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  1. scottcraft's Avatar
    I agree that the talk and standby times listed by the manufacturer is subjective. Anandtech has some pretty scientific testing. I want to do some research on there and see how different phones compare for battery life.
    08-13-2012 09:13 AM
  2. N8ter's Avatar
    -Don't need an app for most things
    False. The whole point of having a huge app store is that you don't need to use a web browser to access services that aren't native (or partnered) with Microsoft. Usually, there is a first-party application available for most anything.

    Services like Path, Instagram, Hulu Plus, etc. Having Native Apps allow you to access those services in a way that a web browser doesn't facilitate. Web Browsers don't give Push Notifications. Web Pages don't integrate with the Sharing System in Operating Systems. In some cases (Path, Instagram) you cannot access the service at all without an app. A browser won't save you there, and neither will a People Hub that doesn't even integrate the service (and you'd probably need a full FW update for MS to integrate it, if they ever do).

    The built-in Social Hubs in some OSes (Windows Phone People Hub being literally equivalent to Samsung Social Hub) can't make up for the lack of an app, because some developers will break your app at the API/Authentication level to disallow you from integrating your service - Instagram and Pandora are/were known for that.

    The notion that you don't need an app for most things on WP7 or WP8 is about as valid as saying that for Android and iOS, because all three platforms have a web browser and the other two have a better supported web browser (WebKit) than Windows Phone.

    -Free office
    Every Android phone ships with an Office Suite. Samsung phones ship with one that can both Edit and Create documents, and can access Cloud Services like DropBox and Box.net - among others.

    Additionally, the Google Drive app can create and edit Google Docs, so that's invalid even in the absence of the pre-loaded Office Suites on most (all?) Android devices. Sharing and Collaboration is built into that app, as well.

    -OnDemand music right from the music player
    Can do that with Google Music or Sony Music Unlimited. Also Samsung Music Hub on GS3 devices.

    Zune Pass is not free.

    -flawless interaction with Xbox ,and win8 tablets and PCs
    The XBox app works over the internet so theoretically someone can use your phone to run up charges with it while you're on vacation across the country if you lose an unlocked phone. That's not flawless.

    As for Win8 Tablets and PCs I guess it matters if you have a Win8 Tablet or PC :-) I wouldn't call it flawless/integration. More interoperability than integration. I think the difference between those two words are becoming more and more muddied as time goes on, on these "tech forums."

    You see, this is the definition of interoperability:

    (computer science) the ability to exchange and use information (usually in a large heterogeneous network made up of several local area networks)
    I think that makes more sense. There's no flawless integration there, they just interop well, which any OS can do given decent cloud services and accompanying software - which is all the WP8/Win8 interop is: software and cloud services. It really isn't that hard, they just baked it into the OS. Whoopdy-doo. Apple does this with OSX/iOS/iCloud/etc. already. Google does it with Chrome OS.

    -Better performance on same hardware
    Ignorable speculation because no such devices exist (WP7/WP8 release devices with the same hardware as i.e. a HOX or GS3, not even a GS2/SR or something on that level). You're assuming WP7/8 OS performance scales linearly which cannot be assumed. Obviously you are not a software developer.

    -No need to install custom roms to get rid of carrier/OEM added garbage.
    You can uninstall and disable pretty much all carrier bloatware in ICS, nevermind Jelly Bean. That's all WP7 does. If you factory reset, it's back there again, cause it's baked into the ROM. If you truly want to get rid of it in WP7, you still need to break into your phone to rip that package out - similar to Android. iOS is the only carrier-subsidized OS that ships basically free of bloatware (maybe there's a VVM or MyAT&T/MyVerizon app on there or something, but those are literally ignorable and actually useful).

    -No need to spend hours getting everything just right.
    Ignorable subjective and assuming point. Yea...

    I could go on and on.
    And still be wrong on many counts...
    08-13-2012 09:58 AM
  3. N8ter's Avatar
    BB does this too and I always thought it was really dumb. When I want something gone, I want it GONE.
    Usually most can be uninstalled. Some can only be disabled. The package is still in the ROM, same as on WP7. If you ever Factory Reset an Android or WP7 device all the bloatware will come right back. Same as Blackberry. iOS is the only subsidized platform that does have this issue.

