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  1. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    One should not forget the fact that Nokia have had their own navigation apps long before WP. Why should they not continue that tradition?
    If the other manufacurers don't bother to develop something like that, why do you expect Nokia to just give their apps away just because they now happen to share the same phone OS?
    The Nokia branded apps aren't what I'm complaining about here. That's fine and dandy. That is theirs to claim. But when you have an app that isn't OEM branded and we all can't get it, then whats up with the OS? So, HTC has it's apps, but it's not like you don't have alternatives. The recently announced ESPN fantasy football app is ONLY on Nokia phones and to my knowledge there is no other ESPN FFL app available. Only yahoo clients. So lets say I am that customer is is teetering on the edge between Android and WP. And If I could just carry over my ESPN FFL league to my WP I'm going to change...but I don't like the Nokia phone design and the camera. Then what am I to do? I don't hate Nokia. I rather like Nokia. It's the OS thats bugging me. Maybe things will change with WP8. who knows.
    08-31-2012 06:24 AM
  2. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Consider:

    I go out and buy a Nissan Altima, because it's the car that I like and can afford.

    You show up in a shiny, new Lamborghini with the most awesome car stereo ever.

    Clearly, I should be able to demand the car stereo company to force Lamborghini to allow me to listen to your stereo any time I want.
    Last edited by GoodThings2Life; 08-31-2012 at 07:12 AM.
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    08-31-2012 06:42 AM
  3. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    It is not stupid at all.

    Nokia's sole OS is WP.

    HTC and Sammy have WP and Android.

    Nokia has one love, one life. Of course it should get all the exclusives! It must have all the attention and love from MSFT (and $$$). MSFT pays out nearly $2.5m a quarter to Nokia for this marketing and exclusivity. Why? Because Nokia isn't warming up Android's bed. Nokia has only WP in its heart. Nokia wouldn't get all these sizzle if MSFT wasn't paying out so much cash each quarter.

    Why won't MSFT do this to HTC and Sammy?

    Because they are sharing bed with Android too! They don't care so much about WP as Nokia does. MSFT gave them nearly 1.5 years worth of head start to see if they can love WP as much as Android and we all know how **** that turned out to be. So no exclusives for HTC and Sammy with or without economics classes totally makes sense. MSFT cannot invest in these companies if they don't invest back. Simple rule of life.

    I don't see a reason NOT to like Nokia if you want a WP. So the argument that new buyers who may want to try WP won't like Nokia is BS. It's like saying you want to eat McFlurry but you won't go to McD!
    08-31-2012 07:01 AM
  4. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    I don't see a reason NOT to like Nokia if you want a WP. So the argument that new buyers who may want to try WP won't like Nokia is BS. It's like saying you want to eat McFlurry but you won't go to McD!
    This analogy makes no sense. There are a few reason why people could not like a Lumia 900 or 800 now.

    -Not everyone like the design of the phone.

    - Camera is subpar, even wih the tweak

    - Can't hold wifi connections for long without have to reboot or restart connections

    why do I say this, because I was one of the first to get a Nokia Lumia 900. And so has my wife. I chose to sell my Lumia 900 and get a Titan 2. Love my Titan two more than my Lumia 900 because the camera is better and the wifi connection NEVER fails on me. Design in the 900 is better though. Also, my wife has the L900 as well...she complains all the time about her wifi and camera, but damn I sure wish I had those EXCLUSIVE APPS.

    And you Nokia fanboys are not understanding my point. My problem is not with Nokia. And app is an app is an app if it isn't Nokia, HTC, Samsung branded. On the other OS if it isn't OEM branded then everyone gets it. But not on WP. So yes, HTC and Sammy are part to blame, but why aren't those non OEM branded apps on the market for everyone? Not NOKIA Maps. Not HTC Hub. I'm talking about those official third party apps.
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    08-31-2012 07:44 AM
  5. AngryNil's Avatar
    I actually miss HTC's flashlight app. No ad's and it had a simple on/off button. I don't want ad's, morse code, strobe-light... etc. Dont need it. Just give me an ad-free app that will turn on my LED and turn it off.
    Try Flashlight XT. Also, CameraLight is currently free - pretty cluttered UI, but allows for flashlight while screen is locked.
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    08-31-2012 08:35 AM
  6. Reflexx's Avatar
    Consider that without Nokia, these apps may not go to WP7 at all.

