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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    If the app performs as it should, does it really matter if it's 3rd party? How many programs on our desktop actually come from the OEMs?

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    Laura Knotek likes this.
    04-12-2014 08:40 PM
  2. InfernapeXavier's Avatar
    It actually is increasing the gap.. Always felt WP8 was better than the others despite lacking some key features. WP8.1 just gave it a Great Leap Forward.
    04-12-2014 09:27 PM
  3. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    It actually is increasing the gap.. Always felt WP8 was better than the others despite lacking some key features. WP8.1 just gave it a Great Leap Forward.
    "Great Leap Forward"??? Have you looked at the documentation for the FilePicker? Before calling that API I have to prepare my WP81 app for termination, just in case it happens. WTF? A WP81 device has at least 512 MB of system memory to work with. The Async sh*t in WinRT was bad enough but this FilePicker crap is beyond belief. I have no idea what they're thinking up in Redmond these days. Whoever designed and implemented WinRT/WinPRT should never be allowed near a computer again.
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    04-12-2014 09:37 PM
  4. A895's Avatar
    If the app performs as it should, does it really matter if it's 3rd party? How many programs on our desktop actually come from the OEMs?

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    OEMS make hardware though. When Jr comes to mobile apps, they should be first party because of 1.) Reliable updates 2.) Its official so no api changes will affect it. 3.) It does not run the risk of the official company telling the third party developed to take it down (as evidenced by the recent tinder app).

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    04-12-2014 09:37 PM
  5. A895's Avatar
    "Great Leap Forward"??? Have you looked at the documentation for the FilePicker? Before calling that API I have to prepare my WP81 app for termination, just in case it happens. WTF? A WP81 device has at least 512 MB of system memory to work with. The Async sh*t in WinRT was bad enough but this FilePicker crap is beyond belief. I have no idea what they're thinking up in Redmond these days. Whoever designed and implemented WinRT/WinPRT should never be allowed near a computer again.
    What are you ranting about?

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    04-12-2014 09:38 PM
  6. gingerbeard87's Avatar
    Only thing we will need to be on par is some of the apps android and iOS have.

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    04-12-2014 09:39 PM
  7. eruptflail's Avatar
    It can't compete with android yet. With Google's music experience you can have 20k songs that you upload to the cloud from your computer and never pay google a cent. With microsoft's poor music experience, they have leaps and bounds to catch up in the multimedia experience realm.
    04-12-2014 09:46 PM
  8. rdubmu's Avatar
    It is on par from an operating standpoint. It is behind on third party apps by a large margin.

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    If the app performs as it should, does it really matter if it's 3rd party? How many programs on our desktop actually come from the OEMs?

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    I misspoke about 3rd party. I meant behind in many apps in the app store. 3rd party in meaning any software that isn't provided by the OEM or MS.

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    04-12-2014 10:00 PM
  9. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    04-12-2014 10:08 PM
  10. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    04-12-2014 10:08 PM
  11. A895's Avatar
    I think it has more to do with platform limitations.

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    04-12-2014 10:23 PM
  12. nemo7's Avatar
    Latest version of a beta? The version to the devs isn't out yet, neither is the customer version.



    OmG, its not coming. It is hard to believe right?
    04-12-2014 11:38 PM
  13. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    OmG, its not coming. It is hard to believe right?
    Actually judging from what I'm seeing from devs yes it is coming. Though apparently coding for it is clunky as anything. But once the WP8.1 preview comes out we'll be able to tell with a more definitive answer.
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    04-13-2014 06:49 AM
  14. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    I think it has more to do with platform limitations.

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    No, it has to do with mental limitations of the SDEs in WinPRT at MSFT. If the system is low on memory the FilePicker should reduce its memory usage (show text instead of thumbnails, etc.). If it still runs out of memory, how about this concept: return an OUT_OF_MEMORY error!. It's ok, sometimes things fail. You never design an API so that the rare error case metastasizes throughout third party code ... yet that's exactly what they've done here.

    Design errors like this, where the exceptional case rules the roost, happens when there are too many cooks in the kitchen. You have a bunch of devs in a room and they all chime in with what could go wrong. Rather than design something that works 99.9% of the time (returning a freaking filename), the developer implementing the API is saddled with dealing with ninety-nine 0.1% cases that won't ever happen and comes up with a monstrosity. It's a failure of middle management to go to the dev and say "make it work and fail out on rare cases". Been there, done that.
    04-13-2014 07:58 AM
  15. DennisvdG's Avatar
    It`s so hard to read this post.
    lol
    04-13-2014 08:03 AM
  16. sam1902's Avatar
    Hmm sorry i know my because my english is very bad :D
    04-13-2014 08:33 AM
  17. A895's Avatar
    No, it has to do with mental limitations of the SDEs in WinPRT at MSFT. If the system is low on memory the FilePicker should reduce its memory usage (show text instead of thumbnails, etc.). If it still runs out of memory, how about this concept: return an OUT_OF_MEMORY error!. It's ok, sometimes things fail. You never design an API so that the rare error case metastasizes throughout third party code ... yet that's exactly what they've done here.

