Office. Skype. Lync. Windows Server. These are things people have been wanting to be tied into for a while. Especially business customers.
I said that about consumers, NOT business customers.
Nope. My father has Office for android, and i can say i haven't seen it do any more than WP can. Not to mention, it requires a 365 subscription to create documents.
I never mentioned MS Office, I said there are many office suites. This means that there are office suites from different companies available on Android. Don't you understand the difference between an 'O' & an 'o'. Go read my statement properly.
Redundancy. If that's all it's for, then there is no need. Again, you already have methods to manage such content, and updates to manage more precisely said content shall come in the future.
Are you a member of the WP dev team at MS that you can say so confidently that updates "shall" come in the future. Again, THE METHODS ARE NOT ENOUGH. Why is it so hard for you to understand? They may be enough for you, but for many others, they aren't.
If making toast is popular for a toaster, then there is no reason why my refrigerator shouldn't do it. See what i mean? Usage case.
A most pointless example. You do know that the only things similar between a toaster & a refrigerator are that both run on electricity & both work with food products. However, if you like a refrigerator which can act as a toaster, then there's no harm. On the other hand, recent mobile OSes are very similar to desktop OSes, from the inside as well as the outside. You look at WP, it uses the same NT kernel as Windows & even the UI is very similar. Even the apps work in a similar way. We never said that MS should bring a Windows Explorer like file manager to WP, rather, we are asking for file manager similar to the one present in OneDrive on Windows. If you still can't get that, then I must be afraid of your intelligence.
Okay. Lets do math. There are 113,081 votes for a file manager on UserVoice.
Now, to humor you, lets say each vote is
a single person and that no body used more than one vote or created second accounts, bringing the total to 113,081 users who desire the feature.
According to Pew Research, 56% of Americans own a smartphone, and based on the current population, comes to 174,490,400 smartphone owners. According to Kantar, WP held 4.8% market share of all smartphones as of October 2013, which is 8,375,539.2 Americans with Windows Phone. Now, 113081?8375539.2= 0.0135013397, or 1.35013397%. So only 1.3% of Windows Phone owners want a file manager.
Now these numbers are skewed, flawed, and by no means solid. But they give you at least a
hint to how much people really want such a feature.
Before doing this useless math, had you properly read my statement where I had clearly said that most of the people don't even know about this website, it would have spared you a lot of trouble. Seriously, you are taking such a small group of people & comparing them to the no. of people presently having a WP in the whole country? That too the US!!! Where most of the people have tablets & PCs already!! If you want to have a reasonable estimate, compare them to the total no. of votes polled on every topic at WP uservoice. And then come up with a number. Besides, how did you come up with an actual no. of votes for a file manager?
First off, no. It is not a pocket desktop, and i don't think you do understand. Also, TellMe then why consumers shifted away from Palm's and Windows Mobile's, and those operating systems didn't last? Smartphone's did evolve to people's needs. And the people's needs did not include a file manager. Hell, when helping people with Androids (such as my father), when the task they want to do requires a file manager, they get annoyed. They are confused as why they have to go through a manager to do something, and why can't the app take care of it.
First off, yes, it is a pocket desktop. If it isn't, then it should be. That's the reason why you're seeing phones getting more powerful everyday. They may not reach the power of a desktops built in the same time frame, but they can give old desktops a run for their money. As for Androids, I myself saw an Android just a week ago, & it didn't require me to use a file manager where I did not need it. Besides, it makes no sense to me that why do I have to open an app & find a file through it while I can just select a file & then the corresponding app should open automatically. Just as it happens on desktops. If the files are properly organized, then this is a much easier method. As I have already given the example of the videos present in the photos hub, you can see for yourself how easy it would be. If I could keep all my videos in a videos folder & the videos hub would open automatically when I would select a video, it would be very easy. As to why consumers shifted from Palm,, I don't have much idea about it. But I do know that people left WM because it had poor performance & was unusable with fingers even on a touchscreen. It didn't have many apps too as compared to the iPhone. The iPhone sold well because it worked well & because people in the US have always loved Apple & hated MS. Since anything becoming popular in the US gains popularity throughout the world, so the iPhone sales increased & WM sales decreased. At this point, I would like to reveal a secret to you, there are many who have never seen any iOS device, let alone used it. And these people think that iOS is just a glorified version of Android, with better quality apps. You tell them that it doesn't have a file manager or SD card support, & they will get a big shock.
