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09-12-2012 12:33 AM
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  1. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    I will make it quick.

    Personally I don't like Joe Belfiore and Steve Ballmer, I think Microsoft needs a new visage.
    Someone charismatic, smart and classy. Right now all I see is Ballmer the sweating and out of breath pittbul and Belfiore the nerd.

    These two are not charismatic, now these guys may be smart, but I either fall asleep or switch to the next video when they hold an event...

    I did like Steve Job, that guy was smart, greedy, classy and charismatic. All the qualities needed to be successful.

    I think it the main problem of Microsoft is it's visage...

    Maybe you think otherwise or you have something else to say, feel free to comment as long as it's respectfull.
    Last edited by Simon Tupper; 09-08-2012 at 04:20 PM.
    09-08-2012 03:11 PM
  2. Gergolos's Avatar
    totally true!
    09-08-2012 04:17 PM
  3. scottcraft's Avatar
    Joe Belfiore is a good speaker. He could use a haircut though.
    snowmutt likes this.
    09-08-2012 04:43 PM
  4. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Joe Belfiore is a good speaker. He could use a haircut though.
    So true hahaha, but I don't feel like he's 100% behind his products when he speaks. No passion, only words.
    09-08-2012 04:46 PM
  5. smoledman's Avatar
    So true hahaha, but I don't feel like he's 100% behind his products when he speaks. No passion, only words.
    Or maybe he's made the same presentation 100x already and is a bit bored.
    09-08-2012 04:48 PM
  6. Reflexx's Avatar
    Belfiore loves what he does. But I don't know if he likes presenting things. He seems like a natural introvert.

    Steve Sinofsky is great at speaking. Would love to see him more often.
    Or heck, what about Ben the PC Guy? He'd probably be great.

    They often have engineers and designers up there because they want to give credit to the teams that are actually doing the work.

    But it might be better to have people from Sales and Marketing instead. Or at least up there with the engineer/designer.
    fdigiorgio likes this.
    09-08-2012 04:53 PM
  7. jfa1's Avatar
    Hows about we replace Ballmer with Steven Elop? That would be a good start. I like Joe B. I think he does a pretty good job with the phones He seems kinda cool and hip to me maybe its because he's younger than I am as are most of the guys here at WPC!
    09-08-2012 05:24 PM
  8. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    Ballmer definitely needs to refine his look. I think there's no way of fixing his presentation style. As for Belifiore, I like his presentations. He definitely likes what he does, he's just expresses his enthusiasm in a kind of geeky manner or that "standard" MS evangelist way (if you've been to MS events in the past you'll know what I mean).
    09-08-2012 05:25 PM
  9. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Ballmer definitely needs to refine his look. I think there's no way of fixing his presentation style. As for Belifiore, I like his presentations. He definitely likes what he does, he's just expresses his enthusiasm in a kind of geeky manner or that "standard" MS evangelist way (if you've been to MS events in the past you'll know what I mean).
    That's the problem... Microsoft is stuck in the past...
    09-08-2012 05:30 PM
  10. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Hows about we replace Ballmer with Steven Elop? That would be a good start. I like Joe B. I think he does a pretty good job with the phones He seems kinda cool and hip to me maybe its because he's younger than I am as are most of the guys here at WPC!
    Elop is not a good replacement... I want someone CHA-RI-SMA-TIC... Elop is boring...
    09-08-2012 05:32 PM
  11. 12Danny123's Avatar
    That's the problem... Microsoft is stuck in the past...
    it's not MS. it's Ballmers's style. he looks very 90s like. as for Joe. he's got the cool look in him while trying to present stuff. and Steven he's a good talker. I think Steven and Joe, especially Joe look more modern and more hip and cool than Steve Ballmer.
    09-08-2012 05:33 PM
  12. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    it's not MS. it's Ballmers's style. he looks very 90s like. as for Joe. he's got the cool look in him while trying to present stuff. and Steven he's a good talker. I think Steven and Joe, especially Joe look more modern and more hip and cool than Steve Ballmer.
    True, Belfiore is better than Ballmer, but I don't think these guys are in the big league... You don't WANT to buy what they show you... it more like "Interesting..."

    I wish Microsoft had it's own Steve Job, a guy would be able to sell you a pizza with a touch screen on it and convince you that it's the best thing you will ever have.
    09-08-2012 05:40 PM
  13. 12Danny123's Avatar
    True, Belfiore is better than Ballmer, but I don't think these guys are in the big league... You don't WANT to buy what they show you... it more like "Interesting..."

    I wish Microsoft had it's own Steve Job, a guy would be able to sell you a pizza with a touch screen on it and convince you that it's the best thing you will ever have.
    bill gates? the charity loves him
    09-08-2012 05:40 PM
  14. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Simon... did you just say you liked Steve Jobs because he's greedy?

    Anyway, I don't like Ballmer very much, but I DO like Belfiore a lot. He's amazingly talented and actually quite well-liked by the general public.