    Uninstalling Bloatware on WP7 is literally equivalent to unistalling it on ICS/JB. The only difference between the two is that unlike WP7, ICS/JB also allows you to Disable (Freeze) even some stock applications that you don't want (or carrier bloatware that cannot be uninstalled).
    08-13-2012 10:00 AM
  4. N8ter's Avatar
    Not to get too far off subject, but you can see by the above ratings that whatever testing method is being used, it is terribly inconsistent. Larger batteries with lower ratings and vice-versa. Remember, these are talk time tests, with 0 third party interaction. So while these numbers are a somewhat vague guide, they don't paint a very clear picture.

    As an FYI, with my last three phones, I have found uptime (using data/wi-fi with the screen on) to be about 10-15% better than rated talk time. That number can also vary though, based on the background features a user has activated. So everyone's experience will be different.


    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    Nothing inconsistent about it. The LG Nitro HD has terrible battery life and LG themselves rated it at 3 hours talk time. They're rated that way because that's how they performed when they were tested by the Manufacturers. Sometimes having a bigger battery doesn't erase battery life issues. It's why phones like the Atrix 4G still had mediocre battery life while something like a GS2 or SR on HSPA+ outperforms it with a smaller battery.

    Additionally, screen technology and screen resolution, SoC type, sensors, software optimization, etc. also factor into battery life. Newer CPUs are more battery efficient, and something like a SAMOLED+ WVGA screen will not drain as much battery as a qHD backlid LCD screen. Therefore a phone like the GS2 could outperform something like a Titan II with a smaller battery just by virtue of it's more up-to-date hardware components. Skins like TW4/Nature and Sense 3.6/4 are a lot more optimized compared to Sense 3.x and TW 3 - their performance speaks for itself (esp on ICS). Android is also not GPU accellerated on more efficient GPUs, and up until Mango devices they tended to have more sensors in the phones than launch WP7 devices (which had no FFC or Gyro, for example, also no NFC).

    And of course, the nature of Android and it's truer Multi-Tasking allows the device to run more apps concurrently than the average WP7/7.5 device. Why do you think Apple can get as good battery life in the iPhone 4/4S with a ~1400 mAh battery?

    Think about it a bit, you're harping on something that really is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
    08-13-2012 10:08 AM
  5. eric12341's Avatar
    That's a myth that the WP fanboys would love to believe, but is simply not true. Anandtech does some pretty great battery tests and the Lumia 900 (which is the de facto WP flagship) comes out consistently at the bottom. You can check the charts for example here:

    AnandTech - HTC One S Review - Battery Life

    And no, it's not because of the larger battery capacity. The Nexus has the same battery capacity as the Lumia 900.
    Well the GN has a newer version of android so it better have an improvement in battery life. Also the L900 has had a couple firmware updates since then which probably could've improved battery life.
    To participate in the discussion with real facts and opinions that are based on the reality of things.

    And to correct all the nonsense you guys keep making up. I wouldn't have to do that if you weren't posting stuff that is simply not true or offensive to other members of this community.
    Only people who are offended by what I say are android fanboys that keep invading our community, that's also reflected by how many likes I have vs how many you have.

    False. The whole point of having a huge app store is that you don't need to use a web browser to access services that aren't native (or partnered) with Microsoft. Usually, there is a first-party application available for most anything.

    Services like Path, Instagram, Hulu Plus, etc. Having Native Apps allow you to access those services in a way that a web browser doesn't facilitate. Web Browsers don't give Push Notifications. Web Pages don't integrate with the Sharing System in Operating Systems. In some cases (Path, Instagram) you cannot access the service at all without an app. A browser won't save you there, and neither will a People Hub that doesn't even integrate the service (and you'd probably need a full FW update for MS to integrate it, if they ever do).

    The built-in Social Hubs in some OSes (Windows Phone People Hub being literally equivalent to Samsung Social Hub) can't make up for the lack of an app, because some developers will break your app at the API/Authentication level to disallow you from integrating your service - Instagram and Pandora are/were known for that.

    The notion that you don't need an app for most things on WP7 or WP8 is about as valid as saying that for Android and iOS, because all three platforms have a web browser and the other two have a better supported web browser (WebKit) than Windows Phone.