Ever heard of don't jump to conclusions? I don't have an iPhone, and my tablet PC is s#@!.
You yourself said that you can go back to iOS, so I presumed that you must be having an iPhone or iPad. Even if you don't have one, you can still get them, since you yourself have just said that you can go back to iOS.
Hahaha. Ha ha. Ha... wait. Are you serious?
So you are saying that you are going to have a PC without a file manager. Have you lost your mind? You are fine with a PC having no file manager!!! You seem completely insane when you say this. I repeat, a PC is NEVER complete without a file manager. It's one of the most basic features of any OS. No one is such a big fool that he/she would continue to use their PC without using a file manager, ever.
I wouldn't. I'd suggest a surface Pro. You can get a refurbished original edition pretty cheap now on eBay.
That's a quite mind restoring statement. It makes some of my faith in the world being restored. By the way, thanks for your help, but I can't afford a Surface Pro.
It's because there is a difference between Windows Phone fans and Windows fans. Just like there is a split between Windows 7.x- fans and Windows 8.x+ fans.
But when you are trying to proceed with a "One Microsoft" strategy, then you have to make WP fans AND Windows fans happy. Not just the WP fans.
I'm shutting the D@$# thing off if all possible.
My whole point is the File Manager is unnecessary and not quite like what you think. You can already manage your content now, and as far as missing methods such as albums and downloads, Microsoft is more likely to just update the corresponding software instead of rewriting core parts of the OS. It is easier, after all.
You can shut your hands if you like. That would be the best option. My whole point is the exact opposite, it IS necessary & will be. Whatever these companies try to tell the people. What you are calling managing, is more like just storing & viewing. It's probably the worst type of file management. I'll say this again, it should be onto the people, how they want to mange their files, NOT the OS, NOT the parent company behind the OS & DEFINITELY NOT you.
Most modern day smartphone owners, including business minded ones, are the kind of users who want a smartphone that works. Not one they have to spend an hour organizing their files into appropriate folders, only to lose a file and spend all day searching for it. For most people, their smartphone may be their "PC", but is not their computer. They don't expect it to come with a file manager and a full desktop Office suite. They don't expect it to run desktop apps and browse full desktop sites with Flash. Even business users want convenience over utility. They'd rather have a device with the apps they need rather than the OS with the most "desktop features
.
Honestly, if Microsoft does introduce features like this, i at least hope they implement "Add & Remove Features", so users can chose whether to use it or not.
I'll say this again, "There is nothing in this world that just works, that's a total joke of a statement & will always remain a joke". Till the time all the people start thinking in the same manner, you can NEVER EVER get anything that just works. It's total propaganda. You have to customize every OS according to your needs & it will always be the same way, till the time you start copying the life of the dev team head of the OS concerned. Better get this fast & learn it.
Finally, can't you read properly? If you can read, don't you understand it? How many times will I have to say, "THE OS SHOULD BE DESIGNED SUCH THAT THOSE WHO DON'T WANT A FILE MANAGER SHOULD NEVER SEE THE NEED OF IT"? For someone who cannot use a file manager properly, why should he fiddle with it? I've never said that after giving a file manager, MS should remove the file management features already present in the OS(which people like you prefer, but I don't). Then why would that person have to look at the file manager at all.
Moreover, what do you mean, when you say, "may be their PC, but not a computer". What do think PC stands for. Personal Computer. A PC is a computer. So, if it's a PC, it is a computer. For most people, it would be the happiest moment of their lives, when they'll be able to run desktop programs on their phones properly. You can make that out, with the amount of money people funded for the Ubuntu Edge, even though it actually could not run desktop Ubuntu on the phone itself. Yet people loved the idea. I never said that people want a desktop office suite on a phone. But the features should definitely be increased. Most of the people(except iOS users)expect a phone to come with a file manager. That's why I got stuck with WP. I couldn't realize that someone could be as insane & foolish that he/she would develop an OS without a file manager. Had I known earlier, I wouldn't have even looked at WP. I would rather have a device with an OS which is fully featured in itself, rather than a glorified app launcher, as iOS seems to me. I want my phone to do powerful tasks, not to play Candy Crush Saga.
As for a full desktop browser with Flash, that would be great, if it can be done without compromising the security of the OS.
At last, I would like to come back to the topic. I do want to know where is the file manager & what is it doing outside the OS. It should have been included by now.