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  1. Iridian's Avatar
    Windows Phone is better than IOS and Android on many aspects. It's a revolutionary modern phone is that is both user friendly, fast and has a very responsive touch interface.

    However I think it's still not on par. Still basic functions are missing. For example a way to easily switch between ringtone, vibrate and silence. Or a call log function that keeps track of how many minutes you have called. Also a lot of basic regional apps are still missing.
    04-08-2014 05:15 PM
  2. SAM 77's Avatar
    It was on par for me a while back but I'm not a power/hardcore phone user.

    However the 8.1 update is so comprehensive I couldnt wait for it and signed up for the preview.

    I'm more excited now then when I bought my Lumia 820 13 months ago.

    As Macklemore said "This is F@$%ing Awesome"
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    04-08-2014 05:47 PM
  3. AndyM72's Avatar
    It doesn't need to be on par. I've never thought the totally open way of being that you get with Android was a good idea for a device that's connected to a billable service (your SIM), and likewise the iOS way of having absolutely everything locked down can be frustrating.

    Windows Phone has always taken "the middle way". Just look at Cortana - as useful as Google Now, but a lot of the automated data monitoring only happens on the phone so Microsoft get no more data about you than Siri collects.

    For me, a curated app store is a must. So iOS or Windows Phone are the only platforms I'd consider.

    The only thing that put me off WP8 were little niggly things (like a single volume control, no "scrub bar" on audio, no HLS support in IE, half baked cloud backup, poor geofencing support in 1st party apps and for 3rd party apps). I don't need WP8.1 to be "on par" with iOS, I just need the few niggles here and there to be fixed.
    Last edited by AndyM72; 04-14-2014 at 05:29 AM.
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    04-08-2014 05:49 PM
  4. LillWicke's Avatar
    Still basic functions are missing. For example a way to easily switch between ringtone, vibrate and silence. Or a call log function that keeps track of how many minutes you have called.
    For the first part just swipe down and tap.
    For the second part, if I remember it right, there will be a call log with minutes.

    04-08-2014 06:07 PM
  5. anon(5408816)'s Avatar
    I find it interesting that feature lists are devised on the basis of what Windows Phone DOESN'T have but it rarely discusses what it has that other platforms don't. When I show the People hub to iOS users, their eyes widen as they think about all the contact apps they had to go through to find the right one. That, "feature" is really a part of the core philosophy that permeates many of Microsoft's products. While there are consumers who do feature to feature comparisons to determine which product to buy, that isn't the only criteria that people use. As more and more people move onto their 2nd or 3rd smartphone, their tastes and needs change. When I originally bought into the Android ecosystem, it was specifically because of the 3rd party support. As I used it more and more, it occurred to me that 3rd party apps weren't that useful to me. When Microsoft began to converge the Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 platform, switching was a no brainer. The, "App" ecosystem has a weakness when many aspects of the phone's capabilities are based on it. The end user experience can suffer due to poor development and worse support. Everyone knows that it's a crap shoot if it isn't built into the OS but very few technophiles are willing to admit it. 3rd party extensibility is a good thing but when it becomes central to the model, it could actually do more harm than good. Many consumers are inclined to follow market trends but that doesn't mean that they are stupid. In terms of the overall experience, I personally qualify Windows Phone as being the best for me.
    Last edited by InlineV; 04-08-2014 at 07:59 PM.
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    04-08-2014 07:37 PM
  6. A895's Avatar
    I find it interesting that feature lists are devised on the basis of what Windows Phone DOESN'T have but it rarely discusses what it has that other platforms don't. When I show the People hub to iOS users, their eyes widen as they think about all the contact apps they had to go through to find the right one. That, "feature" is really a part of the core philosophy that permeates many of Microsoft's products. While there are consumers who do feature to feature comparisons to determine which product to buy, that isn't the only criteria that people use. As more and more people move onto their 2nd or 3rd smartphone, their tastes and needs change. When I originally bought into the Android ecosystem, it was specifically because of the 3rd party support. As I used it more and more, it occurred to me that 3rd party apps weren't that useful to me. When Microsoft began to converge the Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 platform, switching was a no brainer. The, "App" ecosystem has a weakness when many aspects of the phone's capabilities are based on it. The end user experience can suffer due to poor development and worse support. Everyone knows that it's a crap shoot if it isn't built into the OS but very few technophiles are willing to admit it. 3rd party extensibility is a good thing but when it becomes central to the model, it could actually do more harm than good. Many consumers are inclined to follow market trends but that doesn't mean that they are stupid. In terms of the overall experience, I personally qualify Windows Phone as being the best for me.
    As android matured, of has become less about third part and more about what is available out of the box. Which is of course Google. With manufacturers that mat change slightly buy first and foremost is Google. Apple may have that "snob" factor but even got have to admit they make the best jack of all trades mobile devices. The only phone that came close on the android side was the Moto X. For windows phone it wasn't exactly the first party stuff that was the problem it was mainly third party. And while it has caught up mostly for the stuff that is being used now. The main concern is whatever comes out next may not be on WP and that's what is the problem with consumers along with poor marketing. How can I recommend someone who owns an iPhone to get a WP if the apps and games they like to play may not be there. There's also the question of does the person even use Microsoft services in the first place.

