - not only for the sake of upping sales, but for the sake of making third party developers' jobs easier.

    Cause newer games optimized for better hardware will definitely not run as well on those old devices.

    No, it doesn't make your device run any slower. One GHz at whatever efficiency the device exhibits will continue to be that as long as it runs. But compared to what's coming out these days (multi-cores where just one core can outperform the entire SoC in any Windows Phone), they're getting comparatively slower if you take the average among high end smartphones.

    6 month old Android high end devices are commodity now. AT&T has Vivids for $49 on contract ($9.99 if you order on the web site). It is extremely hard to compete with that. All the AT&T stores here are sold out of them. I have to drive 50 miles later to get one and had to beg the manager at that store to hold it for me because of how well they're selling (probably boosted by the fact that it just got the ICS OTA).
    05-30-2012 01:24 PM
  7. Fleon's Avatar
    There is a difference between recommending to someone and giving an opinion. Anybody who asks me I'll tell them that I really like WP7, but I I'll also tell them to check it out for themselves. Everybody has different needs and wants so what works for me may be overkill for someone else, or vice-versa. Waiting for the fall is definitely the best advice since we'll all be able to see what's out there.
    Quite right on that distinction. But now, the platform has matured enough that I have recommended it to quite a few. Admittedly, I don't think it's the platform for everyone- some people have particular needs that WP7 doesn't fit. But overall, everyone except one person who's gotten WP7 on my suggestion has really liked it. The other person had a very significant need for Google Voice and Street View that came up later.
    05-30-2012 03:05 PM
  8. Fleon's Avatar
    AntennaGate
    iOS Users waned their Notification system forever
    They complained about the lack of Multi-Tasking
    What about iOS5 battery life issues - that was patched fast, after much revolt

    Sorry, but they're quite vocal about issues in their OS and its shortcomings.
    Vocal doesn't mean they won't buy it- which is the only indicator of the acceptance factor for shortcomings that really matters. Hey, have you watched the recent interview with Tim Cook? You would like it- talks about some of the things you've been posting.
    05-30-2012 03:08 PM
  9. N8ter's Avatar
    Vocal doesn't mean they won't buy it- which is the only indicator of the acceptance factor for shortcomings that really matters. Hey, have you watched the recent interview with Tim Cook? You would like it- talks about some of the things you've been posting.
    There are other reasons why people continue to buy iPhones. For one, if you have a bunch of Macs and other Apple devices (iPad, iTouch, AppleTV) then it makes sense to go with Apple over something like WP7 or even Android. Their devices integrate better than any other manufacturer's products on the market right now.

    Secondly, a lot of people have a lot of money tied into Apple's ecosystem. Some people have been with iOS since the beginning and have hundreds of dollars tied up in Apps. They aren't going to pay $2-600 for a different phone to pay $1-300 more rebuying apps that they have on iOS - if they even exist.

    Thirdly, while Apple does have issues, they excelled in places where other devices didn't. Their Retina screen was better than anything else on the market back then (including Samsung's PenTile sAMOLED screens), they had one of the best smartphone cameras on the market, and as a PMP the iPhone is superior to almost any other device on the market by virtue of it being basically an iTouch with a cell radio, etc.

    I haven't even touched on all the docks and other accessories that would go to waste if people were to switch off that device if they've invested in that.

    Additionally, while they're vocal about Apple's issues, Apple has typically responded swiftly to them - especially software issues. They issue patches quickly and their customers don't have to deal with the Carrier hoopla that other platforms impose here in the States.

    I've already seen that interview. Microsoft has the same types of customers. Google as well. Even Palm had some fanatical customers who would buy anything they put out there. Apple has just tended to farm a larger core user base than other companies. Good for them.
    05-30-2012 11:16 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    There are other reasons why people continue to buy iPhones. For one, if you have a bunch of Macs and other Apple devices (iPad, iTouch, AppleTV) then it makes sense to go with Apple over something like WP7 or even Android. Their devices integrate better than any other manufacturer's products on the market right now.

    Secondly, a lot of people have a lot of money tied into Apple's ecosystem. Some people have been with iOS since the beginning and have hundreds of dollars tied up in Apps. They aren't going to pay $2-600 for a different phone to pay $1-300 more rebuying apps that they have on iOS - if they even exist.

