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  1. FinancialP's Avatar
    The masses care much more about cost than they do about the availability of updates.
    I wish more people would understand this. This can stop a ton of the silly arguments around here.

    Comment/Statement of the day.
    03-05-2013 05:12 PM
  2. tqlla3k's Avatar
    1) The price of those "free" smartphones is just hidden in the carriers monthly service costs, making U.S. carriers the most expensive in the world. U.S. consumers are essentially just buying their smartphones on credit. Nothing is ever free.
    2) Most people in the world buy their devices off contract. If you're assuming that most of the world's phone markets work as in western Europe or the U.S. you would be completely wrong.
    3) I don't know about the U.S. , but in Europe pay-as-you-go plans are very popular. For consumers thinking about that approach, the unsubsidized upfront cost of a device is a major factor. That is precisely the reason the Lumia 800 has been the most successful Lumia smartphone to date.

    WP7 remains successful, primarily due to its great price/performance ratio, and despite the apps issue.

    Dead means "you get nothing". Clearly, WP7 owners are getting something, so clearly it is not dead. Whether you like what you are getting is an entirely different matter.

    Yes, they have been. An app targeted at WP7 can also run on WP8. Since WP7 devices outnumber WP8 devices, developers have a large incentive to stick with WP7 for the time being. It's about money. I can't say for sure, but that is very likely the approach the BBC took with their recently released iPlayer app, which runs on both.

    I'm not saying every app will run on WP7, but many will, and that will continue for quite some time.

    Calling WP7 dead is just a silly over dramatization. It may no longer be appeal to enthusiasts, but that isn't the same thing as being "dead".
    WP 7.8 is a buggy update, thats 7 months late. Its like a new suit put on a dead mean. He is still dead, even though he is being buried in a new suit. Its been over a month, and they havent even fixed the buggy livetiles, which is costing users money.

    new 3rd party WP7 apps? Where? Go to the homepage and scroll down. Outside of Nokia apps for Nokia phones, there are very few WP7 apps being developed. Even the Microsoft made "Datasense" a WP8 app and its carrier exclusive? WHY! Thats basic functionality of almost all smartphones(outside of Windows Phones).

    WP7 is as dead as WebOS when the touchpad firesale happened.
    03-05-2013 05:27 PM
  3. a5cent's Avatar
    WP 7.8 is a buggy update, thats 7 months late.
    Yes, buggy and late. The portico update also had a few bugs. Surely, many would agree that updates to WP8 are also late. So, is WP8 dead too? I think that makes it clear just how ridiculous your reasoning is. I'm not saying everything in WP7 land is fine and dandy. I'm only saying your complaints are entirely unrelated to WP7 being declared dead.

    new 3rd party WP7 apps? Where? Go to the homepage and scroll down. Outside of Nokia apps for Nokia phones, there are very few WP7 apps being developed.
    I looked at the latest ten apps that WPC wrote articles on (excluding Nokia's which improves WP7's standing further still). The majority of them also run on WP7:

    Disqus 7.5
    Ascendo Dictionaries 8
    ConsoTracker 8
    Official Twitter 7.5
    How To Watch 7.5
    Pro Shot 8
    Web Apps 8
    Audio Cloud 7.5
    Vimeo 7.5
    Photosynth 7.5

    If WP7 were dead, none of the above would run or receive updates on WP7.

    Even the Microsoft made "Datasense" a WP8 app and its carrier exclusive? WHY! Thats basic functionality of almost all smartphones(outside of Windows Phones). WP7 is as dead as WebOS when the touchpad firesale happened.
    I agree that Datasense should be available to everyone. However, your argument that WP7 is dead because a WP8 feature is exclusive to Verizon is completely insane. At this point I'm convinced that you are completely baffled by the definition of the word "dead". You are confusing it with "something I don't like".
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    03-05-2013 06:14 PM
  4. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    There is so much drama in this thread it's just silly. Windows 7.8 still works fine on my Lumia 900 and I'm still finding new apps.

