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  1. Coach David's Avatar
    Please don't defend Microsoft. They knew no update would arrive for my lumia.

    I have been happy with WP7, but only because Microsoft promised a better update strategy. Our phones are now general purpose computers with pricy data plans, and long two year contracts. So yes I am angry, and will not be purchasing another. Why if I am happy?

    The main reason is because the beta test was over.. Really I trusted the message Microsoft pushed about providing iPhone style phone updates while giving us Android style of choice.

    I've seen people excuse this lie by saying, be happy with what you have. Apple does not say this to its user base. I won't bring up Android because you must own a Nexus device to be truly happy with your investment.
    I traded an EVO for an Arrive. I believed what Microsoft told me about updates. All phones, all the time.
    Well, with so much time to think about what I don't get...for the next two years

    -Turn by turn navigation, while my phone screen is off.
    -Open another app, return to the start screen, start the same app, and expect it to be where I left off
    -Get my money back

    I complain because I am right. Don't promise if you can't deliver.

    I stayed away from the iPhone for two reasons. Screen size, and the people who talk bad about anything not Apple. Well now I see WP has the people talking (not sure why as the platform is incomplete), and the Lumia 900 upgrade betrayal.

    I am going to get out before Microsoft hits me again.
    Last edited by palandri; 08-16-2012 at 08:11 PM.
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    08-14-2012 09:27 AM
  2. HeyCori's Avatar
    Cool story, bro.
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    08-14-2012 09:29 AM
  3. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    Well, this is the backlash that MS has to deal with now. Some people don't care, some people are upset. They do have a right to be, you know?
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    08-14-2012 09:56 AM
  4. jimski's Avatar
    Not going to get into a platform war here, but where are you going to go? Every platform has its quirks. If you keep bouncing around you may find yourself going in circles. Too much work for me.

    Long ago I settled on a platform/ecosystem that I could trust and offered me choices/options. A platform is bigger than any one product and one needs to see the big picture. By being monogamous, might I be missing out on some of the features other platforms/ecosystems offer? Maybe. But it has sure made life simpler.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    08-14-2012 10:00 AM
  5. HeyCori's Avatar
    Well, this is the backlash that MS has to deal with now. Some people don't care, some people are upset. They do have a right to be, you know?
    People have every right to be upset but there's really nothing unique about the OP's post to warrant having its own thread. It could of been tossed into one of the other WP8 threads. And considering this is his first post... well that's just bad forum etiquette. :P
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    08-14-2012 10:03 AM
  6. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    I just want to know why he said "Stop whining" when it seems like he's doing the whining. Other than that, I understand his point of view. I might not agree with it 100 percent, but I understand it.
    08-14-2012 10:45 AM
  7. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    People have every right to be upset but there's really nothing unique about the OP's post to warrant having its own thread. It could of been tossed into one of the other WP8 threads. And considering this is his first post... well that's just bad forum etiquette. :P
    You are right of course. But you also have to look at it from his perspective. He got screwed and when you get screwed you don't just sit back and take it. It's only human and what better place is there to express this? You don't want to be just another lost voice, you want to be heard.

    But of course, the best way how you can show your feelings is with your next smartphone purchase. The WP user base is small as it is and only time will tell if MS really could afford to screw over their most dedicated and loyal users... We'll find out soon.
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    08-14-2012 10:51 AM
  8. eric12341's Avatar
    In before the close, MS never said that they will update the phones all the time. The new WPs will be guaranteed at least 18 months worth of updates which is reasonable since most contracts are 24 months long. All in all we still don't know what 7.8 will contain and this situation is no different than what apple does.
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    08-14-2012 04:11 PM
  9. thed's Avatar
    What sort of response are you expecting here? There are plenty of other threads for this topic that already exist.
    08-14-2012 04:35 PM
  10. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    In before the close, MS never said that they will update the phones all the time. The new WPs will be guaranteed at least 18 months worth of updates which is reasonable since most contracts are 24 months long. All in all we still don't know what 7.8 will contain and this situation is no different than what apple does.
    Please, let's not start this again. It's not the same.
    08-14-2012 04:36 PM
  11. eric12341's Avatar
    Please, let's not start this again. It's not the same.

