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  1. badcat's Avatar
    Exactly. If i use 9Gag and i dont even save a Picture on my WP make me Sick!! OneDrive is a Joke on wp, why i only Can save Pics?? On Android u Can save every File u Want! WP on par with Android ? Never.





    Think different.
    So if WP makes you so sick, go buy an Android...
    04-11-2014 08:12 AM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Did I miss something? I see all these posts praising and bashing 8.1 as if it were already distributed. Belfiore just tweeted yesterday that Developer Preview will be available next week. How about we spend some time with it instead of basing comments on screenshots and "journalists" writing reviews.
    badcat and James8561 like this.
    04-11-2014 08:28 AM
  3. blue1k's Avatar
    So if WP makes you so sick, go buy an Android...
    I think the point is that it could be better. I have and Android and iPad my 1020. Why settle for one? I think people here are passionate about WP but expect parity with other Mobile OS platforms with regards to app integration and development, ease of use, and things just working like they should.

    There are many things I love about WP but there are many things that just make me shake my head and go why when I compare to my experience with Android or ios. If no one complains then why would it improve? User demand and feedback will drive improvements and development.
    monso0n, prasath1234, A895 and 3 others like this.
    04-11-2014 09:17 AM
  4. badcat's Avatar
    I think the point is that it could be better. I have and Android and iPad my 1020. Why settle for one? I think people here are passionate about WP but expect parity with other Mobile OS platforms with regards to app integration and development, ease of use, and things just working like they should.

    There are many things I love about WP but there are many things that just make me shake my head and go why when I compare to my experience with Android or ios. If no one complains then why would it improve? User demand and feedback will drive improvements and development.
    My point was saying it makes him sick is a little over the top. No one is disputing that WP could be improved. But, if you don't like WP, quit whining and move on.
    fatclue_98 likes this.
    04-11-2014 09:23 AM
  5. A895's Avatar
    My point was saying it makes him sick is a little over the top. No one is disputing that WP could be improved. But, if you don't like WP, quit whining and move on.
    Maybe his post isn't worded the best but to be critical of what's going on helps everyone and does not let a hive mind have the majority.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    nemo7 likes this.
    04-11-2014 12:11 PM
  6. badcat's Avatar
    Maybe his post isn't worded the best but to be critical of what's going on helps everyone and does not let a hive mind have the majority.

    Sent from my XT907 using Mobile Nations mobile app
    Thanks for reiterating my point. It makes me sick isn't exactly lucid, constructive criticism.
    04-11-2014 01:11 PM
  7. anon(5408816)'s Avatar
    Imagine if Windows on the desktop didn't have such good 3rd party extensibility - would we ever have had, say, web browsers? Or Skype? Or actually most of the features we use today, whether used by everyone or very specialist? I also find 3rd party apps are usually better supported than core OS features.
    Third party extensibility is absolutely critical but it doesn't necessarily need to be in the form of a third party app. With 8.1, Microsoft actually seems to be moving away from building service aggregation into the platform but the point still remains. Under certain circumstances, it adds distinct value that isn't present in other platforms that depend upon third parties to extend the capabilities for features like contacts, mail services, calendar, etc... At times, third party extensibility for core features is a good thing but when third parties begin developing calendar apps en masse, there is probably something missing with the platform's native contact management app.

    Other platforms may have hundreds or thousands of contact management apps but that isn't necessarily a strength. It could actually be a weakness. Sometimes, I wonder whether they specifically develop core apps and services with feature gaps to encourage 3rd party development.

    Is Windows Phone on par from a feature to feature basis? Yes and no. It may actually be more complete than other platforms in some areas. Meanwhile, competing platforms fall back on their platform's gaps by saying, "There is an app for that".

    Microsoft could improve key features like the People Hub by opening up service aggregation to other third parties. To do that, they would probably need to break out the People Hub as an app. Then, they could update it for other service feeds from Instagram, Disqus, etc...

    Are features important? Yes but they aren't everything. I just wonder whether we are asking the right questions. PERSONALLY, I would rather see more service integration and fewer apps. I realize that the vast majority of people equate apps to functionality but it is just stupid to have 5 different chat service apps. To me, a differentiator is platform level integration for services.