    I think part of the problem is that many people bought a cutting edge WP7 device right before WP8 was announced. For example, my Lumia 900 that I bought in April 2012. It's really not Microsoft's fault that Nokia was releasing a "flagship" phone a couple months before MS was going to announce WP8. Nokia knew that WP8 was coming and they would have known that WP8 was not going to be supported on the previous generation hardware. Was MS supposed to send out a press release (prior to their WP8 announcement) warning everyone not to buy Nokia's Lumia 900? It's really not even Nokia's fault as they released the Lumia 800 a full year before WP8 was released and it just wasn't picked up by any of the US carriers. Instead we had to wait 6 more months for AT&Ts customized Lumia 900 to be released which by then was only 6 months prior to WP8 (and WP7 was two years old at that point). To some extent Apple doesn't have this problem because they control the hardware, but Apple is also so secretive that people still get stuck buying a new iPhone X weeks before the iPhone X+1 is released. Android is well known for releasing updates that won't run on 6 month old hardware. MS kept WP7 going for two years and they are still maintaining it (7.8 is only a few weeks old). It's not their fault that manufacturers and carriers were just starting to build serious phones after two years.

    Also, there seems to be a serious logic problem here. Apple does the same thing with every release of iOS. iOS 6 is only fully supported on the iPhone 5. You can upgrade the iPhone 4S to "iOS 6", but it won't support all of the features. The iPhone 4 is missing even more features. How is this any different than WP7.8? WP7.8 is an update that can be installed on previous generation hardware and contains some of the functionality of WP8. Would it make people feel better if MS had named it WP8 and had a footnote explaining that some functionality of WP8 is only supported on new generation phones? The end result is the same. They only difference is how each company arbitrarily versions their OS.

    Anyone buying a WP7 device today is buying it for the same reason that people buy an iPhone 4S or previous generation Android today. It's cheaper.

    Finally, I personally give MS a little slack on this one considering that WP7 is version 1.x of the WP platform so some breaking changes are to be expected early on. Having said that, even my Lumia 900 is going on a year old now. A year old is like 50 years old in smart phone years. I don't expect my smart phone to be cutting edge at this point. In another year (or less) it will be in a recycle bin somewhere. This is the reality of mobile computing and I don't really think MS has handled this any better or worse than the competition.
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    03-05-2013 06:44 PM
  5. tqlla3k's Avatar
    I said new apps. Not old apps with updates
    That leave you with Disquss and How to watch. NotifyMe is WP8 to start, don't hold your breath on WP7. Photosynth is a 1st party.

    The Datasense thing doesn't even make sense. Everyone should a way to monitor their Data. People have to pay for Data, people have to watch their data. The fact that its WP8, and carrier locked is ridiculous. My point being, MSFT isn't looking out for their customers needs. They just put out a 7.8 bug that eats data...... too bad you cant monitor your data usage with WP7(unless you have a nokia).
    03-05-2013 11:02 PM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    I said new apps. Not old apps with updates). That leave you with Disquss and How to watch.
    Yes, and how many new WP8 exclusives were on that list? One! So, of three new apps, two run on WP7!

    Two out of three doesn't sound half bad, particularly since we've applied your "distortion field" which requires us to ignore 1st party apps, ignore all the extra customer care provided to 75% of WP7 owners (Nokia customers), and ignore all the WP7 app updates which occur on a daily basis.

    I'd say you are going out of your way to feel negative about something. You are ignoring-away half of reality and even then WP7 is far from dead.

    My point being, MSFT isn't looking out for their customers needs.
    If that is the point you are trying to make, sure, such an argument can be made. I would simply ask you to do so in the correct thread. This thread asks the question whether WP7 is dead, which has nothing to do with the point you are apparently trying to communicate.

    I bought a Lumia 800 on the day it was released. It did what I needed it to then. It still does what I need it to do now. It still gets new apps all the time. All the apps I use still get regular updates. Just yesterday all of my Synology apps (that interface with my NAS) got updates, which is awesome. By now, it really must be clear to everyone reading along that WP7 is not yet dead. Heading off into the sunset (just as WP8 is), yes, dead, no!
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    03-07-2013 05:35 AM
  7. tqlla3k's Avatar
    Obviously you are missing the point. WP7 is dead because Microsoft isnt supporting us. They havent had our interests in mind.... from the beginning. The designed WP7 and WP8 in parallel, and released WP7, knowing their wouldnt be an upgrade path for us.

    WP8 is suffering because Microsoft needed to build on their base, rather than abandon their base.... AGAIN.
    03-07-2013 10:04 AM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Obviously you are missing the point. WP7 is dead because Microsoft isnt supporting us. They havent had our interests in mind.... from the beginning. The designed WP7 and WP8 in parallel, and released WP7, knowing their wouldnt be an upgrade path for us.