    Thirdly, while Apple does have issues, they excelled in places where other devices didn't. Their Retina screen was better than anything else on the market back then (including Samsung's PenTile sAMOLED screens), they had one of the best smartphone cameras on the market, and as a PMP the iPhone is superior to almost any other device on the market by virtue of it being basically an iTouch with a cell radio, etc.

    I haven't even touched on all the docks and other accessories that would go to waste if people were to switch off that device if they've invested in that.

    Additionally, while they're vocal about Apple's issues, Apple has typically responded swiftly to them - especially software issues. They issue patches quickly and their customers don't have to deal with the Carrier hoopla that other platforms impose here in the States.

    I've already seen that interview. Microsoft has the same types of customers. Google as well. Even Palm had some fanatical customers who would buy anything they put out there. Apple has just tended to farm a larger core user base than other companies. Good for them.
    Palm had "fanatical" customers because their OS was, at the time, superior to everything, iOS included. It was the only mobile OS that could sync with Windows or OSX without 3rd party software. Still is. Their PIM was, and is, light years ahead. I sorely miss the "reply with text" option when on a phone call. Unfortunately, Palm didn't keep up with the Joneses when it came to specs or features. No 3G, wi-fi or GPS on OS 5.4.9 and Bluetooth was a middling 1.2. Did I mention that your iOS integration statement was severely flawed? Even Windows Mobile was better integrated than iOS. If you're referring to the current crop of phones, there's room for debate.
    05-31-2012 10:18 AM
  11. N8ter's Avatar
    Palm had "fanatical" customers because their OS was, at the time, superior to everything, iOS included. It was the only mobile OS that could sync with Windows or OSX without 3rd party software. Still is. Their PIM was, and is, light years ahead. I sorely miss the "reply with text" option when on a phone call. Unfortunately, Palm didn't keep up with the Joneses when it came to specs or features. No 3G, wi-fi or GPS on OS 5.4.9 and Bluetooth was a middling 1.2. Did I mention that your iOS integration statement was severely flawed? Even Windows Mobile was better integrated than iOS. If you're referring to the current crop of phones, there's room for debate.
    No, your reading comprehension is just failing you.

    I said Apple has superior integration across their product lines than other platforms. That's why I said people with other Apple products (iMac, MacBook, iPhone, iTouch, AppleTV, etc.) tend to buy other iOS devices.

    Look, it's pretty simple:

    For one, if you have a bunch of Macs and other Apple devices (iPad, iTouch, AppleTV) then it makes sense to go with Apple over something like WP7 or even Android. Their devices integrate better than any other manufacturer's products on the market right now.
    Windows Mobile couldn't even access Zune services, and had literally no XBL support. Microsoft service integration on Windows Mobile was bare at best, and there wasn't really much in Windows on the Desktop. All it had was a Sync Client, which iTunes also provides for iOS devices (including synching Outlook Data). I wouldn't say it was any better integrated with Windows than the average iDevice back then (and certainly isn't now), but iDevices are clearly superior to competing products when it comes to integrating with Macs and other Apple devices and the software on their computers.

    What I wrote was pretty clear... Apple's devices have better integration than other manufacturer's devices. That's a driving force for people to invest further into their ecosystem than competing manufacturers who only loosely integrate their products.

    Microsoft knows this. That is why they're tying Windows Live into everything (starting with XB360, then their mobile platform with Windows desktop/tablet to follow).
    Last edited by N8ter; 05-31-2012 at 12:16 PM.
    05-31-2012 12:10 PM
  12. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    No, your reading comprehension is just failing you.

    I said Apple has superior integration across their product lines than other platforms. That's why I said people with other Apple products (iMac, MacBook, iPhone, iTouch, AppleTV, etc.) tend to buy other iOS devices.

    Look, it's pretty simple:



    Windows Mobile couldn't even access Zune services, and had literally no XBL support. Microsoft service integration on Windows Mobile was bare at best, and there wasn't really much in Windows on the Desktop. All it had was a Sync Client, which iTunes also provides for iOS devices (including synching Outlook Data). I wouldn't say it was any better integrated with Windows than the average iDevice back then (and certainly isn't now), but iDevices are clearly superior to competing products when it comes to integrating with Macs and other Apple devices and the software on their computers.

    What I wrote was pretty clear... Apple's devices have better integration than other manufacturer's devices. That's a driving force for people to invest further into their ecosystem than competing manufacturers who only loosely integrate their products.