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    04-08-2014 08:07 PM
  7. Saksham Sharma's Avatar
    Windows Phone is better than IOS and Android on many aspects. It's a revolutionary modern phone is that is both user friendly, fast and has a very responsive touch interface.

    However I think it's still not on par. Still basic functions are missing. For example a way to easily switch between ringtone, vibrate and silence. Or a call log function that keeps track of how many minutes you have called. Also a lot of basic regional apps are still missing.
    call duration is coming in 8.1 !
    04-08-2014 10:13 PM
  8. j rr's Avatar
    I think i will have to wait to test it out first to decide. On paper it looks sweet, i have recently purchased a 1020, was really looking forward but after seeing how limited i am compared to IOS im really grateful i havent sold my idevice. I consider myself a power user, so i really want 8.1 to deliver and keep this phone... If and only IF i really like 8.1 and it meets my expectations im selling my 1020 and buying a 930 in June since i really wanted a higher resolution wp.
    04-09-2014 01:39 AM
  9. TheRotfler's Avatar
    UI: much better
    Features: worse
    Dev platform: a lot worse (too few API available to devs)
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    04-09-2014 02:43 AM
  10. revfast's Avatar
    Windows Phone 8.1 being free will lure more OEMs, my guess is that they won't need to pay all the fees that android OEMs pay (patents). If that's the case they just need to lure more developers to adopt the platform.
    04-09-2014 03:15 AM
  11. anony_mouse's Avatar
    The, "App" ecosystem has a weakness when many aspects of the phone's capabilities are based on it. The end user experience can suffer due to poor development and worse support.
    Thanks for an interesting post. I'd like to respond (while accepting of course that you know what is the best phone for you).

    The problem with relying on everything being built into the OS is that it assumes the one company (in this case Microsoft) has all the best ideas and can support everything that everyone wants. It also makes that company very powerful - they get to choose what is in and what is out, and of course give preference to their own interests. Imagine if Windows on the desktop didn't have such good 3rd party extensibility - would we ever have had, say, web browsers? Or Skype? Or actually most of the features we use today, whether used by everyone or very specialist? I also find 3rd party apps are usually better supported than core OS features. I expect the Facebook and Spotify apps on my Moto G to be updated long after Motorola give up on the core OS. And hopefully app developers are working on all kinds of exciting new things, which they can release fully independently of OS updates, and independently of whether the company controlling the platform thinks it's a good idea, or aligns with their interests.
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    04-09-2014 04:55 AM
  12. ohgood's Avatar
    Thanks for an interesting post. I'd like to respond (while accepting of course that you know what is the best phone for you).

