07-04-2012 01:52 PM
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  1. Bee Mon's Avatar
    Talk about a Porsche on bicycle tires. I'm glad Google didn't buy out webOS from HP, they would have scavenged the good stuff and called it Banana Split or some other dessert.
    Banana Split! LOLOLOL +1000 Likes
    06-30-2012 06:23 AM
  2. rightontime's Avatar
    7% on ICS is better than 0% on windows phone 8, though I think both OS's needed this huge change. Windows phone 8 from what I remember is, for simplicity sake, merging with windows 8. Devs could build an app for both windows 8 and windows phone 8. Android needed a more unified UI and rewrote a lot of android.

    4.1 is still an incremental update. They'll probably have Android 5.0 sometime in november.
    07-02-2012 11:20 AM
  3. Winterfang's Avatar
    I wouldn't be celebrating. We don't have many of Androids better things.

    Dual core
    1080p video
    720p screens
    Turn by Turn navigation ( not everyone has Nokia phones)
    Actual multitasking (Not that refrigerated stuff)

    I'm guessing even more cool stuff, that will be in the next update but we don't have it now and won't even get to update. 7% is better than 0%.
    07-02-2012 11:44 AM
  4. dannejanne's Avatar
    "project butter" is a step in the right direction for Android
    Indeed it is. But project butter is not much more than a bad way of implementing a fix for what they should had done correctly from the beginning. iOS and WP are made with user experience in mind, smoothnes that is. Android is not. It's simply too late for them to get the smoothness we have in our OS. They would need to had that in mind from the very beginning. You can't just add functions afterwards to make it as smooth. If they want to make it butter smooth they basically need to change how the core works and as a result all apps would need updates or they wouldn't work. In other words it will never happen. There is no such thing as a "lagfree" Android no matter how optimized it is in the software. Heck even our WP phones are not all free from lag.

    On a Swedish forum there are some users already that have been running Jelly Bean aka Android 4.1 now on the Galaxy Nexus. While they report that the user experience is smoother in the beginning, it's basically back to ICS behaviour when they have installed all of their 100 apps. If there is a change in smoothness it is very minor they say.
    07-02-2012 02:12 PM
  5. rightontime's Avatar
    I've been running 4.1 since Thursday and it flies. Multitask button used to open 2-3 seconds after I pressed it but now it opens really quickly even with 20+ apps open. I have heard ports of 4.1 to phones besides the galaxy nexus haven't had as good of an improvement from project butter. Plus the new notifications are a great improvement on what was great.
    07-02-2012 04:20 PM
  6. chrisz5z's Avatar
    Indeed it is. But project butter is not much more than a bad way of implementing a fix for what they should had done correctly from the beginning. iOS and WP are made with user experience in mind, smoothnes that is. Android is not. It's simply too late for them to get the smoothness we have in our OS. They would need to had that in mind from the very beginning. You can't just add functions afterwards to make it as smooth. If they want to make it butter smooth they basically need to change how the core works and as a result all apps would need updates or they wouldn't work. In other words it will never happen. There is no such thing as a "lagfree" Android no matter how optimized it is in the software. Heck even our WP phones are not all free from lag.

    On a Swedish forum there are some users already that have been running Jelly Bean aka Android 4.1 now on the Galaxy Nexus. While they report that the user experience is smoother in the beginning, it's basically back to ICS behaviour when they have installed all of their 100 apps. If there is a change in smoothness it is very minor they say.
    I have put custom roms on my Android device that was just as smooth as WP7....but it was heavily tweaked. Stock Android roms, yes very choppy. And like I said in my last post I am surprised at how smooth WP7 is, being that it's stock...MS has done a great job all by themselves. Only advantage Android has is the open source element. Having the kernel source code for your device gives the opportunity to greatly optimize part of the "core" you speak of. Having the source code to the OS/framework itself (AOSP roms), gives the opportunity to optimize the other part of that core.