    1. Every Android phone ships with an Office Suite. Samsung phones ship with one that can both Edit and Create documents, and can access Cloud Services like DropBox and Box.net - among others.

    Additionally, the Google Drive app can create and edit Google Docs, so that's invalid even in the absence of the pre-loaded Office Suites on most (all?) Android devices. Sharing and Collaboration is built into that app, as well.


    2. Can do that with Google Music or Sony Music Unlimited. Also Samsung Music Hub on GS3 devices.

    Zune Pass is not free.


    The XBox app works over the internet so theoretically someone can use your phone to run up charges with it while you're on vacation across the country if you lose an unlocked phone. That's not flawless.

    As for Win8 Tablets and PCs I guess it matters if you have a Win8 Tablet or PC :-) I wouldn't call it flawless/integration. More interoperability than integration. I think the difference between those two words are becoming more and more muddied as time goes on, on these "tech forums."

    You see, this is the definition of interoperability:



    I think that makes more sense. There's no flawless integration there, they just interop well, which any OS can do given decent cloud services and accompanying software - which is all the WP8/Win8 interop is: software and cloud services. It really isn't that hard, they just baked it into the OS. Whoopdy-doo. Apple does this with OSX/iOS/iCloud/etc. already. Google does it with Chrome OS.


    3. Ignorable speculation because no such devices exist (WP7/WP8 release devices with the same hardware as i.e. a HOX or GS3, not even a GS2/SR or something on that level). You're assuming WP7/8 OS performance scales linearly which cannot be assumed. Obviously you are not a software developer.


    You can uninstall and disable pretty much all carrier bloatware in ICS, nevermind Jelly Bean. That's all WP7 does. If you factory reset, it's back there again, cause it's baked into the ROM. If you truly want to get rid of it in WP7, you still need to break into your phone to rip that package out - similar to Android. iOS is the only carrier-subsidized OS that ships basically free of bloatware (maybe there's a VVM or MyAT&T/MyVerizon app on there or something, but those are literally ignorable and actually useful).


    Ignorable subjective and assuming point. Yea...


    And still be wrong on many counts...
    Wow so much here anyway:
    1. Google docs isn't nearly as good or as compatible as SkyDrive and Microsoft office docs. I know this because I had a group project last semester and we used google docs, they couldn't even open the .docx files I uploaded,I had to reupload them in standard .doc format in order for them to be able to open it. That wouldn't have been the case with SkyDrive which supports collaboration as well.

    2. Google music in the play store isn't free either, some songs are free while others you have to pay to even be able to stream them. Only thing that's free is muve music which is included in a cricket subscribers plan.

    3. for that I'm going based off an analysis that Intel did on dual core androids. It was proven that android devices have inefficient use of the cores and it does more harm than good to have another core.
    08-13-2012 11:36 AM
  6. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Well the GN has a newer version of android so it better have an improvement in battery life. Also the L900 has had a couple firmware updates since then which probably could've improved battery life.


    Only people who are offended by what I say are android fanboys that keep invading our community, that's also reflected by how many likes I have vs how many you have.



    Wow so much here anyway:
    1. Google docs isn't nearly as good or as compatible as SkyDrive and Microsoft office docs. I know this because I had a group project last semester and we used google docs, they couldn't even open the .docx files I uploaded,I had to reupload them in standard .doc format in order for them to be able to open it. That wouldn't have been the case with SkyDrive which supports collaboration as well.

    2. Google music in the play store isn't free either, some songs are free while others you have to pay to even be able to stream them. Only thing that's free is muve music which is included in a cricket subscribers plan.