    The problem with relying on everything being built into the OS is that it assumes the one company (in this case Microsoft) has all the best ideas and can support everything that everyone wants. It also makes that company very powerful - they get to choose what is in and what is out, and of course give preference to their own interests. Imagine if Windows on the desktop didn't have such good 3rd party extensibility - would we ever have had, say, web browsers? Or Skype? Or actually most of the features we use today, whether used by everyone or very specialist? I also find 3rd party apps are usually better supported than core OS features. I expect the Facebook and Spotify apps on my Moto G to be updated long after Motorola give up on the core OS. And hopefully app developers are working on all kinds of exciting new things, which they can release fully independently of OS updates, and independently of whether the company controlling the platform thinks it's a good idea, or aligns with their interests.
    Excellent point.
    04-09-2014 05:38 AM
  13. ohgood's Avatar
    I find it interesting that feature lists are devised on the basis of what Windows Phone DOESN'T have but it rarely discusses what it has that other platforms don't. When I show the People hub to iOS users, their eyes widen as they think about all the contact apps they had to go through to find the right one. That, "feature" is really a part of the core philosophy that permeates many of Microsoft's products. While there are consumers who do feature to feature comparisons to determine which product to buy, that isn't the only criteria that people use. As more and more people move onto their 2nd or 3rd smartphone, their tastes and needs change. When I originally bought into the Android ecosystem, it was specifically because of the 3rd party support. As I used it more and more, it occurred to me that 3rd party apps weren't that useful to me. When Microsoft began to converge the Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 platform, switching was a no brainer. The, "App" ecosystem has a weakness when many aspects of the phone's capabilities are based on it. The end user experience can suffer due to poor development and worse support. Everyone knows that it's a crap shoot if it isn't built into the OS but very few technophiles are willing to admit it. 3rd party extensibility is a good thing but when it becomes central to the model, it could actually do more harm than good. Many consumers are inclined to follow market trends but that doesn't mean that they are stupid. In terms of the overall experience, I personally qualify Windows Phone as being the best for me.
    I can't think of any, so I'm going to start a thread.
    04-09-2014 05:39 AM
  14. Snazrael's Avatar
    WP8.1 surpasses both Android and iPhone (unless you like being able to customize your phone OS completely a la Android being open source) because it will run beautifully on phones as inexpensive as $59 (Lumia 520). You can't buy an iPhone that cheap that will run iOS7 (performance is sub-par even on the 4S from what I've seen) and if you buy an Android phone that cheap you'll want to throw it against the wall every time you use it. Plus, Nokia's hardware wipes its rear (can't believe b*tt is censored) with iPhones and even the best Android phones.
    04-09-2014 09:18 AM
  15. Lobbie1978's Avatar
    I'm still confused why people are claiming a large number of malware of android. Is there any sources to back this up? Or are you just repeating the status quo around here? Its not true as of right now with android so I don't think its should be said anymore like it's a fact.

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    Well, a small search indicates there is enough sources to back this up: CLICK
    04-09-2014 09:50 AM
  16. Dan Strong1's Avatar
    I'm a bit of a tech geek. Had iPhone and jailbroke it, had an android and downloaded new OS's/apps messed with it etc.

    Windows Phone can not do all that but I felt Android and iOS have gotten too feature rich too early and they struggle to change, keeping the bloat as they updated. Windows Phone came at the right time and focused on usability and speed rather than features. THEN they have bulked out the features. It has made me not want to mess with my phone and I love the integration with all my devices with it. 8.1 is probably the version that brings it more inline with the others.

    The apps are still a problem though. Developers make for iOS/Android and then WP at a later date, if ever. This can be annoying.
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    04-09-2014 09:53 AM
  17. Saksham Sharma's Avatar
    I'm a bit of a tech geek. Had iPhone and jailbroke it, had an android and downloaded new OS's/apps messed with it etc.

    Windows Phone can not do all that but I felt Android and iOS have gotten too feature rich too early and they struggle to change, keeping the bloat as they updated. Windows Phone came at the right time and focused on usability and speed rather than features. THEN they have bulked out the features. It has made me not want to mess with my phone and I love the integration with all my devices with it. 8.1 is probably the version that brings it more inline with the others.