    Microsoft knows this. That is why they're tying Windows Live into everything (starting with XB360, then their mobile platform with Windows desktop/tablet to follow).
    u know... i might have agreed with you if itune didn't fail me so many times... the only thing that really integrated well was probably airplay, other than that i don't see what is so great having all apple system

    my gf's got a mac and iphone 4, i have an ipod (well used to anyways) and in all seriousness itune is pretty much the same on the mac and my win7 pc, and i don't know why, may be its me and my vibe her iphone4 had to be factory reset twice during the past two month just from plugging into itunes (apps wouldn't open anymore)

    and your right microsoft is just getting started, apple has icloud now so thats more integration there, but thats about it

    actually, google is probably the most integrated at this point from your point of view imo
    05-31-2012 01:46 PM
  13. N8ter's Avatar
    I've never had an issue with iTunes, personally, but I tend to prefer using WMP since it is built in and better integrated into the OS. I prefer to have to install as few apps as possible on my PC. I really preferred Vista and all of its built-in apps over Windows Live Essentials :-( I don't own Macs, therefore I don't feel the need to homogenize my setup - since WP7 integration with Windows 7 is almost non-existent, you can achieve the same thing (or superior results in most cases) by using an iPhone or HTC Sense device (or Samsung TouchWiz device if Kies desktop client is available in the US yet, been a while since I've checked).

    iTunes is built into OS/X so it has less issues there. A lot of complaints about iTunes (Bloat and Performance) don't exist there since the components are native to Apple's system. QuickTime has always been a huge issue on Windows since it has been hijacking File Associations and MIME types in browsers on Windows Systems since Windows 95. Also not an issue on OS/X. iTunes used to require QuickTime, up until around iOS 5 release.

    There are other perks, though, like being able to import media directly into iPhoto libraries from an iPhone/iTouch and things like that, instead of having it just dump everything into one subfolder like Zune does and then doing it later. You don't get that kind of cooperation from Windows Phone 7 and Microsoft's equivalent desktop Applications (Live Photo Gallery). That's something they need to work on, for the sake of their Windows 7 users who won't upgrade immediately (or quickly). I'd also like them to introduce Library synching like in Picasa for WLPG.

    In any case, I totally believe you because I've had other people say similar things about iTunes. No software is perfect. iTunes and QuickTime certainly aren't.
    Last edited by N8ter; 05-31-2012 at 04:35 PM.
    05-31-2012 04:27 PM
  14. fisci's Avatar
    I have recently purchased a HTC One X (Tegra 3 version). All I can say is WP7 murders Android. My old HD7 is faster at web browsing, better GPS (4 hours navigation vs 2 hours on the One X). Couple this with the fact that you can buy a WP7 device and not download any apps and still have an extremely usable OS. I've had to spend nearly $100 on apps and my One X still doesn't have all the functionality of my old HD7. I could give many examples but my post would be ignored :)
    "I owned a porsche for a week and I must say, my toyota tercel is sooooo much faster."

    I call bs on this post
    05-31-2012 05:02 PM
  15. fatclue_98's Avatar
    No, your reading comprehension is just failing you.

    I said Apple has superior integration across their product lines than other platforms. That's why I said people with other Apple products (iMac, MacBook, iPhone, iTouch, AppleTV, etc.) tend to buy other iOS devices.

    Look, it's pretty simple:



    Windows Mobile couldn't even access Zune services, and had literally no XBL support. Microsoft service integration on Windows Mobile was bare at best, and there wasn't really much in Windows on the Desktop. All it had was a Sync Client, which iTunes also provides for iOS devices (including synching Outlook Data). I wouldn't say it was any better integrated with Windows than the average iDevice back then (and certainly isn't now), but iDevices are clearly superior to competing products when it comes to integrating with Macs and other Apple devices and the software on their computers.

    What I wrote was pretty clear... Apple's devices have better integration than other manufacturer's devices. That's a driving force for people to invest further into their ecosystem than competing manufacturers who only loosely integrate their products.

    Microsoft knows this. That is why they're tying Windows Live into everything (starting with XB360, then their mobile platform with Windows desktop/tablet to follow).
    Which part of "integration" do you have the most trouble understanding? How exactly does an iPhone integrate with other Apple products? Because they're built by the same company? How do you get a document you create with your Macbook to your iPhone? Oh, and how do you transfer files (not music)?

