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  1. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    A lot of that was due to the locked down nature of the OS. It would appear WP8.1 is going to rectify this by opening the APIs up a bit.
    Indeed and by moving certain functionality to apps instead of hubs. Xbox Music and Xbox Video apps being an example of this.
    04-03-2014 07:26 AM
  2. prasath1234's Avatar
    Almost all current instances of other storage being large is due to content inside apps. Things like podcasts, audio books, eBooks, UC Browser downloads, etc.
    Ya but this other storage is taking a toll on the limited storage in wp8 devices.only solution is hard reset.I mean temporary files for example if u install games nd then delete the game even if u delete the game temporary files are not deleted.this does not happen in android.your solution is hard reset which will endure you the pain of again reinstalling all apps again unlike android where u van already take a backup of all your apps in Dr card nd later install them if u want.

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    04-03-2014 07:28 AM
  3. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Other storage needs a proper fix. Instead of putting all app data into one large category allow users to delete any data that might be too large.

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    It makes more sense to me to track those things in their own individual apps. Why should I delete audiobooks from the storage hub instead of from the Audible app?

    In my opinion the best fix would be to just make other more accurately report things and open the api up a bit more so apps can report their isolated storages a little easier.
    04-03-2014 07:29 AM
  4. prasath1234's Avatar
    Other storage needs a proper fix. Instead of putting all app data into one large category allow users to delete any data that might be too large.

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    Second this other storage is eating already limited storage of wp8 low or mid end devices. Nd also every app file is huge when we install it occupies more spaces especially games.

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    04-03-2014 07:31 AM
  5. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Ya but this other storage is taking a toll on the limited storage in wp8 devices.only solution is hard reset.I mean temporary files for example if u install games nd then delete the game even if u delete the game temporary files are not deleted.this does not happen in android.your solution is hard reset which will endure you the pain of again reinstalling all apps again unlike android where u van already take a backup of all your apps in Dr card nd later install them if u want.

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    That's not the case in GDR3 and beyond.

    Also there is nothing that prevents you from deleting content in apps that are in their isolated storage unless the developer does a terrible job of creating their app. I can delete audio books from Audible and eBooks from Kindle easily and watch the reported storage used increase and decrease.
    04-03-2014 07:32 AM
  6. A895's Avatar
    It makes more sense to me to track those things in their own individual apps. Why should I delete audiobooks from the storage hub instead of from the Audible app?
    In my opinion the best fix would be to just make other more accurately report things and open the api up a bit more so apps can report their isolated storages a little easier.
    Or have a file manager. You can then just go to the app directory and delete any data, without altering anything substantial. I have done this on my Moto X before. I save a lot of articles in Pocket, so if it gets too large. I just go into the file manager and delete downloaded articles, that saves at least 200MB of storage. By doing it this way, I'm not signed out if the app and I can just read the article again by just downloading it individually on WiFi.

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    04-03-2014 07:35 AM
  7. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Or have a file manager. You can then just go to the app directory and delete any data, without altering anything substantial. I have done this on my Moto X before. I save a lot of articles in Pocket, so if it gets too large. I just go into the file manager and delete downloaded articles, that saves at least 200MB of storage. By doing it this way, I'm not signed out if the app and I can just read the article again by just downloading it individually on WiFi.

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    That defeats some of the security model they use in the OS and the point of isolated storage.

    Sure you can do that on Android, and direct read/write access of that type is part of the reason Android has so many vulnerabilities that take advantage of it.

    I think that for some reason you might not know a lot about security models. Would my assumption be correct?
    04-03-2014 07:39 AM
  8. prasath1234's Avatar
    That's not the case in GDR3 and beyond.

    Also there is nothing that prevents you from deleting content in apps that are in their isolated storage unless the developer does a terrible job of creating their app. I can delete audio books from Audible and eBooks from Kindle easily and watch the reported storage used increase and decrease.
    I suppose u Do not suffer this problem that's why you are generalizing it.my temporary files have galloped to 828 MB nd other storage has 600MB. Nothing is deleting the temporary files in Nokia storage app nd my last option is hard reset nd install each nd every app via WIFI.

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    04-03-2014 07:42 AM
  9. A895's Avatar
    That defeats some of the security model they use in the OS and the point of isolated storage.

    Sure you can do that on Android, and direct read/write access of that type is part of the reason Android has so many vulnerabilities that take advantage of it.

    I think that for some reason you might not know a lot about security models. Would my assumption be correct?
    Nope. Isolated storage is killer on devices with smaller storage. Could be why they bumped up the minimum specs requirement. I remember reading the Lumia 810 forums and their horror stories of how "other storage" would take the majority of their storage. Android vulnerabilities is such an old non story, that always comes up when it does not matter.