    Ballmer, whether I like him or not, is a great speaker though. He is very amusing and enthusiastic... all you have to do is watch him work up a sweat shouting Developers! Developers! Developers! to know that he loves what he does. It wasn't his presentation to give though, hence the more cameo-like appearance.

    I agree with Winning Guy about Ben Rudolph or Steve Sinofsky for presentations though... both of them should be the ones speaking for every Microsoft event. They are extroverted nerds, and very charismatic, enthusiastic, and quite brilliant.
    09-08-2012 05:48 PM
  15. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    bill gates? the charity loves him
    Well Bill Gates was fine, but he's no more involved in what Microsoft do... he just sit back and get the money, Idont even know if he know his products... maybe?
    09-08-2012 05:49 PM
  16. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    Well Bill Gates was fine, but he's no more involved in what Microsoft do... he just sit back and get the money, Idont even know if he know his products... maybe?
    Don't be nave, of course he knows what's going on. :)
    09-08-2012 05:55 PM
  17. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Simon... did you just say you liked Steve Jobs because he's greedy?

    Anyway, I don't like Ballmer very much, but I DO like Belfiore a lot. He's amazingly talented and actually quite well-liked by the general public.

    Ballmer, whether I like him or not, is a great speaker though. He is very amusing and enthusiastic... all you have to do is watch him work up a sweat shouting Developers! Developers! Developers! to know that he loves what he does. It wasn't his presentation to give though, hence the more cameo-like appearance.

    I agree with Winning Guy about Ben Rudolph or Steve Sinofsky for presentations though... both of them should be the ones speaking for every Microsoft event. They are extroverted nerds, and very charismatic, enthusiastic, and quite brilliant.
    I agree, they are way more interesting.

    Being greedy is good for a guy like Steve Job, who was able to be classy at the same time.
    Not like Ballmer who shouts "We are trying to make absolutely clear:
    We are not going to leave any space uncovered to Apple
    We are not." This is not what a winner would say... it was almost pathetic to hear that...
    09-08-2012 05:56 PM
  18. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Don't be nave, of course he knows what's going on. :)
    I thought he would say a few words about WP8 and Windows 8, but not a single word from the guy who created Microsoft... I think he don't care anymore, he's old now and it seems like he ran away from his own company. I still hope a comeback tho.
    09-08-2012 06:00 PM
  19. AngryNil's Avatar
    So true hahaha, but I don't feel like he's 100% behind his products when he speaks. No passion, only words.
    I don't think you know what you're talking about.
    09-08-2012 06:02 PM
  20. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I thought he would say a few words about WP8 and Windows 8, but not a single word from the guy who created Microsoft... I think he don't care anymore, he's old now and it seems like he ran away from his own company. I still hope a comeback tho.
    Of course he knows about the the three screen operation. he's not that dumb. He's maybe the one of the most caring billionaires
    09-08-2012 06:04 PM
  21. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I thought he would say a few words about WP8 and Windows 8, but not a single word from the guy who created Microsoft... I think he don't care anymore, he's old now and it seems like he ran away from his own company. I still hope a comeback tho.
    Gates did what every leader should do... turn over the reigns and move on with life. If you can't it makes you a control freak, and nobody respects that.

    And just look at the exciting philanthropy projects he has going on. Very cool stuff!

    But Gates most definitely knows general ideas of what's going on at Microsoft. He's still on the board of directors.
    09-08-2012 06:04 PM
  22. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I agree, they are way more interesting.

    Being greedy is good for a guy like Steve Job, who was able to be classy at the same time.
    Not like Ballmer who shouts "We are trying to make absolutely clear:
    We are not going to leave any space uncovered to Apple
    We are not." This is not what a winner would say... it was almost pathetic to hear that...
    Not really being greedy is not good. especially in charities. Steve Jobs was good at tech but horrible in helping the communities. that's why people don't care about him in the real world
    09-08-2012 06:08 PM
  23. Kredrian's Avatar
    While I agree that it would be good to have a charismatic individual to be the "face" of MS, I would rather they simply continue to provide innovative and sexy products. In the end I am buying the product, not the person.

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    09-08-2012 06:31 PM
  24. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    I think GT2L made a good suggestion with Ben Rudolph. He'd be a good general presenter. Him and maybe that one fat dude that did the Surface keynote with Sinofsky.

    Speaking of Sinofsky, he's only okay for me. If it's not his baby he's not a good speaker in my opinion. Watching that Surface announcement they should've just had the designer do the entire thing because Surface is that guy's baby. This idea is also the reason why I approve of Belfiore for Windows Phone and not Myerson.
    09-08-2012 06:39 PM
  25. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I think GT2L made a good suggestion with Ben Rudolph. He'd be a good general presenter. Him and maybe that one fat dude that did the Surface keynote with Sinofsky.

    Speaking of Sinofsky, he's only okay for me. If it's not his baby he's not a good speaker in my opinion. Watching that Surface announcement they should've just had the designer do the entire thing because Surface is that guy's baby. This idea is also the reason why I approve of Belfiore for Windows Phone and not Myerson.
    Michael Angiulo for fat dude?
    09-08-2012 06:52 PM
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