    3. for that I'm going based off an analysis that Intel did on dual core androids. It was proven that android devices have inefficient use of the cores and it does more harm than good to have another core.
    Thanks for the rebuttal. I wanted to do it, but I had N8ter on my ignore list. Though sometimes he has substantial input, he chooses to be a resident ****** bag sometimes.
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    08-13-2012 11:41 AM
  7. scottcraft's Avatar
    Deleted.
    Last edited by scottcraft; 08-13-2012 at 12:04 PM.
    08-13-2012 11:50 AM
  8. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Happy days are ahead folks! Yay wp8
    Last edited by cp2_4eva; 08-13-2012 at 12:15 PM.
    08-13-2012 12:00 PM
  9. scottcraft's Avatar
    I'm going to delete my post if I can. We have enough fighting around here as it is. I don't want to contribute to any of it.
    I was unable to delete the post from my phone so I modified it. If you could remove the quote I would appreciate it.
    Last edited by scottcraft; 08-13-2012 at 12:50 PM.
    08-13-2012 12:03 PM
  10. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    done and done.
    08-13-2012 12:15 PM
  11. scottcraft's Avatar
    done and done.
    Thanks, I removed what I quoted from you also.
    08-13-2012 12:51 PM
  12. KoukiFC3S's Avatar
    I have had most high end android phones, including the Nexus, Note, GS2, Razr, One X and many more.

    Right now I'm pretty happy with my Dell Venue Pro running Mango.

    Things I like about my Venue:

    -Battery life: on WP, apps can be prevented from running in the background. I feel that this really helps battery life. On android, I always had a rogue app that would suck my battery. It was pretty inconsistent.

    -Office: nothing beats the real MS Office. I tried many apps on android and they were good but not excellent.

    -Uniform theme: most apps I have stick to the Metro UI. I have a black/red theme, and it helps on the battery with the AMOLED screen. Android is getting there with Holo but it still has some ways to go.

    -Social networking: the built in FB, twitter and LinkedIn are good for me. The notifications are unobtrusive and I can see on the live tile how many new items I got. I got pretty tired of seeing my friends check in on my android notification bar.

    -Music: The Zune app is really polished. It handles all of my podcasts, and I am also trying the Zune pass. It's really easy to start listening to music. With android I had Google Play which is cool. Podcast was ok. I was using Pocket Casts, which is excellent, but not as polished as Zune.

    -Smoothness: The whole OS is really fluid. Jelly Bean is good as well, but I still feel WP feels better.

    Things I like better on Android:

    -Speed: the Krait processor is fast. Couple that with 1GB of ram, and most app on Android open instantaneously.

    -Apps: More apps and updates on Android, but I do have a tons on my WP.

    -Navigation: I can click on a link and navigate from there. Maybe Nokia Drive can do that? Right now I have to open Garmin and enter the address manually.

    So in conclusion, I do feel that Android is a better OS than WP. However, WP is still great, and will be even better when 8 comes around.

    With ice cream sandwich any app can be disabled so it doesn't show up in the app drawer anymore, so carrier added stuff isn't an issue anymore, at least on phones fortunate enough to be on ice cream sandwich.
    Not all the apps can be disabled.
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    08-13-2012 02:32 PM
  13. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    BTW: Samsung's Odyssey is just leaked...

    Sent from my RaZr Nexus.
    08-13-2012 02:47 PM
  14. cckgz4's Avatar
    To participate in the discussion with real facts and opinions that are based on the reality of things.

    And to correct all the nonsense you guys keep making up. I wouldn't have to do that if you weren't posting stuff that is simply not true or offensive to other members of this community.
    *guffaws*

    Really? So folks make you post on here cause you feel the need to "correct" their opinions?
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    08-13-2012 03:14 PM
  15. cckgz4's Avatar
    LOL! I always like the standby times they quote. Of course they don't tell you it has to be in Airplane Mode to get that amount of standby time. :D
    PLEASE state that again.
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    08-13-2012 03:17 PM
  16. N8ter's Avatar
    Wow so much here anyway:
    1. Google docs isn't nearly as good or as compatible as SkyDrive and Microsoft office docs. I know this because I had a group project last semester and we used google docs, they couldn't even open the .docx files I uploaded,I had to reupload them in standard .doc format in order for them to be able to open it. That wouldn't have been the case with SkyDrive which supports collaboration as well.
    Software and Services cannot fix issues between the keyboard and the chair.

    Everyone who does colaborative editing on documents knows that unless you know everyone uses Microsoft Office (which can be safely assumed in a CORPORATE environment, but not necessarily anywhere else esp not in College they can have a Linux box for all you know) you should share Office Documents in Office 2003 .DOC format.