    Look at OneDrive on Windows 8. Imagine how powerful it would be to have third party Explorer level extensibility for other cloud service providers. Then, create extensibility for searching other cloud services as well as OneDrive. That may seem counter intuitive but if anything, it would encourage MORE 3rd party development. Inherently, that increases platform adoption and so on.

    Unfortunately, something like that will never be accurately represented in a feature to feature comparison. Changing the dynamic for mobility should inherently include ease of use and service integration. Apps have and should have a place in the future but they can also be a crutch. If you flip the equation on it's head, you could argue that the, "app gap" actually refers to platforms that need third party app development to fill the gaps in the native platform.
    monso0n likes this.
    04-11-2014 01:14 PM
  8. nemo7's Avatar
    So if WP makes you so sick, go buy an Android...



    I do it already dude. I have iOS , Android and WP. To The question if WP is on par with The other OSs , its definitly not. And yes it makes ME SICK if i cant attach some Files in email App. Yes its make me Sick..





    Think different.
    j rr likes this.
    04-11-2014 01:54 PM
  9. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    I do it already dude. I have iOS , Android and WP. To The question if WP is on par with The other OSs , its definitly not. And yes it makes ME SICK if i cant attach some Files in email App. Yes its make me Sick..





    Think different.
    If it's making you physically sick then I'm worried there's a deeper underlying issue here. As you said, you use all 3 OSs, so I'm not sure why you continue to make yourself sick by using WP. The fact is, no OS is going to appeal to everybody. It just isn't physically possible.
    badcat and rockstarzzz like this.
    04-11-2014 03:05 PM
  10. badcat's Avatar
    I do it already dude. I have iOS , Android and WP. To The question if WP is on par with The other OSs , its definitly not. And yes it makes ME SICK if i cant attach some Files in email App. Yes its make me Sick..





    Think different.
    So if you hate WP so much stop using it. Why would you continue using something that makes you physically ill? That's why I don't use an iPhone. They make me throw up in my mouth.
    04-11-2014 03:22 PM
  11. nemo7's Avatar
    So if you hate WP so much stop using it. Why would you continue using something that makes you physically ill? That's why I don't use an iPhone. They make me throw up in my mouth.



    Cos i Love The UI and Modern Flat design. Sick ! Its make me Sick!





    Think different.
    04-11-2014 03:35 PM
  12. LillWicke's Avatar
    I do it already dude. I have iOS , Android and WP. To The question if WP is on par with The other OSs , its definitly not. And yes it makes ME SICK if i cant attach some Files in email App. Yes its make me Sick..

    Think different.
    You'r talking about WP8 right?
    This is a WP8.1 forum and WP8.1 does the things you mention.

    badcat likes this.
    04-11-2014 04:16 PM
  13. LillWicke's Avatar
    Video output I think would have been announced already if it was there.

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    Video output IS already announced via miracast.

    04-11-2014 04:23 PM
  14. A895's Avatar
    Video output IS already announced via miracast.

    But limited to the 1520.

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    04-11-2014 04:30 PM
  15. j rr's Avatar
    I couldn't disagree more.

    Well, fact is 8.1 isnt still here, so we cant tell if its on par yet.

    Right now apps on wp 8 like Twitter, Facebook, and instagram feel either outdated or still are ridiculously on beta... and those are MAJOR apps that and this is 2014 not 2009... point is there is alot to catch up still. I love my nokia 1020 but whenever i want to use apps i use alot i have to switch to my iphone... i hope this changes in 8.1, i know its not gonna be from one day to another but im willing to wait.
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    04-11-2014 04:54 PM
  16. LillWicke's Avatar
    But limited to the 1520.

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    This is an OS forum man.
    If you have problem with your 1520 post a quest there.

    04-11-2014 05:03 PM
  17. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    But limited to the 1520.

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    Limited to 1520 because only that phone has supported hardware. With new phones that come with 8.1, more handsets will support it. I think you need to read a few articles on WPCentral front page and forum in order to spark more informed discussion.
    04-11-2014 05:14 PM
  18. nemo7's Avatar
    You'r talking about WP8 right?