    It's not a choice of having it on Nokia or all OEMs. It's a choice of having it on Nokia or NO OEMs.

    Nokia is paying to get these apps made. They deserve exclusivity for however long they negotiate.

    Are you saying that if HTC, Samsung, and other OEMs can't have it, then NOBODY should? Because that's what it comes down to.
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    08-31-2012 09:26 AM
  7. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    This analogy makes no sense. There are a few reason why people could not like a Lumia 900 or 800 now.

    -Not everyone like the design of the phone.

    - Camera is subpar, even wih the tweak

    - Can't hold wifi connections for long without have to reboot or restart connections
    Actually, the analogy makes perfect sense.

    You're saying you don't like McDonald's offerings because they're fatty, unhealthy, and don't taste very good... but oh, they do have good milkshakes! They should be forced to sell McD's milkshakes at Burger King and Wendy's too!

    I'm not saying your opinions of Nokia's (or McD's) products are wrong... but I AM saying your premise that everyone else should get the same stuff is wrong.

    And on that note, I'm going to find a more productive thread to follow.





    Oh, PS-- I'm not a Nokia fanboy. I've always been an HTC guy. But now that I see Nokia is throwing everything they've got at the Windows Phone platform that I love so much, well, they're starting to catch my eye, and my attitude is changing about Nokia... they're doing things right.
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    08-31-2012 10:17 AM
  8. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    It makes sense. Personally, I feel Nokia should get permanent exclusivity on these apps. After all, they're forking out the money to get these apps made, why shouldn't they be for Nokia only, permanently? Let's consider each company demands $10 million per app, that's a TON of cash to be parting with.

    Yes, I'm a HTC user on Windows Phone, my next phone will be either HTC (WP) or Nokia. But tell HTC and Samsung etc to get off Android for good and get on WP only if you want to see them get money for it, so they can get the exclusives. Like someone said, Samsung, HTC, etc, are primarily Android, couldn't give two hoots about WP, whereas Nokia are determined to see Windows Phone succeed, and want Android to fail.

    Sure, other OS's don't do the exclusive phone brand apps (that aren't their own, things like ESPN), but that's because people flock to Android for development. If WP8 really takes off then it won't be needed as developers will also flock to WP8. Without those apps, WP8 will have a much higher chance of failing. So it becomes a case of either get them to Nokia for x months, or we never get them on WP PERIOD.

    Actually, the analogy makes perfect sense.

    You're saying you don't like McDonald's offerings because they're fatty, unhealthy, and don't taste very good... but oh, they do have good milkshakes! They should be forced to sell McD's milkshakes at Burger King and Wendy's too!

    I'm not saying your opinions of Nokia's (or McD's) products are wrong... but I AM saying your premise that everyone else should get the same stuff is wrong.

    And on that note, I'm going to find a more productive thread to follow.
    Exactly, in fact, at least in the UK, you could go to McD's, and order a milkshake there, and nothing else. I do it quite a lot. So they have even LESS reason to demand that KFC, Burger King, etc, also sell those milkshakes.
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    08-31-2012 10:18 AM
  9. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    I think Nokia can actually ruin this for Windows Phone. Yes, every Nokia fan/owner will praise and defend this, but if you could just see the entire picture for a moment you can understand how this is not great for WP.

    Again, Nokia, HTC, Samsung developed apps are fine to stay on their own devices. The issue is apps that are widely available on another operating systems phones are only available to Nokia WPs. This actually makes me want to go switch to another OS where I know when an app comes out, I dont have to hope my phones manufacture paid the developer to have exclusive rights. All it does it break the bond and simplicity that WP is supposedly trying to build.

    WP is trying to become a noteworthy competitor in the phone business, why is it good to alienate customers and other manufactures to universal apps? How is that good for the OS and WP in general? I would feel the same way if any of the manufactures were doing this.

    Lets say this does work and Nokia gets what they want by being The Windows Phone. If sales are still low, Samsung and HTC might just start phoning it in, or quit producing WPs altogether. Then we would only have one device, like Apple, and no competition or choice.