    This isn't exclusive to Google Docs or SkyDrive (the latter of which will limit the kinds of edits you can do to a document that isn't in the latest Office XML format, and doens't even support pre-2010 versions of Desktop OneNote) - that goes for pretty much all non-Microsoft Office productivity software. In almost all cases, they will import the Office 2003 document in a superior quality to the Office 2010 document. Support for that version is simply superior because Office 2003 was on the market so damn long that everyone pretty much perfected their import filters.

    It has been that way since Office 2007 released.

    Additionally, even if you uploaded it in .doc (Word 2003) format functionality in Google Docs would be severely limited (just like using an old document format in SkyDrive) to the point that you couldn't do much with it until you converted it to Google Docs format. IIRC, you can't even edit the document which for all intents and purposes (unless it was just reference material) completely negates the whole point of putting it up there for a "group project" (that sounds so cute, though!).

    2. Google music in the play store isn't free either, some songs are free while others you have to pay to even be able to stream them. Only thing that's free is muve music which is included in a cricket subscribers plan.
    I'm talking about the services, not the music store.

    If you want something similar to Zune Pass (a completely different type of *service* than Google Play Music), then you need to subscribe to a service like Sony Music Unlimited:

    https://music.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/

    And then you can use it's associated app:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....snei.mu.phone

    To access the service. Alternatively, OEMs like Samsung have their own Music Hub services that they launched and is built into their phones.

    Point is, Google Play Music is not comparable to Zune Pass, so I'm not sure why you even used it as a counter-example. You should have used something like Samsung Music Hub, which actually trumps Zune Pass for Value. All of these allow music purchasing without a subscription. Google charges for Storage, not services (like Streaming and Caching of DRM'd music to devices, or music matching like Music Hub or iTunes in the Cloud).

    3. for that I'm going based off an analysis that Intel did on dual core androids. It was proven that android devices have inefficient use of the cores and it does more harm than good to have another core.
    The same Intel that only produces single core x86 smartphone SoCs and competes with ARM SoC manufacturers? Say this isn't so? Aren't their Mobile Processors known for terrible battery life, BTW? Tit for tat...

    In the future please provide a reference. Quoting without a reference amounts to a rumor. I found it, though.

    It wasn't an analysis. It was some statements someone in head of Intel's Mobile division made in an interview. Only as reliable as you think it is because you think it supports whatever point you're trying to make.

    Everyone knows you can regress performance of an app with poor multi-threaded application programming compared to a single-threaded version. We know this. That's basically what he said. It's nothing new and we've known this for decades, now.
    Last edited by N8ter; 08-13-2012 at 05:45 PM.
    08-13-2012 05:37 PM
  17. fisci's Avatar
    Well the GN has a newer version of android so it better have an improvement in battery life. Also the L900 has had a couple firmware updates since then which probably could've improved battery life.


    Only people who are offended by what I say are android fanboys that keep invading our community, that's also reflected by how many likes I have vs how many you have.



    Wow so much here anyway:
    1. Google docs isn't nearly as good or as compatible as SkyDrive and Microsoft office docs. I know this because I had a group project last semester and we used google docs, they couldn't even open the .docx files I uploaded,I had to reupload them in standard .doc format in order for them to be able to open it. That wouldn't have been the case with SkyDrive which supports collaboration as well.

    2. Google music in the play store isn't free either, some songs are free while others you have to pay to even be able to stream them. Only thing that's free is muve music which is included in a cricket subscribers plan.

    3. for that I'm going based off an analysis that Intel did on dual core androids. It was proven that android devices have inefficient use of the cores and it does more harm than good to have another core.
    you really keep using how many likes you have as some sort of rebuttal??

    LOL
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    08-13-2012 07:46 PM
  18. eric12341's Avatar
    Software and Services cannot fix issues between the keyboard and the chair.

    Everyone who does colaborative editing on documents knows that unless you know everyone uses Microsoft Office (which can be safely assumed in a CORPORATE environment, but not necessarily anywhere else esp not in College they can have a Linux box for all you know) you should share Office Documents in Office 2003 .DOC format.