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    04-03-2014 07:43 AM
  10. Blakey.'s Avatar
    Hard for me to say without using it. I use an iPhone as my daily driver, but I've got a Lumia 920/1020 and a Galaxy S3 sitting around. I really want to like and use Windows Phones, but I'm just not sure yet. I also wish there was a smaller high end phone. I like smaller phones, but anything with a 4 inch screen is low or mid end.

    iOS has the functionality and apps I need, but I do wish there were a couple tweaks for it such as a modifiable keyboard. Siri is also pretty useless IMO. I like that Cortana can be used with typing input as opposed to only voice. I also need to know if WP 8.1 supports .gif in text messages and allows me to hide the actual message a notification gives. I send and receive a ton of .gifs and I don't like that if someone texts me, it displays the message for everyone to see without even opening it. I've heard IE11 brings some much needed improvement as well. If my minor annoyances have been fixed, I could see myself moving to it.
    04-03-2014 07:43 AM
  11. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    I suppose u Do not suffer this problem that's why you are generalizing it.my temporary files have galloped to 828 MB nd other storage has 600MB. Nothing is deleting the temporary files in Nokia storage app nd my last option is hard reset nd install each nd every app via WIFI.

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    You are correct. I don't have this issue, because I know how to track the content I download and consume in my apps. I can literally make this balloon up to a large size and drop it down to nearly 0 because I know how it works.
    04-03-2014 07:44 AM
  12. prasath1234's Avatar
    No body is safe from nsa even if u log onto internet.if u want privacy then don't touch internet.Ian getting fed up of ardent fans telling android is insecure.

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    04-03-2014 07:45 AM
  13. prasath1234's Avatar
    You are correct. I don't have this issue, because I know how to track the content I download and consume in my apps. I can literally make this balloon up to a large size and drop it down to nearly 0 because I know how it works.
    Then great. Wish u happy luck with your trick.

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    04-03-2014 07:47 AM
  14. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Android vulnerabilities is such an old non story, that always comes up when it does not matter.

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    Alright I'm exiting the discussion of else are going to just start dealing with fiction.

    I own multiple devices with Android myself and know the truth of the situation. I can infect the device even with software on the Play store.

    I can't even find a working proof of concept exploit for Windows Phone, and believe me I've tried.
    04-03-2014 07:48 AM
  15. hermantj's Avatar
    Coming back to the subject of this post, I wouldn't say it's ahead or behing ios or android. They're just different :
    • ios : reserved for the ignorant ones. I used to have a iPhone myself, do not agress me. My point is that iPhone are useful for those people who doesn't want to spend 3 days configuring their phones. They want to phone, surf on the internet, play some games their friends play, use whatsapp and they're happy with that
    • android : the exact opposite of ios. Android fans like to feel they can do everything with their phone. To use a unappropriate Apple slogan : You want to do that? There's an app for it. That's especially true for android as the os is very very open. You can almost do everything with an app.
    • wp8.1 : I think it's the perfect mix, and that's why I love it. I like the way it's smooth like ios. Never a lag, never a bug. I also like the new features coming with wp8.1. Skype integration is way better than facetime (crossplatformly). Facebook integration is (was?) awesome. I like the new Action Center. I like the way we can personnalize the lockscreen and start screen. I enjoy the quality of the fotos. I appreciate OneDrive integration.


    the only thing that could make me go back to Android (never Apple anymore) is the lack of apps. But I am 100% confident that with the new wp8.1, developers will start making more and more apps for wp. This is the key for it to overtake ios in terms of market shares.

    Finaly, I must say I was disapointed that there was no new phones annouced for Christmas. But this is clever in fact. At this time, the only information tech sites have to report is cming from BUILD. Samsung already annouced their GS5, Apple has nothing to show. Have you noticed how tech sites speak about WP8.1? They don't do it negatively anymore. Almost all of those websites say MS has close the gap.
    And with the new phones annouced by Nokia, and the ones that will be annouced in the coming weeks, I am sure that WP8.1 will be a huge succcess!!!
    04-03-2014 07:50 AM
  16. radmanvr's Avatar
    A lot of Apple users I see are in a stagnant position and are contemplating on whether they should switch to a different phone or not. I think 8.1 will push a lot of these people towards it. However, most Android users I see are diehard Bruce Willis fanboys and they will find any excuse to make WP sound like its a primitive device.
    04-03-2014 07:50 AM
  17. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Then great. Wish u happy luck with your trick.