    Its nice to have a choice. Granted, Nokia and any other manufacture would prefer to be the only choice, but for WP, which is trying to develop and become more popular, what Nokia is doing is just not positive for WP in general. Hopefully this does not delay apps, as they know now that they can wait for Nokia to purchase the app instead of bringing it out on their own.

    Anyway, this stuff just frustrates me a bit. :P
    I just don't think it is good to make WP more confusing to customers. I can understand if certain apps are not on WP, but are on iOS or Android, they are different platforms. I just feel that within the OS, there should be a cohesive bond.
    Last edited by Squatting Hen; 08-31-2012 at 10:52 AM.
    08-31-2012 10:37 AM
  10. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Actually, the analogy makes perfect sense.

    You're saying you don't like McDonald's offerings because they're fatty, unhealthy, and don't taste very good... but oh, they do have good milkshakes! They should be forced to sell McD's milkshakes at Burger King and Wendy's too!

    I'm not saying your opinions of Nokia's (or McD's) products are wrong... but I AM saying your premise that everyone else should get the same stuff is wrong.

    And on that note, I'm going to find a more productive thread to follow.


    Oh, PS-- I'm not a Nokia fanboy. I've always been an HTC guy. But now that I see Nokia is throwing everything they've got at the Windows Phone platform that I love so much, well, they're starting to catch my eye, and my attitude is changing about Nokia... they're doing things right.
    +1 exactly my thoughts your words! I couldn't have wrote it any better!

    Exactly, in fact, at least in the UK, you could go to McD's, and order a milkshake there, and nothing else. I do it quite a lot. So they have even LESS reason to demand that KFC, Burger King, etc, also sell those milkshakes.
    And that! So lets call all these exclusives - "milkshakes" from now on? :)
    08-31-2012 01:03 PM
  11. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    I think Nokia can actually ruin this for Windows Phone. Yes, every Nokia fan/owner will praise and defend this, but if you could just see the entire picture for a moment you can understand how this is not great for WP.

    Again, Nokia, HTC, Samsung developed apps are fine to stay on their own devices. The issue is apps that are widely available on another operating systems phones are only available to Nokia WPs. This actually makes me want to go switch to another OS where I know when an app comes out, I dont have to hope my phones manufacture paid the developer to have exclusive rights. All it does it break the bond and simplicity that WP is supposedly trying to build.

    WP is trying to become a noteworthy competitor in the phone business, why is it good to alienate customers and other manufactures to universal apps? How is that good for the OS and WP in general? I would feel the same way if any of the manufactures were doing this.

    Lets say this does work and Nokia gets what they want by being The Windows Phone. If sales are still low, Samsung and HTC might just start phoning it in, or quit producing WPs altogether. Then we would only have one device, like Apple, and no competition or choice.

    Its nice to have a choice. Granted, Nokia and any other manufacture would prefer to be the only choice, but for WP, which is trying to develop and become more popular, what Nokia is doing is just not positive for WP in general. Hopefully this does not delay apps, as they know now that they can wait for Nokia to purchase the app instead of bringing it out on their own.

    Anyway, this stuff just frustrates me a bit. :P
    I just don't think it is good to make WP more confusing to customers. I can understand if certain apps are not on WP, but are on iOS or Android, they are different platforms. I just feel that within the OS, there should be a cohesive bond.
    Finally someone who gets it and is not all over the Nokia stick. I love Nokia for what they are trying to do, but all in all MS simply wants people to use their OS. And Nokia isn't paying for those app. MS basically is writing them check to push the OS.
    08-31-2012 01:17 PM
  12. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Actually, the analogy makes perfect sense.

    You're saying you don't like McDonald's offerings because they're fatty, unhealthy, and don't taste very good... but oh, they do have good milkshakes! They should be forced to sell McD's milkshakes at Burger King and Wendy's too!

    I'm not saying your opinions of Nokia's (or McD's) products are wrong... but I AM saying your premise that everyone else should get the same stuff is wrong.

    And on that note, I'm going to find a more productive thread to follow.





    Oh, PS-- I'm not a Nokia fanboy. I've always been an HTC guy. But now that I see Nokia is throwing everything they've got at the Windows Phone platform that I love so much, well, they're starting to catch my eye, and my attitude is changing about Nokia... they're doing things right.
    Your analogy would make since if you put it THIS way

    Operating system = Fast food chain
    Nokia = McDonald's
    Burger = Lumia 900
    Special sauce = exclusive app

    Then this point you are trying to make would make more sense, but this isn't fast food. This is smartphones and apps. Another OS has it to where everyone gets special sauce. WP makes it to where only Nokia gets special sauce? Again, I am not faulting Nokia, lets be clear.