    This isn't exclusive to Google Docs or SkyDrive (the latter of which will limit the kinds of edits you can do to a document that isn't in the latest Office XML format, and doens't even support pre-2010 versions of Desktop OneNote) - that goes for pretty much all non-Microsoft Office productivity software. In almost all cases, they will import the Office 2003 document in a superior quality to the Office 2010 document. Support for that version is simply superior because Office 2003 was on the market so damn long that everyone pretty much perfected their import filters.

    It has been that way since Office 2007 released.

    Additionally, even if you uploaded it in .doc (Word 2003) format functionality in Google Docs would be severely limited (just like using an old document format in SkyDrive) to the point that you couldn't do much with it until you converted it to Google Docs format. IIRC, you can't even edit the document which for all intents and purposes (unless it was just reference material) completely negates the whole point of putting it up there for a "group project" (that sounds so cute, though!).



    I'm talking about the services, not the music store.

    If you want something similar to Zune Pass (a completely different type of *service* than Google Play Music), then you need to subscribe to a service like Sony Music Unlimited:

    https://music.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/

    And then you can use it's associated app:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d....snei.mu.phone

    To access the service. Alternatively, OEMs like Samsung have their own Music Hub services that they launched and is built into their phones.

    Point is, Google Play Music is not comparable to Zune Pass, so I'm not sure why you even used it as a counter-example. You should have used something like Samsung Music Hub, which actually trumps Zune Pass for Value. All of these allow music purchasing without a subscription. Google charges for Storage, not services (like Streaming and Caching of DRM'd music to devices, or music matching like Music Hub or iTunes in the Cloud).


    The same Intel that only produces single core x86 smartphone SoCs and competes with ARM SoC manufacturers? Say this isn't so? Aren't their Mobile Processors known for terrible battery life, BTW? Tit for tat...

    In the future please provide a reference. Quoting without a reference amounts to a rumor. I found it, though.

    It wasn't an analysis. It was some statements someone in head of Intel's Mobile division made in an interview. Only as reliable as you think it is because you think it supports whatever point you're trying to make.

    Everyone knows you can regress performance of an app with poor multi-threaded application programming compared to a single-threaded version. We know this. That's basically what he said. It's nothing new and we've known this for decades, now.
    1. Everyone in my group had iPhones or windows PCs. The rest of the post you're pretty much refuting what I said.

    2. Do these services also allow streaming of music videos in HD? Do these services also sync and track everything you've listened to and give recommendations based on it. You said they allow purchasing of music without a subscription, therefore it's no different than iTunes. With Zune you can stream the music without purchasing
    you really keep using how many likes you have as some sort of rebuttal??

    LOL
    So you were able to get that out of everything else I said? Interesting, this isn't much of a rebuttal either.
    08-13-2012 08:02 PM
  19. jimski's Avatar
    Nothing inconsistent about it. The LG Nitro HD has terrible battery life and LG themselves rated it at 3 hours talk time. They're rated that way because that's how they performed when they were tested by the Manufacturers. Sometimes having a bigger battery doesn't erase battery life issues. It's why phones like the Atrix 4G still had mediocre battery life while something like a GS2 or SR on HSPA+ outperforms it with a smaller battery.

    Additionally, screen technology and screen resolution, SoC type, sensors, software optimization, etc. also factor into battery life. Newer CPUs are more battery efficient, and something like a SAMOLED+ WVGA screen will not drain as much battery as a qHD backlid LCD screen. Therefore a phone like the GS2 could outperform something like a Titan II with a smaller battery just by virtue of it's more up-to-date hardware components. Skins like TW4/Nature and Sense 3.6/4 are a lot more optimized compared to Sense 3.x and TW 3 - their performance speaks for itself (esp on ICS). Android is also not GPU accellerated on more efficient GPUs, and up until Mango devices they tended to have more sensors in the phones than launch WP7 devices (which had no FFC or Gyro, for example, also no NFC).

    And of course, the nature of Android and it's truer Multi-Tasking allows the device to run more apps concurrently than the average WP7/7.5 device. Why do you think Apple can get as good battery life in the iPhone 4/4S with a ~1400 mAh battery?