    This is a WP8.1 forum and WP8.1 does the things you mention.






    I am talking about 8.1 and u definitly cant attach Files in Email App. Go and learn more about WP 8.1





    Think different.
    04-12-2014 12:23 AM
  19. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Third party extensibility is absolutely critical but it doesn't necessarily need to be in the form of a third party app. With 8.1, Microsoft actually seems to be moving away from building service aggregation into the platform but the point still remains. Under certain circumstances, it adds distinct value that isn't present in other platforms that depend upon third parties to extend the capabilities for features like contacts, mail services, calendar, etc... At times, third party extensibility for core features is a good thing but when third parties begin developing calendar apps en masse, there is probably something missing with the platform's native contact management app.
    Thanks - interesting post. I agree that third party extensibility doesn't have to be at app level, but there are pros and cons of service aggregation. Thinking about messaging, as one good example, aggregating SMS, e-mail, Facebook, WhatsApp, etc has some apparent advantages - consistent UI, single contact list, etc. However, even these advantages are questionable. I don't use a single e-mail inbox, for example, as I use different e-mail accounts for different purposes. I do not want to see work, personal and spam e-mail accounts in one view. Maybe some people do, but I guess a lot of people are like me.

    There are some clear disadvantages, too. Just thinking about messaging, each messaging channel has its own characteristics. For SMS, I want a counter to tell me how close I am to the 160 character limit, but I don't want that for e-mail. I can attach any file to an e-mail (well, not on WP...), but only photos to WhatsApp messages, and nothing to an SMS. Some messaging channels require payment (SMS), others don't. Aggregating all the channels together limits them to just the features that Microsoft implement, which may miss things and reduces the opportunities for others to innovate and try something new. It seems to me that integrated messaging solves a problem that most people simply don't have (using several messaging apps doesn't cause me any problems in day to day life), and it brings limitations.

    These problems are likely to apply even more seriously to other functions. What if I want to make an app that combines, say, photos and messaging? Should it interface to photo aggregation, or messaging aggregation? Is it even possible to integrate with both, and will the UI(s) make any sense?

    Another problem is that forcing all, e.g. messaging systems into a single UI reduces the opportunities for third parties to differentiate their service, or to make money from it. Can a messaging aggregration app enable subscriptions in a user friendly way (like WhatsApp), or the display of adverts (which might be necessary to fund free services)? App developers often consider their UI to be a core part of their service and a major differentiator against other services.

    This is not the say that aggregation is a bad thing in all cases. All the mobile OS's support aggregation to some extent, such an integrated contact lists. But in my opinion going too far with intergation tends to solve fewer problems than it creates.

    Other platforms may have hundreds or thousands of contact management apps but that isn't necessarily a strength. It could actually be a weakness. Sometimes, I wonder whether they specifically develop core apps and services with feature gaps to encourage 3rd party development.
    I doubt that's the case, but even if it is, is that a bad thing? No one company has all the best ideas; allowing space for others to try new things can be a great strength.

    Is Windows Phone on par from a feature to feature basis? Yes and no. It may actually be more complete than other platforms in some areas. Meanwhile, competing platforms fall back on their platform's gaps by saying, "There is an app for that".
    Any platform will have gaps. Even if fully supported all current services (which is impossible), new ideas and requirements appear all the time.

    Microsoft could improve key features like the People Hub by opening up service aggregation to other third parties. To do that, they would probably need to break out the People Hub as an app. Then, they could update it for other service feeds from Instagram, Disqus, etc...
    I agree that is an interesting direction and I am curious to see what Microsoft come up with. But how do you integrate all these different feeds? Does it even make sense to do so? Are the concepts behind them, and the type and volume of material they carry compatible enough to make that an advantage over separate apps?

    Are features important? Yes but they aren't everything. I just wonder whether we are asking the right questions. PERSONALLY, I would rather see more service integration and fewer apps. I realize that the vast majority of people equate apps to functionality but it is just stupid to have 5 different chat service apps. To me, a differentiator is platform level integration for services.
    Then it's good that we have a choice of mobile OS. :-)

    Look at OneDrive on Windows 8. Imagine how powerful it would be to have third party Explorer level extensibility for other cloud service providers. Then, create extensibility for searching other cloud services as well as OneDrive. That may seem counter intuitive but if anything, it would encourage MORE 3rd party development. Inherently, that increases platform adoption and so on.
    Strongly agree. I really dislike the way Microsoft don't allow a level playing field for other cloud services on WP and W8. That's also very limiting for the whole industry.