    Explain to me how it is possible for an app that is not OEM branded to be exclusive.
    Non OEM branded apps on other OS aren't exclusive. So my question is not WHY, but HOW is it possible? What in the WP framework makes it possible for those exclusive apps that are Nokia branded to only be on Nokia?
    08-31-2012 01:22 PM
  13. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Your analogy would make since if you put it THIS way

    Operating system = Fast food chain
    Nokia = McDonald's
    Burger = Lumia 900
    Special sauce = exclusive app

    Then this point you are trying to make would make more sense, but this isn't fast food. This is smartphones and apps. Another OS has it to where everyone gets special sauce. WP makes it to where only Nokia gets special sauce? Again, I am not faulting Nokia, lets be clear.

    Explain to me how it is possible for an app that is not OEM branded to be exclusive.
    Non OEM branded apps on other OS aren't exclusive. So my question is not WHY, but HOW is it possible? What in the WP framework makes it possible for those exclusive apps that are Nokia branded to only be on Nokia?
    our analogy would make since if you put it THIS way

    Operating system = Fast food chain
    Nokia = McDonald's
    Nokia WP = ALL McDonald Products
    Exclusive Apps = Exclusive McD Milkshake range

    This isn't fast food and hence the analogy.

    Another OS = another type of food chain, not fast food chain. So we don't care what another type of food chain includes. Because Pizza Hut Pizza is not same as McD Double Cheese burger - different cuisine, different OS.

    Now, if in this world McDonald's was the ONLY business that sells burgers i.e. fast food and no pizza, no chicken wings then of course it will need that added line of Milkshakes to market its value! So they add this milkshake as a meal deal with every McDonald product! Buy a burger, get milkshake free. Buy chips, get milkshake free. Buy an apple buy, get milkshake free. People start flocking to McD for just milkshakes at one point, because they are SO good!

    Now in real world, smartphone scenarios - it is possible to get ESPN (a third party app) as an exclusive app because ESPN guys were sitting in the porch sipping their long island tea counting their money they made from that Android app they launched a year ago.

    Nokia rep walked in, exchanged greetings and said "Guys here is the deal, those MSFT dudes provide us $2.5m each quarter and we have no freaking idea what to do of this. Someone suggested lets bribe those EPSN guys and get them on board. Pay them ****eload in advance so that they get off their porch and make an app. Are you interested?"

    ESPN dude said "We want $5000 advance" Nokia guy smirks and says "It's MSFT money who cares, there $7500 now go and make me an app exclusive that runs only on Nokia and keep it ready in 5 days"

    Nokia guy goes to MSFT "Listen up. You know those ESPN guys who never made even a pigeon sort of communication with you since Oct 2010, now in 2012 we've got them making an app for YOUR platform which will be ready in 5 days, but we had to pay them a little money and ask for it to be exclusive to us. Is it OK?"

    MSFT goes furious "But WHY?! I can't be partial. You ain't the only ones making my phones. What about Sammy and HTC?"

    Nokia "Well, ok we use only your OS and not other OSes. Sammy and HTC are already making all that money. We are broke, we will die, consider our partnerships we signed few months back and our loyalty?"

    MSFT "Ok, lets make it look real. You keep doing what you just did. Get us LOTS more apps. Keep them exclusive for yourself. But NOT MORE than 6 months max. Deal?"

    Nokia "Deal"

    And they lived happily ever after.
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    08-31-2012 01:43 PM
  14. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    The fast food analogy is pretty ridiculous as you can cater it to however you see fit.

    In other words, this situation can be like a McDonald’s Milkshake. You go in to McDonalds (the OS) and ask for a Chocolate Milkshake (specific app). Unfortunately to get a chocolate Milkshake you have to buy a Filet O Fish Combo (Nokia). But you don’t like fish or feel like fish right now.