    Design errors like this, where the exceptional case rules the roost, happens when there are too many cooks in the kitchen. You have a bunch of devs in a room and they all chime in with what could go wrong. Rather than design something that works 99.9% of the time (returning a freaking filename), the developer implementing the API is saddled with dealing with ninety-nine 0.1% cases that won't ever happen and comes up with a monstrosity. It's a failure of middle management to go to the dev and say "make it work and fail out on rare cases". Been there, done that.
    Sounds like you won't be using the film picker then.

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    04-13-2014 08:34 AM
  18. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Sounds like you won't be using the film picker then.
    Do you think that's a good or a bad thing?
    04-13-2014 10:26 AM
  19. A895's Avatar
    Do you think that's a good or a bad thing?
    What do you mean?
    04-13-2014 10:55 AM
  20. csiguy1's Avatar
    After 8.1 yes and in many ways surpass everyone.
    04-13-2014 03:35 PM
  21. noregrets78's Avatar
    My first smartphone was an iPhone 3G. Went to the Droid Eris, then the Thunderbolt (custom roms and kernels loaded and other tweaks I could play with). Battery life pushed me to the iPhone 4, then the 5, now I have the 5S. Seriously considering moving away from iOS to WP 8.1. I'm an IT Pro and a geek at heart, I love toys like these. I can't answer if WP 8.1 is on par with Android or iOS because I haven't played with the new Kit Kat or 8.1 yet, but unless they get the apps to compete, it won't matter how good the core is. I'm probably going to get one anyway because I'm a huge Halo fan and I just have to have Cortana on a phone, especially since Jen Taylor is doing the voice work, but I don't want to live to regret the switch.

    More apps and 8.1 based on what I've read could easily hang with the big boys.
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    04-13-2014 06:11 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    MS was once the cat's meow in the mobile world with its Windows Mobile devices. They were worlds better than the BlackBerries of the day, the Palm OS Treos and the Symbian devices. The HD2 was, and is, the best phone ever. It made WM palatable and gave new life to the aging platform with the capacitive screen. Timing was against it and it was even earmarked as a test bed for the coming WP7. Microsoft's biggest mistake was releasing a new OS with only a 1/4 of the functionality people were used to on WM. All the smoothness of the UI and operational sweetness of the devices couldn't make up for the lack of apps and substance the public were already enjoying on iOS and Android. The mobile world moves too rapidly and MS didn't have the luxury of waiting to make things right when the competition was improving and their respective app stores growing by leaps and bounds. WP8 has improved exponentially and 8.1 promises to be a game changer but there can be no hiccups with this release. BlackBerry didn't learn this lesson with their release of BB10 and they're in a world of hurt.

    I honestly believe 8.1 will take the platform on par and even beyond iOS or Android. But if MS would have delayed WP7 and released the HD2 on AT&T or Verizon, they may have fared better. T-Mobile was not a smart choice to unveil that beast. Remember this, iPhone 3GS nor any FroYo device were ever a match for the Leo in October 2009.
    04-13-2014 07:20 PM
  23. squire777's Avatar
    With all the "visitors" we've been having on this site lately I would say that WP has arrived on the main stage.
    04-14-2014 12:28 AM
  24. Cerif27's Avatar
    Mostly yes and a little no. I'm really impressed so far but the continued omission of dictating punctuation and being able to dictate multiple sentences in notes and texts seems weird. iOS has had this for YEARS and it's been available in just about every speech to text software for the last decade. I just don't understand why it's STILL not available even after our all powerful cortana updated. Geofencing is really cool...when it actually triggers anytime before 15 minutes after I've crossed a fence.

    The deintegration from facebook has been a mess. That was something that put us ahead and was even advertised by WP8 in their commercials. This new app based implimentation is only as good as the app it's attached to. Unfortunately they obviously didn't take into account that the FB app is and has just about always been buggy as hell. My calendar doesn't sync properly anymore. I just went ahead and turned off FB calendar sync though I used it regularly before the update. I suppose it would be better if I let FB run in the background all the time (something I never had to do with 8.0) but their app destroys my battery life so that's not going to happen.

    Verdict: Three steps forward, one step back. Loving the update, really missing the stuff they removed. It made the OS unique. Now it feels too much like androids app based BS when it comes to social media.
    04-15-2014 08:49 AM
  25. lodise carter's Avatar
    i like the update WP8.1 has superior futures unlike android
    04-15-2014 10:50 AM
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