    Unfortunately, something like that will never be accurately represented in a feature to feature comparison. Changing the dynamic for mobility should inherently include ease of use and service integration. Apps have and should have a place in the future but they can also be a crutch. If you flip the equation on it's head, you could argue that the, "app gap" actually refers to platforms that need third party app development to fill the gaps in the native platform.
    Do people really have a problem using multiple apps for the same 'function'? Taking messaging apps as an example again, aggregation is based on the idea that they are all inherently equal and the same. Even if that was true, I don't think that's how people typically use them. As I said, even my different e-mail accounts are used for different purposes, and for sure I use Facebook messaging, WhatsApp and SMS each for different purposes, or different people, or in different situations.

    This might just be me, of course.
    Last edited by anony_mouse; 04-12-2014 at 05:47 AM.
    04-12-2014 05:04 AM
  20. LillWicke's Avatar
    I am talking about 8.1 and u definitly cant attach Files in Email App. Go and learn more about WP 8.1

    Think different.
    How do you know that? Are you looking in an emulator? In that case forget it, the emulator will be uppdated.
    04-12-2014 09:20 AM
  21. nemo7's Avatar
    How do you know that? Are you looking in an emulator? In that case forget it, the emulator will be uppdated.



    No i am not looking in an Emulator. I played with Lumia 1520 with latest Version of 8.1 and i ask an Nokia Guy last Friday at Nokia Conference in Germany.
    04-12-2014 01:49 PM
  22. LillWicke's Avatar
    No i am not looking in an Emulator. I played with Lumia 1520 with latest Version of 8.1 and i ask an Nokia Guy last Friday at Nokia Conference in Germany.
    Latest version of a beta? The version to the devs isn't out yet, neither is the customer version.
    04-12-2014 04:10 PM
  23. sam1902's Avatar
    Honestly being a user of wp for past 11 months i don't think so.....

    I hav been a past symbian user there were sum features i have to adapt like multitasking
    Honestly it sucks!!! And anyone using wp cant deny it....
    But i have adapted it so no problems now but i do hope 8.1 brings improved multitasking??

    As now onto question.... Honestly it is on par with android with 8.1 and ios also but here and there som features.... That will be two coming in gdr's
    I think this because there is still app gap... According to me.... For eg... A updated version of the app is never been available at the same time... And the when it comes as it... That will dday i will consider wp on par....

    I think microsoft was not active from start from 2010 because they weren't even having confidence on their own os and if they have started taking steps then
    The situation now would have been a bit ( alot) different and when they seen because of nokia they started working hard as its the only oem who had given efforts to bring up this platform and that is why i chose lumia over others...
    04-12-2014 04:27 PM
  24. A895's Avatar
    Honestly being a user of wp for past 11 months i don't think so.....

    I hav been a past symbian user there were sum features i have to adapt like multitasking
    Honestly it sucks!!! And anyone using wp cant deny it....
    But i have adapted it so no problems now but i do hope 8.1 brings improved multitasking??

    As now onto question.... Honestly it is on par with android with 8.1 and ios also but here and there som features.... That will be two coming in gdr's
    I think this because there is still app gap... According to me.... For eg... A updated version of the app is never been available at the same time... And the when it comes as it... That will dday i will consider wp on par....

    I think microsoft was not active from start from 2010 because they weren't even having confidence on their own os and if they have started taking steps then
    The situation now would have been a bit ( alot) different and when they seen because of nokia they started working hard as its the only oem who had given efforts to bring up this platform and that is why i chose lumia over others...��
    It`s so hard to read this post.
    04-12-2014 05:29 PM
  25. rdubmu's Avatar
    It is on par from an operating standpoint. It is behind on third party apps by a large margin.

    Sent from my LG-D801 using Tapatalk
    04-12-2014 06:01 PM
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