    The apps are still a problem though. Developers make for iOS/Android and then WP at a later date, if ever. This can be annoying.
    I'm in the same boat as you. I used to hate ios back in 2010-11 because it didn't offer freedom to mess with the OS like android does. I loved to fiddle with my win7 on pc, and wished phones were that free/open too. Then i bought my wp8, and i changed a lot. I loved how i could not mess with it, and thus have the non cluttered professional look of the phone as i wanted. And the speed !
    Yes, WP has been the best tech decision I've made.
    04-09-2014 10:51 AM
  18. Dantekai14's Avatar
    isn't this too early to post?

    To be honest how many of us got WP8.1 now to answer this .

    or
    we hate competing OS too much that we don't even bother to use OS and just comment only in favor of WP without a single clue about it.
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    04-09-2014 10:56 AM
  19. chezm's Avatar
    Not sure if this is considered off-topic, but do we know id Nokia is going to announce more Windows Phone 8.1 devices other than 930(which we dont even know if its coming to NA), 630 or 635? I was hoping for my high end choices than 930, and considering in Canada we got shafted with no 1520 our choices are very slim.
    04-09-2014 10:56 AM
  20. prasath1234's Avatar
    As android matured, of has become less about third part and more about what is available out of the box. Which is of course Google. With manufacturers that mat change slightly buy first and foremost is Google. Apple may have that "snob" factor but even got have to admit they make the best jack of all trades mobile devices. The only phone that came close on the android side was the Moto X. For windows phone it wasn't exactly the first party stuff that was the problem it was mainly third party. And while it has caught up mostly for the stuff that is being used now. The main concern is whatever comes out next may not be on WP and that's what is the problem with consumers along with poor marketing. How can I recommend someone who owns an iPhone to get a WP if the apps and games they like to play may not be there. There's also the question of does the person even use Microsoft services in the first place.

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    We need an app like hangout from Microsoft.

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    04-09-2014 11:26 AM
  21. prasath1234's Avatar
    Thanks for an interesting post. I'd like to respond (while accepting of course that you know what is the best phone for you).

    The problem with relying on everything being built into the OS is that it assumes the one company (in this case Microsoft) has all the best ideas and can support everything that everyone wants. It also makes that company very powerful - they get to choose what is in and what is out, and of course give preference to their own interests. Imagine if Windows on the desktop didn't have such good 3rd party extensibility - would we ever have had, say, web browsers? Or Skype? Or actually most of the features we use today, whether used by everyone or very specialist? I also find 3rd party apps are usually better supported than core OS features. I expect the Facebook and Spotify apps on my Moto G to be updated long after Motorola give up on the core OS. And hopefully app developers are working on all kinds of exciting new things, which they can release fully independently of OS updates, and independently of whether the company controlling the platform thinks it's a good idea, or aligns with their interests.
    Microsoft wants it's user to glue to Windows 8 pc or laptop rather than Windows phone.from what I think about limiting features.

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    04-09-2014 11:34 AM
  22. prasath1234's Avatar
    Wp8.1 will succeed only if it has lot of native apps as available on android.people trade smoothness security or whatever superiority for the word apps.I talk about general public.wp8 has to become like Apple.

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    04-09-2014 11:39 AM
  23. A895's Avatar
    Well, a small search indicates there is enough sources to back this up: CLICK
    A lot of the results are clockbait headlines. Of course the majority of malware would be found on android if it owns the majority of the smartphone market.

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    04-09-2014 11:47 AM
  24. A895's Avatar
    We need an app like hangout from Microsoft.

    Sent from my C2305 using WPCentral Forums mobile app
    Skype?

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    04-09-2014 11:58 AM
  25. prasath1234's Avatar
    Skype?

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    Oh but many of my friends use hangouts.atleast is hangout available in Windows 8

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    04-09-2014 12:04 PM
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