    Think about it a bit, you're harping on something that really is unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
    Yo there. Battery life ratings provide two criteria: Talk time and standby. Talk time is with the screen off, all third party apps off, and all radios except your GSM/CDMA radio turned off. So screen brightness, processors, etc. have nothing to do with it. Standby time is based on the same criteria, everything off except for the GSM/CDMA radio. No one (except me) systematically measures battery performance with data, screen on, and a multitude of push services.

    I get your point though. Why would anyone who uses Android want to talk battery performance.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    08-13-2012 08:07 PM
  20. scottcraft's Avatar
    I think battery life is overrated too, but I've never had a smartphone with good battery life. Two androids and a WP, all with poor battery life. If I was unable to get near a charger for a few hours I might feel different.
    08-13-2012 08:34 PM
  21. fisci's Avatar
    Yo there. Battery life ratings provide two criteria: Talk time and standby. Talk time is with the screen off, all third party apps off, and all radios except your GSM/CDMA radio turned off. So screen brightness, processors, etc. have nothing to do with it. Standby time is based on the same criteria, everything off except for the GSM/CDMA radio. No one (except me) systematically measures battery performance with data, screen on, and a multitude of push services.

    I get your point though. Why would anyone who uses Android want to talk battery performance.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    obviously you don't get his point....

    using old processors is not going to get you good battery life.

    Wp7 phones have conistently some of the worst battery life because of their bargain bin components.

    Most reviews also don't only use that criteria (who does these days??), many stream continuous hd video, or try it a few days under real world usage.
    08-13-2012 08:43 PM
  22. CDG's Avatar
    obviously you don't get his point....

    using old processors is not going to get you good battery life.

    Wp7 phones have conistently some of the worst battery life because of their bargain bin components.


    Most reviews also don't only use that criteria (who does these days??), many stream continuous hd video, or try it a few days under real world usage.
    I really and truly do not understand why you are saying this. I have had three Androids ranging from 1.6 to 4.03 and also a week with GSM GN with JB. I liked them all for a variety of reason and I disliked them for a variety of reasons as well. None of them had battery life that comes par with my 900, the Vivid was the worst, dying by mid afternoon and the Atrix the best making it about 12 hours.

    The GN with an extended OEM battery would make 24 hours.

    I also don't understand the comment about "bargain bin " components but if those components give me a problem free device that does everything I did on my Androids and more, in a smooth stylish manner and lasts longer, then bargain bin is a definite bargain. :)
    Last edited by charlyee; 08-13-2012 at 09:13 PM.
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    08-13-2012 09:07 PM
  23. tekhna's Avatar
    Until we see how carriers support WP8, there's no advantage whatsoever. If there's still no, or limited options on three of the five major carriers, then it's pointless.
    08-13-2012 09:31 PM
  24. fisci's Avatar
    I really and truly do not understand why you are saying this. I have had three Androids ranging from 1.6 to 4.03 and also a week with GSM GN with JB. I liked them all for a variety of reason and I disliked them for a variety of reasons as well. None of them had battery life that comes par with my 900, the Vivid was the worst, dying by mid afternoon and the Atrix the best making it about 12 hours.

    The GN with an extended OEM battery would make 24 hours.

    I also don't understand the comment about "bargain bin " components but if those components give me a problem free device that does everything I did on my Androids and more, in a smooth stylish manner and lasts longer, then bargain bin is a definite bargain. :)
    the newest processors used are from 2009...

    It actually is missing basic functionality like true volume control, it does an iota of what android can do.

    For a basic user, great..

    For someone who actually uses their phone as more than just a basic phone, not so great.

    MY nexus destroys either of the wp7 phones I had in battery life (and functionality but that is a different topic). A lot of this has to do with more efficient processors. Newer tech isnt just a rat race, it does bring improvements.
    08-13-2012 09:44 PM
  25. palandri's Avatar
    the newest processors used are from 2009...

    It actually is missing basic functionality like true volume control, it does an iota of what android can do.

    For a basic user, great..

    For someone who actually uses their phone as more than just a basic phone, not so great.

    MY nexus destroys either of the wp7 phones I had in battery life (and functionality but that is a different topic). A lot of this has to do with more efficient processors. Newer tech isnt just a rat race, it does bring improvements.
    What's your point? We're all dumb phone user here?
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    08-13-2012 09:47 PM
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