    You see, I have a Mac desktop and the only phone that would sync with it was my Treo (Palm OS). If I want to put my music into my phone, I'll put it on an SD card. Integration means just that. Being able to get data from one device to another with no fuss, no muss. Jailbreaking is not an option, we're talking out of the box. Try using your iPhone as a USB drive - out of the box.

    Windows Mobile and Zune. That's like saying my Model T didn't have air conditioning. No sh!t, it wasn't around. My favorite statement was "Microsoft service integration on Windows Mobile was bare at best". WM was the ONLY platform that could sync tasks and notes on Exchange! What are you smoking? I thought Colombian Gold was the best when I was in college back around '82, but you got some good sh!t and me wants.

    Dude, you like iOS - I see that. That's great. But don't be making those ridiculous claims to justify your choice of OS. It ain't that great, I have an iPhone 4S (company paid) and I can't stand it. Talk about useless as tits on a bull (personal opinion, no facts needed to back it up).
    05-31-2012 06:14 PM
  16. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    I've never had an issue with iTunes, personally, but I tend to prefer using WMP since it is built in and better integrated into the OS. I prefer to have to install as few apps as possible on my PC. I really preferred Vista and all of its built-in apps

    its my gf that uses the iphone so she is actually using it on her mac, wasn't installing apps either, that id understand, she was just syncing music over then poof all things went bye bye lol, well actually she slapped me right after said "lol"...
    05-31-2012 08:03 PM
  17. N8ter's Avatar
    Which part of "integration" do you have the most trouble understanding? How exactly does an iPhone integrate with other Apple products? Because they're built by the same company? How do you get a document you create with your Macbook to your iPhone? Oh, and how do you transfer files (not music)?
    iWorks supports iCloud. They go automatically to the cloud if you want. You don't have to transfer anything. You can even see and edit them in your browser at icloud.com There's nothing to send, and there's nothing to "get." It just happens automatically in almost real time.

    iPhones integrate directly with iPhoto on OSX so you can use that to deal with Photos and Video. It offers to do that when you plug your Mac in Obviously you do your Music (and eBooks, and some video as well) through iTunes. I watched someone plug their iPhone in their computer, import a 1080p video directly into iPhoto from the iPhone, and then right click and send it to iMail as an email attachment. That kind of workflow is impossible with WP7 on Windows right now. User experience goes beyond that one specific device. It also includes how well the device works with other form-factors and applications therein.

    There is iTunes Remote. There's integration with AppleTV. The only thing Microsoft has that's comparable is the XBox Companion App (since an XBox is roughly equivalent to an AppleTV in functionality esp when coupled with Zune/Media Center Connect therefore the phone functions as a remote as well, indirectly at least).

    My point was simply the way their products work well together is a huge incentive for people to buy more Apple products once they've gotten one. Most of my friends who have iPhones, if not all of the, basically have every Apple product possible in their home (iMac, MacBook, iPhone, iPad, and AppleTV for most of them) because they like that. I won't bother getting an iPhone simply because that type of workflow optimization with that device is impossible for me as a Windows user.

    Not gonna read the rest if this is how you're gonna start off. Not sure why you're questioning my understanding of the word integration. Sounds like you need a fatclue. Later.
    Last edited by N8ter; 05-31-2012 at 09:07 PM.
    05-31-2012 08:51 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    iWorks supports iCloud. They go automatically to the cloud if you want. You don't have to transfer anything. You can even see and edit them in your browser at icloud.com There's nothing to send, and there's nothing to "get." It just happens automatically in almost real time.

    iPhones integrate directly with iPhoto on OSX so you can use that to deal with Photos and Video. It offers to do that when you plug your Mac in Obviously you do your Music (and eBooks, and some video as well) through iTunes. I watched someone plug their iPhone in their computer, import a 1080p video directly into iPhoto from the iPhone, and then right click and send it to iMail as an email attachment. That kind of workflow is impossible with WP7 on Windows right now. User experience goes beyond that one specific device. It also includes how well the device works with other form-factors and applications therein.

    There is iTunes Remote. There's integration with AppleTV. The only thing Microsoft has that's comparable is the XBox Companion App (since an XBox is roughly equivalent to an AppleTV in functionality esp when coupled with Zune/Media Center Connect therefore the phone functions as a remote as well, indirectly at least).

    My point was simply the way their products work well together is a huge incentive for people to buy more Apple products once they've gotten one. Most of my friends who have iPhones, if not all of the, basically have every Apple product possible in their home (iMac, MacBook, iPhone, iPad, and AppleTV for most of them) because they like that.

