View Poll Results: Should Windows Phone support Flash?

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    56 45.53%
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    67 54.47%
01-16-2016 09:55 AM
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  1. bilzkh's Avatar
    flash always crashed my ie 11 on my windows 8.1 machine ,I compared the cpu usage from task manager and the results were :- when the flash was turned on cpu usage was at 88-95% with ram almost 70% used (just playing a video from YouTube in ie 11) , when I disabled it and turned on html5 from YouTube settings the results were :- cpu usage 35-40% , ram usage 40% , flash player is a resource hog and windows update keeps on throwing flash layer updates every month .
    conclusion :- I don't want a buggy , outdated/not supported feature on my windows phone , even apple (ios) does not flash player , they discontinued it in 2009 I believe.
    I never had any problems using Flash on IE Metro with my Surface Pro *nor* with my Surface 2.
    02-16-2014 12:47 AM
  2. Himanshu Chowdhary's Avatar
    I never had any problems using Flash on IE Metro with my Surface Pro *nor* with my Surface 2.
    you have a surface pro 2 ( a beast in specs) but I have a 2009 , dual core processor with 2 gb ram
    02-16-2014 01:05 AM
  3. TechAbstract's Avatar
    I hope IE11 on WP8.1 has Flash built in. The reason my sister is using Surface over iPad because IE in Windows RT has built in Flash. Wouldn't hurt to have an option to it turn on or off.
    02-16-2014 01:31 AM
  4. maclancer's Avatar
    I hope IE11 on WP8.1 has Flash built in. The reason my sister is using Surface over iPad because IE in Windows RT has built in Flash. Wouldn't hurt to have an option to it turn on or off.
    I doubt that Windows Phone 8.1 will come with flash. Not single smartphone out there support flash (Android, iOS and Windows Phone)
    02-16-2014 01:40 AM
  5. bilzkh's Avatar
    you have a surface pro 2 ( a beast in specs) but I have a 2009 , dual core processor with 2 gb ram
    Then I'm not sure how your example is relevant. To be honest, if we are going to compare fairly, then wouldn't ARM-based Windows RT devices be a closer measure? After all, they're closest to Windows Phone (same CPU architecture, OS built on ARM, etc). Yes, the 1st gen Surface RT has problems with IE Metro, but we can't pin it to just Flash, what about the fact that Surface RT is just an underpowered machine? Even Office would give Surface RT some trouble, it doesn't mean Office is inherently bad. As far as I stand, right now, I'm having zero problems with my Surface 2 with Flash on IE Metro.

    Let's not skirt around and dismiss Flash. The *REALITY* is that Microsoft has produced a solution for ARM-based devices via Metro Internet Explorer. With up-to-date hardware, it seems to work just fine. Moreover, opponents to this idea have yet to produce any evidence indicating that Flash on IE Metro has resulted in malware, corruption, etc. on Windows RT machines.

    If Windows RT machines (with current hardware) aren't exhibiting any problems due to Flash on IE Metro, then on what grounds are we dismissing a similar solution on another Windows on ARM product, i.e. Windows Phone?

    Honestly, I just think Microsoft should give people the *option.* It should be a thing we can enable/disable via some Settings tab or something, but added options won't hurt.
    Himanshu Chowdhary likes this.
    02-16-2014 02:05 AM
  6. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Wait, doesn't BlackBerry 10 have an option for Flash in their browser? And wasn't the BB10 browser the fastest in HTML5 tests? So flash slowing down the phone makes no sense, if BB10 still has the fastest mobile browser and it has flash enabled.
    Himanshu Chowdhary likes this.
    02-16-2014 02:14 AM
  7. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Wait, doesn't BlackBerry 10 have an option for Flash in their browser? And wasn't the BB10 browser the fastest in HTML5 tests? So flash slowing down the phone makes no sense, if BB10 still has the fastest mobile browser and it has flash enabled.
    BlackBerry used to be the most secure platform too. However, this might not be the case with Adobe Flash vulnerabilities. BlackBerry 10 Haunted by Adobe Flash Vulnerabilities | SecurityWeek.Com
    Himanshu Chowdhary likes this.
    02-16-2014 02:17 AM
  8. bilzkh's Avatar
    BlackBerry used to be the most secure platform too. However, this might not be the case with Adobe Flash vulnerabilities. BlackBerry 10 Haunted by Adobe Flash Vulnerabilities | SecurityWeek.Com
    This is the first sentence in the article, don't you think Microsoft's whitelist (or blacklist) efforts (with IE Metro) help prevent this? What if Flash on WP only worked with legitimate content providers such as television networks, e.g. CBS? Or the current solution with IE on Windows 8.1 where a number of sites are blacklisted and prevented from fully working on the Metro browser?