    And I agree, Google should have put more into the overall user experience from the beginning. If they had they probably would have lots more users
    07-02-2012 11:02 PM
  7. cckgz4's Avatar
    Your talking nonsense. The spec route seems to be working just fine for Android, with over a million devices activated a day. I don't have any more problems with my GSII than I did with my Focus/HD7.

    Bullocks, I've had a GSII since dumping WP7 in Janurary, and I've received two updates from AT&T.

    How do you know about the lifespan of WP7 being longer? They just announced that 2nd gen devices will NOT be getting a update to WP8.


    Updates for Android are really just tweeks, because their OS is already mature. WPX has been adding missing features.
    Specs are not what's keeping Android afloat. Price range, apps, and availability are the three things that makes it a best seller. Every carrier has it, you can get a lot of them for free, and they have most apps that iPhone has.
    07-03-2012 04:00 AM
  8. cckgz4's Avatar
    7% on ICS is better than 0% on windows phone 8, though I think both OS's needed this huge change. Windows phone 8 from what I remember is, for simplicity sake, merging with windows 8. Devs could build an app for both windows 8 and windows phone 8. Android needed a more unified UI and rewrote a lot of android.

    4.1 is still an incremental update. They'll probably have Android 5.0 sometime in november.
    You really didn't just say that did you?
    07-03-2012 04:02 AM
  9. rightontime's Avatar
    You really didn't just say that did you?
    You're right I'm sorry for being wrong. It's 10%
    07-03-2012 09:58 AM
  10. dannejanne's Avatar
    You're right I'm sorry for being wrong. It's 10%
    It has taken Android 8,5 months to reach 10% of their phones running ICS. Soon Jelly Bean is out. When will 10% of the phones run that?
    07-03-2012 10:24 AM
  11. ninjaap's Avatar
    7% on ICS is better than 0% on windows phone 8, though I think both OS's needed this huge change. Windows phone 8 from what I remember is, for simplicity sake, merging with windows 8. Devs could build an app for both windows 8 and windows phone 8. Android needed a more unified UI and rewrote a lot of android.

    4.1 is still an incremental update. They'll probably have Android 5.0 sometime in november.
    100% is better than 7%

    WP7
    100% on NoDo
    100% on 7.5
    100% on 7.8

    ....

    WP8
    100% first update
    100% second update
    100% thrid update
    ....

    WP9
    100% first update
    100% second update
    100% thrid update

    and so on...
    07-03-2012 10:39 AM
  12. rightontime's Avatar
    It has taken Android 8,5 months to reach 10% of their phones running ICS. Soon Jelly Bean is out. When will 10% of the phones run that?
    I'm running it now but I have no clue when it will be out for other phones. Could be sooner since this is the first time manufacturers were given the PDK and it isn't as big of a jump as ICS was.
    07-03-2012 10:42 AM
  13. rightontime's Avatar
    100% is better than 7%

    WP7
    100% on NoDo
    100% on 7.5
    100% on 7.8


    and so on...
    Except 0% of these phones will get WP8.
    07-03-2012 10:43 AM
  14. dannejanne's Avatar
    I'm running it now but I have no clue when it will be out for other phones. Could be sooner since this is the first time manufacturers were given the PDK and it isn't as big of a jump as ICS was.
    Most likely ICS is still in the works for a lot of phones. They probably won't scrap that and start all over with Jelly Bean when it is released. Nexus will get Jelly Bean soon. But that's pretty much it I believe. The fragmentation is getting worse month by month on Android. It's honestly a mess if you ask me.
    07-03-2012 10:46 AM
  15. rightontime's Avatar
    Most likely ICS is still in the works for a lot of phones. They probably won't scrap that and start all over with Jelly Bean when it is released. Nexus will get Jelly Bean soon. But that's pretty much it I believe. The fragmentation is getting worse month by month on Android. It's honestly a mess if you ask me.
    It really is. Actually it's probably worse than a mess. Open source isn't perfect, and this is the perfect reason why Apple and MS avoided it. I'm not sure if it is better to say early on that your phone isn't getting the latest update like MS did, or having the constant hope of getting an update.
    07-03-2012 10:51 AM
  16. ninjaap's Avatar
    Except 0% of these phones will get WP8.
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!! Android can finally boast about their upgrade path after years of fragmentation!!! That is until WP8 comes out... and it's awwwwww poor Android phones again :( This will all be forgetten by the end of the year.
    07-03-2012 11:01 AM
  17. HeyCori's Avatar
    I gotta say, I'm pretty happy with my Lumia. It does almost everything I want my smartphone to do and (best of all) does it right out of the box. I got my social networks, cloud storage, GPS, web browsing, email accounts, news, and Zune Pass. I had to play with the camera settings but now I can get some pretty great pictures. I took some beautiful shots of my brother's kids over the weekend. They were better than I thought the 900 was capable of. I'm not an app maniac but I have (way) more than I use. I know every smartphone on the market can do all that, but none can do it how my Windows Phone does it.