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    There's no trick. It is called paying attention to what I download and removing it from the app where it is stored. Anyone who pays attention to what they do can do it.

    Alas hand holding is more popular than actually being responsible these days.
    04-03-2014 07:51 AM
  18. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    No body is safe from nsa even if u log onto internet.if u want privacy then don't touch internet.Ian getting fed up of ardent fans telling android is insecure.

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    Way to try to change the point of what I was saying by bringing up the NSA. I wasn't even talking about that...but please do continue pretending that it was a relevant reply. :)

    I imagine your head would explode if you saw all the non MS equipment I own and an list of all the Android devices I currently own and have owned in the past as well.
    04-03-2014 07:53 AM
  19. Blakey.'s Avatar
    A lot of Apple users I see are in a stagnant position and are contemplating on whether they should switch to a different phone or not. I think 8.1 will push a lot of these people towards it. However, most Android users I see are diehard Bruce Willis fanboys and they will find any excuse to make WP sound like its a primitive device.
    I tried Android and just couldn't like it. There are a lot of great things about it, but a lot of not so great things too. I don't need my phone to do everything. I have my laptop for that. I am an iPhone user who is on the fence. I just want to see if my minor annoyances have been fixed. And I'd kind of like some nicer hardware. Lumias are great, but I really, really want something sleeker and with a smaller screen. I know I'm in the minority wanting a smaller screen, but it's a definite preference of mine. And if I still can't hide what my texts say in notifications after all that emphasis they placed on business users yesterday, I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
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    04-03-2014 07:56 AM
  20. arifdanials's Avatar
    In my opinion, Windows Phone 8.1 is better than iOS and Android regardless of the inexistent app gap. With Cortana the truly beautiful personal digital assistant, Windows Phone 8.1 is better than iOS and Android in every way possible.

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    04-03-2014 07:58 AM
  21. Blakey.'s Avatar
    In my opinion, Windows Phone 8.1 is better than iOS and Android regardless of the inexistent app gap. With Cortana the truly beautiful personal digital assistant, Windows Phone 8.1 is better than iOS and Android in every way possible.

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    Nonexistent app gap? As much as I wish this was true, it's definitely not. The games on Windows Phones are way, WAY behind. Not that I care about them, but a lot of people do. You can't even get Clash of Clans or Candy Crush on Windows Phone, which are the two highest grossing apps in the iOS app store. Apps also tend to get made and then neglected. Spotify, for instance, has been an issue for a long while. I know it's getting an update soon, but so help me god if it's the old iOS interface.
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    04-03-2014 08:02 AM
  22. Azurus's Avatar
    I think it almost did close the gap. But the thing is that it took them alot of time to do that and everyone is settling for that "best" OS they have in mind. I think daily consumers will find it hard to switch because humans are too lazy to adapt to this new operating system with all the "boxy" tiles on the screen and not grid for apps.
    Btw guys im in love with WP 8.1 , please don't think that im here to criticize it, im just saying what android and iOS users think because im surrounded by them ... ALOT of them.
    I mean the only reason I placed my bets on WP is that I really like to try new things and since Symbian(my old OS) was dead, I refused to give up into the android and iOS world and rock the WP phone in my pocket.
    I really think WP has a bright future but good luck attracting customers from other OSes to "switch" its easier to target the new generations before they are infected with the apple and android viruses
    04-03-2014 08:11 AM
  23. Ivin Laney's Avatar
    Alright I'm exiting the discussion of else are going to just start dealing with fiction.

    I own multiple devices with Android myself and know the truth of the situation. I can infect the device even with software on the Play store.

    I can't even find a working proof of concept exploit for Windows Phone, and believe me I've tried.
    I'd like to know which app on the play store can infect a device? I'm curious to know as it can be reported to Google and removed.
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    04-03-2014 08:15 AM
  24. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    I'd like to know which app on the play store can infect a device? I'm curious to know as it can be reported to Google and removed.
    There are several. I will admit that Google is good about removing them once reported, but new ones take their place.

    That wasn't my main point however. The point I was making was primarily about the security models on WP vs Android.

    Part of what makes WP so secure is the lack of direct read/write access to the main file system. That's just a fact.
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    04-03-2014 08:27 AM
  25. Kashan Osama's Avatar
    There are several. I will admit that Google is good about removing them once reported, but new ones take their place.

    That wasn't my main point however. The point I was making was primarily about the security models on WP vs Android.

    Part of what makes WP so secure is the lack of direct read/write access to the main file system. That's just a fact.
    This,I testify it xD
    04-03-2014 08:39 AM
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