    The thing is, like everything else, people will defend or support things with emotions and not always be able to look at things from the outside. It’s great we are getting apps, but this is not the best way to do it for WP.
    08-31-2012 02:17 PM
  15. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    The fast food analogy is pretty ridiculous as you can cater it to however you see fit.

    In other words, this situation can be like a McDonalds Milkshake. You go in to McDonalds (the OS) and ask for a Chocolate Milkshake (specific app). Unfortunately to get a chocolate Milkshake you have to buy a Filet O Fish Combo (Nokia). But you dont like fish or feel like fish right now.

    The thing is, like everything else, people will defend or support things with emotions and not always be able to look at things from the outside. Its great we are getting apps, but this is not the best way to do it for WP.
    It most definitely isn't the best way, but it seems like folks think it's the ONLY WAY. Which I don't believe it is not. MS is leaving it to Nokia to do the leg work to get companies to jump on the development of an app. At least that's what it looks like to me. I'm not some scorned individual complaining about exclusive apps. I just don't get he logic in it. The only people that win are Lumia owner. Screw the rest of the people who also like WP.
    08-31-2012 02:21 PM
  16. Reflexx's Avatar
    Finally someone who gets it and is not all over the Nokia stick. I love Nokia for what they are trying to do, but all in all MS simply wants people to use their OS. And Nokia isn't paying for those app. MS basically is writing them check to push the OS.
    Nokia IS paying for the apps.

    If you pay for something, should we say that you aren't paying for it, but your employer is?

    MS paid Nokia for the use of Nokia's world market licenses and some of their techology, like their maps. This stuff is getting integrated for WP users of all OEM handsets. This is Nokia proprietary technology.

    MS is also paying Nokia as part of their commitment to exclusivity.

    Nokia takes the money the rightfully earned and uses it to bring in apps from 3rd parties that would otherwise not be bringing their apps to WP7 at all. In return, they want an exclusivity period.

    MS is also doing what they can to get devs to make apps for WP. But MS can't go after everyone. And you don't notice or appreciate what MS is doing because you have access to the apps. You only notice the work that Nokia is doing and are upset that other OEMs aren't benefitting right away from that work.

    The next time you buy something for yourself, remember to also buy one for everyone else that didn't earn that money. After all, it's not your money right? You're not paying for it.
    Last edited by Winning Guy; 08-31-2012 at 02:50 PM.
    08-31-2012 02:43 PM
  17. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    Love can be blind. Whether it's for a person, device, or a company I guess. I do see the point that if Nokia paid for it, it should be theirs...but this should not be happening in an OS that is trying to gain customers and support. Wouldn't this be considered a lack of effort by MS, if Nokia is just taking MS's money and buying the apps? Why isn't MS going around the middle man (Nokia) and getting the apps on their own? Seems pretty odd to me. Does MS not care? I hope that is not the case. MS should be the one bringing Universal apps to the WP OS.

    Anyway, it doesn't matter. This is the way WP works for now. It is wrong, and should not be this way. A lot of things in life don't work the way they should. Just add this to the list.
    08-31-2012 03:44 PM
  18. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    Finally someone who gets it and is not all over the Nokia stick. I love Nokia for what they are trying to do, but all in all MS simply wants people to use their OS. And Nokia isn't paying for those app. MS basically is writing them check to push the OS.
    It took a while to flush out what you were really getting at. Your first post didn't wasn't very clear. I don't think it's really a detriment to WP, and really that's a doomsday scenario. Worst comes to worst, I wouldn't put it past MS to start pumping out its own devices, finding other OEMs that are more receptive, or creating product bundles for failing OEMs.

    Yet, it's not like MS is playing favorites. All OEMs are on equal footing save for the special arrangement that Nokia and MS made, but that's a special circumstance because Nokia is betting the farm. Outside of that Samsung and HTC could've grabbed exclusives too but they didn't and it's really no duty of MS to help them out or demand that they do beyond the original terms of their partnerships, absent some renegotiation.