    Not gonna read the rest if this is how you're gonna start off. Not sure why you're questioning my understanding of the word integration. Sounds like you need a fatclue. Later.
    So you've described the Apple version of SkyDrive. My photos automatically go there the instant I take the picture, nothing to do except click the shutter. I'm questioning your understanding because you stated "No, your reading comprehension is just failing you". Hasta la vista N8ter H8ter.
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    05-31-2012 09:06 PM
  19. N8ter's Avatar
    Skydrive resizes photos. PhotoStream doesn't. I didn't mention photostream. I was talking about the workflow of getting the photos to your PC, and it's optimized on OSX + iOS unlike Windows + WP7. PhotoStream does the same thing and the PhotoStream syncs on both Windows and OSX (Windows via the iCloud Control Panel). PhotoStream is superior. The iOS devices also do not resize images you upload to Social Networks (unless the Social Network imposes that).

    Android devices can auto-upload images to the cloud without resizing as well. That is nothing special :P

    Also, in response to this:

    Dude, you like iOS - I see that.
    I got a new Phone yesterday. It is not an iOS device even though I could comfortably afford one. I don't really see a point in getting an iOS device (had an iTouch just to test the OS out for a while) because the type of workflow possible in an All-Apple setup just isn't possible for me as a Windows user - that to me is the biggest benefit of Apple's ecosystem -> the size of it and how well their products work together... If I go into that ecosystem, it would mean ditching my Windows PC for a Mac and my XBox for an AppleTV as well. That's not an investment (or a change) that I'm willing to make right now. I don't feel I need it.

    ^ Note that has nothing to do with how good I think iOS is vs. WP7. It could be as bad as BB7 but with the type of workflow Apple has in their ecosystem I'd still buy it if I had a Mac, simple as that. Like I said, user experience for me go beyond simply one device. The entire workflow and cross-device integration comes into play for me. I may save a few taps on the WP7 OS but offloading the media and working with it on my PC pretty much overruns the time saved on the device. It's complicated

    Plus, the iPhone cannot record video at 60 FPS, while the phone I got can, with great quality in HD. I like consolidating the number of devices I carry, not simply changing for the sake of change with no real benefits to it. I make choices on tangible and useful benefits, not simply preference or opinion. That is why I've used basically every smartphone platform out there extensively (except Symbian). I use what works best for me when I need it, not just cause someone told me so.

    Last reply since this conversation is not going anywhere anytime soon.

    The reason why I made that statement because you completely misunderstood what I wrote. That's why I quoted myself in my first response.

    You still don't seem to have a clue what I'm talking about. You just want to argue and go off on tangents. You obviously haven't used an iPhone with a Mac, as well, so why are you even trying to debate about this.
    Last edited by N8ter; 05-31-2012 at 09:35 PM. Reason: Edited back in since I was quoted during edit.
    05-31-2012 09:13 PM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Skydrive resizes photos. PhotoStream doesn't. I didn't mention photostream. I was talking about the workflow of getting the photos to your PC, and it's optimized on OSX + iOS unlike Windows + WP7. PhotoStream does the same thing and the PhotoStream syncs on both Windows and OSX (Windows via the iCloud Control Panel). PhotoStream is superior. The iOS devices also do not resize images you upload to Social Networks (unless the Social Network imposes that).

    Android devices can auto-upload images to the cloud without resizing as well. That is nothing special :P

    Also, in response to this:


    I got a new Phone yesterday. It is not an iOS device even though I could comfortably afford one. I don't really see a point in getting an iOS device (had an iTouch just to test the OS out for a while) because the type of workflow possible in an All-Apple setup just isn't possible for me as a Windows user - that to me is the biggest benefit of Apple's ecosystem -> the size of it and how well their products work together... If I go into that ecosystem, it would mean ditching my Windows PC for a Mac and my XBox for an AppleTV as well. That's not an investment (or a change) that I'm willing to make right now. I don't feel I need it.

    ^ Note that has nothing to do with how good I think iOS is vs. WP7. It could be as bad as BB7 but with the type of workflow Apple has in their ecosystem I'd still buy it if I had a Mac, simple as that. Like I said, user experience for me go beyond simply one device. The entire workflow and cross-device integration comes into play for me. I may save a few taps on the WP7 OS but offloading the media and working with it on my PC pretty much overruns the time saved on the device. It's complicated :P

    Plus, the iPhone cannot record video at 60 FPS, while the phone I got can, with great quality in HD. I like consolidating the number of devices I carry, not simply changing for the sake of change with no real benefits to it. I make choices on tangible and useful benefits, not simply preference or opinion. That is why I've used basically every smartphone platform out there extensively (except Symbian). I use what works best for me when I need it, not just cause someone told me so.