    WP8 is suffering because Microsoft needed to build on their base, rather than abandon their base.... AGAIN.
    I fail to see your logic in this matter. I'm not picking on you per se, but you keep saying that WP7 is dead because of x, y & z. Using your logic, Apple abandoned its users when they went from iOS 3 to 4 and then again when they went from 4 to 5 and so on. There are a ton of Android apps that require 4.0 and up to function. Did Google abandon all their FroYo and GingerBread customers as well? Certainly not. It's called progress. If you buy a phone, or any other product for that matter, expecting it to perform the same way newer products do in the future, then you're delusional. I'm not buying a new F-150 today expecting Ford to give me that diesel engine they've been promising 3 years from now. If you don't like the current crop of phones now, stick with what you've got. Nobody says you HAVE to get a new phone every two years.
    03-07-2013 11:56 AM
  9. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    I just poked my Titan II with a stick and it didn't move.
    03-07-2013 12:15 PM
  10. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I just poked my Titan II with a stick and it didn't move.
    It's dead Jim.
    03-07-2013 02:19 PM
  11. MikeSo's Avatar
    It's pretty dead. The silver lining though is that there were never any apps to begin with for windows phone so it doesn't feel that much different.
    LOL. Sad but true. That's how I feel about it as well. Not much difference in how I use my Lumia 900 now vs how it was when there was "active" development for it.
    03-07-2013 03:01 PM
  12. tqlla3k's Avatar
    I just poked my Titan II with a stick and it didn't move.
    Were you ever able to get MMS working on your TitanII?
    03-07-2013 05:11 PM
  13. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    Were you ever able to get MMS working on your TitanII?
    Not with Straight Talk. HTC never updated the app that was required.
    03-07-2013 05:41 PM
  14. tqlla3k's Avatar
    Not with Straight Talk. HTC never updated the app that was required.
    Bummer. I am on Straight talk with the Titan II. :(
    03-07-2013 11:00 PM
  15. a5cent's Avatar
    Obviously you are missing the point. WP7 is dead because Microsoft isnt supporting us.
    It is hard to grasp your point, when you keep changing the focus of your argument in every post.

    Your last remaining argument, that WP7 is dead because MS isn't updating WP7 to the extent it should, is the only one that isn't born out of emotional overreaction. I agree it has some merit. However, I disagree that this alone justifies declaring WP7 dead (see my earlier post #68 for what I think is a reasonable definition of "dead"). If in your view, this alone justifies calling WP7 dead, despite the proof that the WP7 app ecosystem is still expanding and evolving, then I think you are just being a drama queen.

    If this is your definition of dead, then sure, WP7 is dead, in the same way my 12 year old dog is dead, who doesn't learn new tricks as quickly as he once did.
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    03-08-2013 04:16 AM
  16. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    It's dead Jim.
    or unconscious
    03-08-2013 04:42 AM
  17. tqlla3k's Avatar
    It is hard to grasp your point, when you keep changing the focus of your argument in every post.

    Your last remaining argument, that WP7 is dead because MS isn't updating WP7 to the extent it should, is the only one that isn't born out of emotional overreaction. I agree it has some merit. However, I disagree that this alone justifies declaring WP7 dead (see my earlier post #68 for what I think is a reasonable definition of "dead"). If in your view, this alone justifies calling WP7 dead, despite the proof that the WP7 app ecosystem is still expanding and evolving, then I think you are just being a drama queen.

    If this is your definition of dead, then sure, WP7 is dead, in the same way my 12 year old dog is dead, who doesn't learn new tricks as quickly as he once did.
    Your dog will die if you stop feeding him. As a community, we rely on Microsoft for support.

    Microsoft even updated Skype for IOs. Its still in garbage mode for WP.
    03-08-2013 08:09 AM
  18. a5cent's Avatar
    Your dog will die if you stop feeding him. As a community, we rely on Microsoft for support.

    Microsoft even updated Skype for IOs. Its still in garbage mode for WP.
    Absolutely agree, the thing is, MS is not the only company that can make dog food. We just ain't gettin' no more doggie buscuits ;-)
    03-08-2013 08:52 AM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    or unconscious
    I think you missed my Star Trek homge.
    03-08-2013 09:07 AM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Your dog will die if you stop feeding him. As a community, we rely on Microsoft for support.