    I may not buy a new phone until there's a business related application that I absolutely must have or when smartphone video cameras finally move out of the dark ages. Seriously, people always talk about how good/bad smartphone cameras are but the camcorders are atrocious. I've yet to see one on any platform that impresses me. The Galaxy S3 is decent and has good color reproduction but smartphone camcorders still have a long way to go.
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    07-03-2012 01:32 PM
  18. rightontime's Avatar
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!! Android can finally boast about their upgrade path after years of fragmentation!!! That is until WP8 comes out... and it's awwwwww poor Android phones again :( This will all be forgetten by the end of the year.
    Android users will never boast about upgrade paths ever. Just saying when windows 7 users get shafted they can't really say how their platform is better handling fragmentation.
    07-03-2012 01:58 PM
  19. ninjaap's Avatar
    Android users will never boast about upgrade paths ever. Just saying when windows 7 users get shafted they can't really say how their platform is better handling fragmentation.
    Just saying, "they" only got or about to get shafted... ONCE.
    07-03-2012 02:00 PM
  20. cckgz4's Avatar
    It's obvious what he's here for. I shall not give him water to quench his thirst.
    07-04-2012 02:25 AM
  21. mhans311's Avatar
    One (but not the only) reason I went back to android was because of the free turn by turn navigation. It works so well. Why can't windows phone do this with Bing maps? I could do it on my old WinMo HTC Ozone, but I couldn't do it on the newer more advanced platform? Doesn't make sense. Hopefully this is one thing that will come with WP8 or I'm afraid MS will be left behind once again since Apple will have it on the new iPhone.
    07-04-2012 09:47 AM
  22. HeyCori's Avatar
    One (but not the only) reason I went back to android was because of the free turn by turn navigation. It works so well. Why can't windows phone do this with Bing maps? I could do it on my old WinMo HTC Ozone, but I couldn't do it on the newer more advanced platform? Doesn't make sense. Hopefully this is one thing that will come with WP8 or I'm afraid MS will be left behind once again since Apple will have it on the new iPhone.
    Free turn-by-turn will be standard on WP8.
    07-04-2012 10:29 AM
  23. rightontime's Avatar
    Free turn-by-turn will be standard on WP8.
    Just wondering will Turn-by-turn be from Microsoft or from Nokia Maps? I remember reading something that Windows phone 8 will be using Nokia maps instead of bing maps.
    07-04-2012 12:07 PM
  24. HeyCori's Avatar
    From Nokia.
    07-04-2012 01:04 PM
  25. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    Android users will never boast about upgrade paths ever. Just saying when windows 7 users get shafted they can't really say how their platform is better handling fragmentation.
    i seriously still think 7.8 is just like the new iOS for iphone 3GS, u get some updates, but there will be apps u can't install

    well, thats what my friend's wife told me when i asked her why she wanted to get rid of 3GS like it's a hot potato (or kind of like how siri was not allowed on the 4, though it can't really compare to the "can't install these app" issue)

    i don't know about shafted for 1st gen user or even 2nd gen users that got their phone earlier this year, only the L900 users were kind of screwed over, but look on the bright side, that phone was actually cheaper than the L800 (both are still really good phones that i'll keep)
    07-04-2012 01:14 PM
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