    Last reply since this conversation is not going anywhere anytime soon.

    The reason why I made that statement because you completely misunderstood what I wrote. That's why I quoted myself in my first response.

    You still don't seem to have a clue what I'm talking about. You just want to argue and go off on tangents. You obviously haven't used an iPhone with a Mac, as well, so why are you even trying to debate about this.
    I guess you didn't read the part about my having a Mac desktop and a 4S. You don't have to reply, I prefer Windows (whatever iteration) because I depend on it for MY work. My home computer will always be OSX because it's what I am willing to spend my money on. Why don't you start a thread about your new phone, tell us what it's features and benefits are. I'm married to my wife, not a mobile OS, so I'm always willing to try new products if it makes my life simpler. I thought webOS was the greatest, but we know how that turned out. I haven't really played with ICS much, but from what I've read, they've really copied a lot of webOS features so who knows?

    BTW, don't take life too seriously. Having a heart attack at 46 taught me that lesson REAL good. Peace, love and soul.
    05-31-2012 09:30 PM
  21. N8ter's Avatar
    I guess you didn't read the part about my having a Mac desktop and a 4S. You don't have to reply, I prefer Windows (whatever iteration) because I depend on it for MY work. My home computer will always be OSX because it's what I am willing to spend my money on. Why don't you start a thread about your new phone, tell us what it's features and benefits are. I'm married to my wife, not a mobile OS, so I'm always willing to try new products if it makes my life simpler. I thought webOS was the greatest, but we know how that turned out. I haven't really played with ICS much, but from what I've read, they've really copied a lot of webOS features so who knows?

    BTW, don't take life too seriously. Having a heart attack at 46 taught me that lesson REAL good. Peace, love and soul.
    Yet you don't know that iCloud keeps documents in Sync and that iPhoto integrates with Apple Devices and allows direct importing of Photos/Videos, and that iTunes handles eBooks/Music/Videos among other things.

    Those weren't rhetorical questions. You were asking them with the assumption that much of that wasn't possible since you can't do it on a Windows Machine with an iDevice.

    I don't take life seriously at all, and I don't care about yours.

    I find it quite an oxymoron that you're now trying to simmer it down and give a sermon about not being married to a mobile OS yet your last post ended with N8ter H8ter.

    I don't care who copies whom. I care what works for me. I think that's a fundamental difference in thinking between me and a lot of the people here. They care about platform loyalty and B.S. like that. I don't. In fact if copying makes their product the superior choice for me, then I surely hope they do whatever they can to copy whatever needs to be copied to make it happen. I'm not going to get the patent/copyright suite, they are. I just get to be more efficient with my devices.

    And while it's nice to say don't take life seriously, some of us here actually use our devices for REAL work. They aren't toys, they're tools to us. Having the best possible devices with the best possible capabilities for what we do is important. For example, a phone without a decent screen pixel density (at last a qHD screen) and a great camera is as useless as dirt to me at this point in time.

    This thread isn't about my phone. I can PM that but I won't pollute the thread further.
    Last edited by N8ter; 05-31-2012 at 09:48 PM.
    05-31-2012 09:33 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    "Sounds like you need a fatclue" seems like a good enough reason for the N8ter H8ter response. BTW, I don't give a fat baby's a$$ about you or your life either. Advice is free, you take it if it suits you. Mods, I'm done here, over and out.
    05-31-2012 10:00 PM
  23. jimski's Avatar
    Hey N8ter, why are you wasting everyone time *****ing in these forums. There is nothing anyone here can do or help with your vision of a perfect mobile device. Why don't you contact Google (oh , nevermind) or Apple, or Microsoft and tell all those **** poor dumb asses what they are doing wrong. And while you are on a roll, compel Samsung, LG, Sony, Acer, HTC and Nokia (choice is good) to straighten up and release that quint core, QSXGA phone, so that you have something that might come close to meeting your needs. At least for now.

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    05-31-2012 10:25 PM
  24. palandri's Avatar
    This thread has hit the end of the road.
    05-31-2012 10:31 PM
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