    You're right, only differences are the version number and kernel change. Why do you keep trolling my posts?
    08-14-2012 05:15 PM
  12. Dave Blake's Avatar
    OP can you please link us to where Microsoft promised updates?

    This being your first post I want to welcome you to the WPC if you are seriously looking for help please respond to the some of the members here that are trying to help. If you don't wish to discuss the topic and questions in your thread than will be forced closed it.
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    08-14-2012 05:24 PM
  13. cckgz4's Avatar
    Yes go to blackberry. They are going to screw over their people again with bb10 just like they did with the os 7 update and leave legacy owners in the dust

    You can buy an android and hope your device gets pulled out of the hat by random selection for the next update.

    Or sit it out with iPhone where you can have updates for two years with the new iPhone, but have to buy new accessories cause they don't fit your phone anymore. That nifty dock clock you got will be useless with the 5

    Or get a webos device. Oh wait....


    So tired of this s***. Like this deserved a single thread on it's own
    08-14-2012 08:06 PM
  14. eric12341's Avatar
    Yes go to blackberry. They are going to screw over their people again with bb10 just like they did with the os 7 update and leave legacy owners in the dust

    You can buy an android and hope your device gets pulled out of the hat by random selection for the next update.

    Or sit it out with iPhone where you can have updates for two years with the new iPhone, but have to buy new accessories cause they don't fit your phone anymore. That nifty dock clock you got will be useless with the 5

    Or get a webos device. Oh wait....


    So tired of this s***. Like this deserved a single thread on it's own
    Wow good point, yea that port change is going to cause a huge backlash; much bigger than the 7.8 /8 one that we're going through. Worst thing about it is it's not even micro USB.
    08-14-2012 08:24 PM
  15. scottcraft's Avatar
    Wow good point, yea that port change is going to cause a huge backlash; much bigger than the 7.8 /8 one that we're going through. Worst thing about it is it's not even micro USB.
    There will be upset people over the port change for sure. Apple will probably sell an adapter for 29.99 so the new phone will work with the old stuff.
    08-14-2012 09:20 PM
  16. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    I think with that iphone port change, WP can get a chance to snag some unhappy campers over there too. But too bad there aren't many MP3 player/alarm clock docks for WP phones. Probably won't snag many, but if they get it then they can further spread the word about the WP goodness.

    Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express
    08-14-2012 10:41 PM
  17. jimski's Avatar
    You can buy an android and hope your device gets pulled out of the hat by random selection for the next update.

    Or sit it out with iPhone where you can have updates for two years with the new iPhone, but have to buy new accessories cause they don't fit your phone anymore. That nifty dock clock you got will be useless with the 5

    Or get a webos device. Oh wait....
    Thank you. Gave me good laugh tonight. The Android Update Lottery. I like it.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    08-14-2012 10:57 PM
  18. TaliZorah's Avatar
    Cool story, bro.
    Nothing more really needs to be said.
    08-15-2012 03:38 AM
  19. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    You're right, only differences are the version number and kernel change. Why do you keep trolling my posts?
    Because you keep posting things that are simply not true. You can take an iPhone 4 and run any app in the app store. With the Lumia 900, a mere 6 MONTHS after it was released, when WP8 apps start to come out, you will NOT be able to run them. That's the difference. Or rather one of the differences, I'm not going to get into the whole WP 7.8 vs 8 thing again. But it's not the same and it would be nice if you would stop spreading FUD.

    You might be right about the port change, I'll give you that. But that's another topic and nothing is official yet. Let's see how Apple handles that first and then we can comment on that.
    08-15-2012 04:55 AM
  20. eric12341's Avatar
    Because you keep posting things that are simply not true. You can take an iPhone 4 and run any app in the app store. With the Lumia 900, a mere 6 MONTHS after it was released, when WP8 apps start to come out, you will NOT be able to run them. That's the difference. Or rather one of the differences, I'm not going to get into the whole WP 7.8 vs 8 thing again. But it's not the same and it would be nice if you would stop spreading FUD.