    "According to a BlackBerry advisory, a malicious hacker could booby-trap Adobe Flash content and lure users into visiting rigged Web pages or downloading Adobe Air applications."
    Reflexx likes this.
    02-16-2014 02:20 AM
  9. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    This is the first sentence in the article, don't you think Microsoft's whitelist (or blacklist) efforts (with IE Metro) help prevent this? What if Flash on WP only worked with legitimate content providers such as television networks, e.g. CBS? Or the current solution with IE on Windows 8.1 where a number of sites are blacklisted and prevented from fully working on the Metro browser?
    It's too easy for hackers to impersonate legitimate sites. I doubt if Microsoft would be able to keep up with all potential vulnerabilities if Adobe Flash were enabled on all devices. It would turn into a "whack-a-mole" type scenario, trying to stay one step ahead of the hackers.
    Himanshu Chowdhary likes this.
    02-16-2014 02:25 AM
  10. bilzkh's Avatar
    It's too easy for hackers to impersonate legitimate sites. I doubt if Microsoft would be able to keep up with all potential vulnerabilities if Adobe Flash were enabled on all devices. It would turn into a "whack-a-mole" type scenario, trying to stay one step ahead of the hackers.
    That's possible, but has it happened against Microsoft's model on Windows RT?
    02-16-2014 02:38 AM
  11. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    That's possible, but has it happened against Microsoft's model on Windows RT?
    That might be due to the low market share of RT. There was basically no malware for OS X either, until Flashback trojan in 2012. That was mostly because Mac OS X had such little market share that it wasn't worthwhile for hackers to exploit.
    02-16-2014 02:52 AM
  12. bilzkh's Avatar
    That might be due to the low market share of RT. There was basically no malware for OS X either, until Flashback trojan in 2012. That was mostly because Mac OS X had such little market share that it wasn't worthwhile for hackers to exploit.
    But there are always people doing something, even for the sake of just exploring for vulnerabilities and reporting them back to Microsoft. We hear about it with Windows Phone, so why would Windows RT be different? In fact, it's not just RT, but wouldn't those vulnerabilities leak over to Windows 8 proper because IE Metro is delivered on every Windows 8 tablet/laptop/all-in-one?
    02-16-2014 02:57 AM
  13. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    But there are always people doing something, even for the sake of just exploring for vulnerabilities and reporting them back to Microsoft. We hear about it with Windows Phone, so why would Windows RT be different? In fact, it's not just RT, but wouldn't those vulnerabilities leak over to Windows 8 proper because IE Metro is delivered on every Windows 8 tablet/laptop/all-in-one?
    Windows 8/8.1 x86/x64 has basically the same vulnerabilities as Windows 7/Server/etc. No, it is not as vulnerable as XP. However, each Patch Tuesday Security Bulletin generally has patches for almost identical things in all supported forms of Windows (desktop/server).
    Himanshu Chowdhary likes this.
    02-16-2014 03:06 AM
  14. yehuda92's Avatar
    Looks to me like Flash gets back-doored monthly.
    Zing!
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    02-16-2014 04:56 AM
  15. Steve Adams's Avatar
    I think WP should have flash support. There is no movement in the general public to sway from flash on websites unlike the magical fairy land that apple lives in where the future is html5. That may be in like ten years. Right now most sites are useless on mobile platforms except android. You can still download flash support for it. Please WP add flash support.
    Editguy1900 and bilzkh like this.
    02-16-2014 07:15 AM
  16. ntice_521's Avatar
    I hate flash as much as anyone, but the reality is that you need it. It's used EVERYWHERE these days and it's not getting less popular. It's just stubbornness not to support it.
    02-16-2014 07:32 AM
  17. maclancer's Avatar
    I think WP should have flash support. There is no movement in the general public to sway from flash on websites unlike the magical fairy land that apple lives in where the future is html5. That may be in like ten years. Right now most sites are useless on mobile platforms except android. You can still download flash support for it. Please WP add flash support.
    Well, I don't know where you live buddy but all three major mobile smartphones (Android, iOS and WP) does not support flash and all of these three, WP is doing a very poor job supporting HTML5.... I hope WP 8.1 make a big difference and start supporting HTML5 the way iOS and Android are doing.
    02-16-2014 08:30 AM
  18. willied's Avatar
    I'd love it if it had Flash. Sure, Flash has its problems, but I've never had any security issues using it.
    02-16-2014 09:51 AM
  19. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Flash is a borderline virus at times. Whenever I have issues with my browser, there's one sure-fire way to fix them. I open up the Task Manager, go to Processes, and kill Flash. The browser immediately stops being stupid, and all of the video ads have now crashed and left me alone as well. Flash needs to die, though the down side would be that a new standard for bothering me with ads would come out.
    Pontifex and Laura Knotek like this.
    02-16-2014 10:35 AM
  20. Reflexx's Avatar
    Well, I don't know where you live buddy but all three major mobile smartphones (Android, iOS and WP) does not support flash and all of these three, WP is doing a very poor job supporting HTML5.... I hope WP 8.1 make a big difference and start supporting HTML5 the way iOS and Android are doing.
    It supports HTML5 just fine.