    Microsoft even updated Skype for IOs. Its still in garbage mode for WP.
    Not so fast. We rely on carriers blessing Microsoft updates.
    03-08-2013 09:09 AM
  21. Mike Arena's Avatar
    Every Windows 7 phone wears a red shirt, so yes they are doomed.
    03-08-2013 09:16 AM
  22. tqlla3k's Avatar
    Absolutely agree, the thing is, MS is not the only company that can make dog food. We just ain't gettin' no more doggie buscuits ;-)
    I dont know if you are from the US. But there were some sad stories a few years ago about Homeowners "strategically" forclosing on their homes, and leaving their pets locked in the house.

    Microsoft strategically forclosed on WP7.5, and left us in that house. They couldnt even leave us with a working 7.8
    03-08-2013 10:26 AM
  23. a5cent's Avatar
    I dont know if you are from the US. But there were some sad stories a few years ago about Homeowners "strategically" forclosing on their homes, and leaving their pets locked in the house.
    Yeah, a lot of Americans haven't had it easy these past few years, incl. their pets :-(

    I'm from Switzerland.

    I get what you are saying. At this point I think it is clear, that our disagreement revolves more around how you have been expressing your frustrations as opposed to the actual substance. According to WPC's last podcast, MS is prepared to fix the issues with 7.8, so at least you won't be stuck with those problems forever.
    03-08-2013 11:54 AM
  24. Jay_wpcentral's Avatar
    There is so much drama in this thread it's just silly. Windows 7.8 still works fine on my Lumia 900 and I'm still finding new apps.

    I think part of the problem is that many people bought a cutting edge WP7 device right before WP8 was announced. For example, my Lumia 900 that I bought in April 2012. It's really not Microsoft's fault that Nokia was releasing a "flagship" phone a couple months before MS was going to announce WP8. Nokia knew that WP8 was coming and they would have known that WP8 was not going to be supported on the previous generation hardware. Was MS supposed to send out a press release (prior to their WP8 announcement) warning everyone not to buy Nokia's Lumia 900? It's really not even Nokia's fault as they released the Lumia 800 a full year before WP8 was released and it just wasn't picked up by any of the US carriers. Instead we had to wait 6 more months for AT&Ts customized Lumia 900 to be released which by then was only 6 months prior to WP8 (and WP7 was two years old at that point). To some extent Apple doesn't have this problem because they control the hardware, but Apple is also so secretive that people still get stuck buying a new iPhone X weeks before the iPhone X+1 is released. Android is well known for releasing updates that won't run on 6 month old hardware. MS kept WP7 going for two years and they are still maintaining it (7.8 is only a few weeks old). It's not their fault that manufacturers and carriers were just starting to build serious phones after two years.

    Also, there seems to be a serious logic problem here. Apple does the same thing with every release of iOS. iOS 6 is only fully supported on the iPhone 5. You can upgrade the iPhone 4S to "iOS 6", but it won't support all of the features. The iPhone 4 is missing even more features. How is this any different than WP7.8? WP7.8 is an update that can be installed on previous generation hardware and contains some of the functionality of WP8. Would it make people feel better if MS had named it WP8 and had a footnote explaining that some functionality of WP8 is only supported on new generation phones? The end result is the same. They only difference is how each company arbitrarily versions their OS.

    Anyone buying a WP7 device today is buying it for the same reason that people buy an iPhone 4S or previous generation Android today. It's cheaper.

    Finally, I personally give MS a little slack on this one considering that WP7 is version 1.x of the WP platform so some breaking changes are to be expected early on. Having said that, even my Lumia 900 is going on a year old now. A year old is like 50 years old in smart phone years. I don't expect my smart phone to be cutting edge at this point. In another year (or less) it will be in a recycle bin somewhere. This is the reality of mobile computing and I don't really think MS has handled this any better or worse than the competition.

    I am yet to read a better argument then this. Kudos! very well written.

    I own a phone 7.5 and ended up buying a phone 8, just a little over two months later. Am I upset that my old phone is extinct? Not really. I use that as a backup when my new phone runs out of battery or being do some other stuff. I still use my phone 7.5 and I see most of the apps are still available for it. No, I don't think phone 7 is dead. If anything, I am glad it is still around as cheaper phones will continue to make the most of it.
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    03-08-2013 12:15 PM
  25. Traderhorn's Avatar
    i think it is 7.8 will be the last update, am thinking to upgrade to version 8, and my radar 7.5 will be used as work phone,
    it will still function even if no support, and it has worked with out fault.
    03-09-2013 02:46 PM
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