    You might be right about the port change, I'll give you that. But that's another topic and nothing is official yet. Let's see how Apple handles that first and then we can comment on that.

    They are true for the most part, plus I don't think an app created with an iPhone 4S in mind would run smoothly on an iPhone 3GS. The only reason apps wouldn't run is if they use native code which will be in some games.
    08-15-2012 05:32 AM
  21. MrBurrrns's Avatar
    They are true for the most part, plus I don't think an app created with an iPhone 4S in mind would run smoothly on an iPhone 3GS. The only reason apps wouldn't run is if they use native code which will be in some games.
    LOL, they are true for the most part? So yo admit that for some parts they are not? :)

    Again, it's not just native code apps. The new WP8 SDK provides new APIs and improvements for the developers that are not available in WP 7.x. And you will see this in the apps, trust me. Skype is one example and you will see lots more.

    The iPhone 3GS was released in 2009. Hardly comparable to the 2012 Lumia. Still, the point stands - you can run the apps. Performance might be an issue in some games, but that's to be expected with a phone that is as old as the 3GS.
    08-15-2012 06:53 AM
  22. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    They are true for the most part, plus I don't think an app created with an iPhone 4S in mind would run smoothly on an iPhone 3GS. The only reason apps wouldn't run is if they use native code which will be in some games.
    I love your passion to defend the OS and appreciate it. However comparing a 3GS (3 year old model) with 4S apps?!

    "iPhone 4 will be able to run iPhone 4S apps but won't have SIRI" - would compare better.
    Nokia Lumia 610, 710, 800, 900, HTC Titan 1 and 2 - all are iPhone 4 here and WP8 is iPhone 4S/ iPhone 5 - and now your statement won't stand true.

    Also the statement that native code will be "only some games" still doesn't change official MSFT line - "Windows Phone 8 apps won't run on WP7.5"

    By making all WP7 guys to forcefully move to WP7.5 they have essentially killed off "iPhone 3GS" already. They can't use marketplace because they are not on Mango. Surely iPhone 3GS guys are still able to use marketplace..

    I love this OS and platform and will always do because of my loyalty to WM5.0 onwards. But, if things are not ideal and why are we all ashamed to accept it and go all defensive on this? Yes we have drawbacks, lets accept it and let WP8 do the talking!
    08-15-2012 08:36 AM
  23. scottcraft's Avatar
    Well said rocketstarzzz. Comparing the the 3GS and changing charging ports to the WP7/7.5 transition is apples to oranges, no pun intended.
    08-15-2012 08:43 AM
  24. jimski's Avatar
    Dunno. When I got my WP Surround I knew that none of the tens of thousands of WM apps, some which I had used for more than six years (and paid $500+ for), and many which still work better than anything available for WP, would not be compatible with Windows Phone. Took me about an hour to get over it.

    So, get over it. Progress marches on and there is nothing anyone can do about it. You all have choices.

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    08-15-2012 09:49 AM
  25. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Dunno. When I got my WP Surround I knew that none of the tens of thousands of WM apps, some which I had used for more than six years (and paid $500+ for), and many which still work better than anything available for WP, would not be compatible with Windows Phone. Took me about an hour to get over it.

    So, get over it. Progress marches on and there is nothing anyone can do about it. You all have choices.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro
    There is a very thin line between fanboyism and brand loyalty.

    It might have not taken an hour for you if your Windows Mobile wasn't six year old and you had spend $500 in just 6 months to buy apps.

    However, WP7 apps ARE compatible with WP8, so not the same scenario you got over in an hour. It is the progress march that is leaving people behind. Two terms: Compatibility and Reverse-Compatibility.
    08-15-2012 09:58 AM
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