    What you may be experiencing is a website that fails to detect that it's being viewed by a mobile device (especially if you're using desktop mode). So the website may be defaulting to a Flash version.
    02-16-2014 12:38 PM
  21. Reflexx's Avatar
    This is the first sentence in the article, don't you think Microsoft's whitelist (or blacklist) efforts (with IE Metro) help prevent this? What if Flash on WP only worked with legitimate content providers such as television networks, e.g. CBS? Or the current solution with IE on Windows 8.1 where a number of sites are blacklisted and prevented from fully working on the Metro browser?
    If people are so worried, the white llist would be a great solution as opposed to a black list where you have to keep up.
    02-16-2014 01:12 PM
  22. maclancer's Avatar
    It supports HTML5 just fine.

    What you may be experiencing is a website that fails to detect that it's being viewed by a mobile device (especially if you're using desktop mode). So the website may be defaulting to a Flash version.
    Html5 in ie10 is very limited, try to go to a website that stream videos with html5... Good luck! And this is in mobile version.
    02-16-2014 01:14 PM
  23. Reflexx's Avatar
    It's too easy for hackers to impersonate legitimate sites. I doubt if Microsoft would be able to keep up with all potential vulnerabilities if Adobe Flash were enabled on all devices. It would turn into a "whack-a-mole" type scenario, trying to stay one step ahead of the hackers.
    With a whitelist, it isn't whack a mole.
    Also, WP has tint market share. The chances of hackers going through all the trouble to target WP through Flash is near nil. It's not like MS would just sit there and never update.
    02-16-2014 01:15 PM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    That might be due to the low market share of RT. There was basically no malware for OS X either, until Flashback trojan in 2012. That was mostly because Mac OS X had such little market share that it wasn't worthwhile for hackers to exploit.
    And WP has low market share.

    Maybe by the time WP has enough market share for hackers to care we'll actually have apps and HTML5 wil have matured to catch up.
    For now, we have limited options.
    02-16-2014 01:16 PM
  25. maclancer's Avatar
    And WP has low market share.

    Maybe by the time WP has enough market share for hackers to care we'll actually have apps and HTML5 wil have matured to catch up.
    For now, we have limited options.
    Html5 may change with the improvements and better features in WP 8.1
    02-16-2014 01:23 PM
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