    I don't understand how you can cast blame on MS when really the blame lies with other OEMs for not taking a risk/creating differentiation, except the arguments that MS isn't being flexible enough with WP or hasn't made WP as compelling for OEMs. Those are the arguments that should be at issue not Nokia grabbing third party exclusives and MS letting it happen. Nokia's just making do with what it has however it can.
    08-31-2012 04:18 PM
  19. Reflexx's Avatar
    Love can be blind. Whether it's for a person, device, or a company I guess. I do see the point that if Nokia paid for it, it should be theirs...but this should not be happening in an OS that is trying to gain customers and support. Wouldn't this be considered a lack of effort by MS, if Nokia is just taking MS's money and buying the apps? Why isn't MS going around the middle man (Nokia) and getting the apps on their own? Seems pretty odd to me. Does MS not care? I hope that is not the case. MS should be the one bringing Universal apps to the WP OS.
    MS is going after devs and trying to pay them to bring over apps. Even paying some. You just don't notice it because all you see is an app in the Marketplace.

    But MS doesn't have relationships with everyone for every app.

    Nokia has taken the initiative to go after some developers on their own.

    Just because Nokia is doing it doesnt mean that MS isn't.


    Anyway, it doesn't matter. This is the way WP works for now. It is wrong, and should not be this way. A lot of things in life don't work the way they should. Just add this to the list.
    What is "wrong?"

    Would it be less "wrong" if these apps didn't make it to WP at all? Then everyone could equally miss out entirely?
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    08-31-2012 04:53 PM
  20. power5's Avatar
    Fast food analogy should be
    Mobile market= fast food
    os=McDonald's, burger king, wendys
    nokia=Mcdonalds
    Nokia Wp apps=McDonald's entire menu
    All other apps exclusive to nokia=coca cola soft drinks

    But you can not get coke at burger king any more because it's exclusive to mcdonalds and burger king and Wendy's customers can not have it anymore. But if you go with sonic or rally's you can still get coke. Only Wendy's and burger king are not able to get it.

    Not favorable for the WP customers.

    Hopefully more acceptance of WP will get rid of this though.
    08-31-2012 05:01 PM
  21. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    MS is going after devs and trying to pay them to bring over apps. Even paying some. You just don't notice it because all you see is an app in the Marketplace.

    But MS doesn't have relationships with everyone for every app.

    Nokia has taken the initiative to go after some developers on their own.

    Just because Nokia is doing it doesnt mean that MS isn't.



    What is "wrong?"

    Would it be less "wrong" if these apps didn't make it to WP at all? Then everyone could equally miss out entirely?
    Again, we just disagree. MS should be in charge of bring these apps to their OS, not one of their manufactures. It just breaks the ecosystem. I do not believe these apps would not be coming to the market without Nokia. They will. The developers should want to bring them and MS should be helping with that. Granted the install base is very minimal at the moment which may cause developers not to publish to WP. Maybe we can get some of those cheap Android manufactures to make a windows phone and purchase top apps that are not out yet. Would that make you as happy?

    I am glad that HTC and Samsung are not doing this. It would be even more upsetting. You shouldn't need three different phones on the same OS to access the same apps that other devices on other OS's have. Take a step back and see how this can get really bad if it starts a trend. If this continues, and other manufactures start following in Nokia's footsteps, it will just hinder WP.

    It's good business for Nokia, just bad business for WP cusomers.

    What we don't need:

    If I want instragram on WP I have to use a HTC Phone.
    If I want to play EA games I have to get a Samsung.
    If I want Big Fish Games I have to get a Nokia.

    Screw it, I just get an iphone or an Android so I can have everything.
    Last edited by Squatting Hen; 08-31-2012 at 05:15 PM.
    08-31-2012 05:09 PM
  22. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    The developers should want to bring them and MS should be helping with that. Granted the install base is very minimal at the moment which may cause developers not to publish to WP. Maybe we can get some of those cheap Android manufactures to make a windows phone and purchase top apps that are not out yet. Would that make you as happy?
    He just said and it's known that MS has been putting down cash to not only court developers but help them in building their apps for WP.

    I am glad that HTC and Samsung are not doing this. It would be even more upsetting. You shouldn't need three different phones on the same OS to access the same apps that other devices on other OS's have. Take a step back and see how this can get really bad if it starts a trend. If this continues, and other manufactures start following in Nokia's footsteps, it will just hinder WP.

    It's good business for Nokia, just bad business for WP cusomers.

    What we don't need:

    If I want instragram on WP I have to use a HTC Phone.
    If I want to play EA games I have to get a Samsung.
    If I want Big Fish Games I have to get a Nokia.

    Screw it, I just get an iphone or an Android so I can have everything.
    I agree to an extent, but it's doomsday scenario and in that worst case people would make their complaints known through their wallets, particularly against app developers.

    If a trend is started then the only ecosystems that would be safe would probably be iPhone or BB. You don't think that all parties would do the same for Android? Of course they would.

    But even if it did happen how do we know the fallout would be that bad? The void would leave open a chance for upcoming app developers to dominate on other manufacturer phones at the loss of the developer who thought it was smart to stay exclusive, and in that instance there could be an even better app.

    Nevertheless, I think it's an unfounded belief to think that things wouldn't correct themselves before they got that far into that doomsday scenario. Exclusivity deals come at a price for both parties, whether in how much money is being dropped or how much opportunity is lost by staying exclusive to one party. I would think all parties aren't needlessly foolish or greedy.
    08-31-2012 07:02 PM
  23. Reflexx's Avatar
    Again, we just disagree. MS should be in charge of bring these apps to their OS, not one of their manufactures.
    Nobody is "in charge" of this. Both MS and Nokia want to bring apps to the ecosystem. HTC and Samsung SHOULD want to. But apparently when they don't do squat, they get a pass. Instead, you blame the company that is actively trying to provide extra value to its customers.

    It just breaks the ecosystem. I do not believe these apps would not be coming to the market without Nokia. They will.
    It does not break the ecosystem. Where do you even get that idea? Nothing is broken. I'm not even sure if you know what you mean when you say "breaks the ecosystem."

    As for the apps coming... they weren't. It took a company to actually take real initiative to bring these apps over.

    The developers should want to bring them and MS should be helping with that.
    MS has been trying to help with that. They haven't been sitting on their butts. They've been actively trying to recruit developers to make apps. What makes you think that they haven't been trying?

    Granted the install base is very minimal at the moment which may cause developers not to publish to WP.
    This isn't a small issue. It's a BIG reason why devs don't make WP apps. It's hard to make money with a small install base.

    Heck, it's hard to make money with a big install base like Apple and Android have. It's super hard with a small install base.

    Maybe we can get some of those cheap Android manufactures to make a windows phone and purchase top apps that are not out yet. Would that make you as happy?
    If some of those companies took the initiative and spent the time and resources to bring those apps over, then more power to them. Good for them. I hope it works out for them. Much better than it not coming over at all.

    And if the exclusivity period isn't permanent, but only a few months, then that's a bonus. That means that they spent their own time and resources so that eventually everyone could benefit.

    But then there would be people that would complain about it because they want the benefit of other peoples' work.

    I am glad that HTC and Samsung are not doing this. It would be even more upsetting. You shouldn't need three different phones on the same OS to access the same apps that other devices on other OS's have. Take a step back and see how this can get really bad if it starts a trend. If this continues, and other manufactures start following in Nokia's footsteps, it will just hinder WP.
    This is only while WP has a small install base and developers aren't choosing to come of their own accord.

    If Samsung and HTC did the same thing as Nokia, that would be awesome.

    Why?

    Because 3-6 months later, after the exclusivity period ends, we'd have tons more apps available for everyone.

    It's good business for Nokia, just bad business for WP cusomers.
    No.

    Not having the apps come at all would be bad.

    Some people having to wait a few months for an exclusivity period to end isn't that big a deal.

    What we don't need:

    If I want instragram on WP I have to use a HTC Phone.
    If I want to play EA games I have to get a Samsung.
    If I want Big Fish Games I have to get a Nokia.

    Screw it, I just get an iphone or an Android so I can have everything.
    Then go get an iPhone or Android.

    Because until WP has a bigger install base, these devs won't come over unless someone entices them to.

    Most of this may be moot soon enough anyway with Windows Phone 8 being so similar to Windows 8, making it cheap for devs to port apps. That, and the support of the Unity game engine which allows easy and cheap ports.
    wolf1891 likes this.
    08-31-2012 07:20 PM
  24. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    That's great. We still disagree. You think it's great, I don't. It doesn't matter. Have a good night.
    08-31-2012 07:43 PM
  25. power5's Avatar
    I'm sorry, how is MS helping? I have not seen a single windows phone ad. I have seen a few Nokia windows phones ads, but not MS ads.
    08-31-2012 07:44 PM
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