04-08-2014 07:26 AM
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  1. sashlon's Avatar
    Sometimes I wonder if people read the site at all....

    All WP8 devices are upgradeable to 8.1. It's been stated numerous times.

    If your carrier plays games with your update, the Developer Preview is a free, easy way to get OS updates and its available to everyone. This has also been reported many times in many places.

    There's really no problem here, and certainly no need for people to whine.
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    04-07-2014 04:48 PM
  2. inteller's Avatar
    SOMETIMES I WONDER IF PEOPLE READ THE SITE AT ALL...
    Windows Phone 8.1 update: everything you need to know - Nokia Conversations

    " It looks stunning and its coming to all Lumia smartphones running Windows Phone 8."
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    04-07-2014 04:55 PM
  3. Nimdock's Avatar
    Taking the conversation away from the guy that seems about to blow an aneurysm I do wish that Microsoft would create a carrier independent phone, like the Nexus. I would buy that in a heartbeat!
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    04-07-2014 04:57 PM
  4. inteller's Avatar
    as would I. And the Lumia 930 is the perfect candidate since no carrier in NA has announced they will carry it.
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    04-07-2014 05:01 PM
  5. sashlon's Avatar
    I used to think so, but the Developer Preview basically makes any Windows phone the equivalent of a Nexus.
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    04-07-2014 05:03 PM
  6. Nimdock's Avatar
    I used to think so, but the Developer Preview basically makes any Windows phone the equivalent of a Nexus.
    Sort of... We're still held hostage for firmware changes.
    04-07-2014 05:04 PM
  7. cckgz4's Avatar
    Sometimes I wonder if people read the site at all....

    All WP8 devices are upgradeable to 8.1. It's been stated numerous times.

    If your carrier plays games with your update, the Developer Preview is a free, easy way to get OS updates and its available to everyone. This has also been reported many times in many places.

    There's really no problem here, and certainly no need for people to whine.
    Some people like to see their own font
    04-07-2014 05:38 PM
  8. cckgz4's Avatar
    I used to think so, but the Developer Preview basically makes any Windows phone the equivalent of a Nexus.
    Thank you! Please, name an Android alternative that creates an EASY option for customers, if they choose to, to upgrade to the latest software of the moment, for EVERY device, and it WORKS without having to try something different on this device compared to THAT device.
    04-07-2014 05:40 PM
  9. SwimSwim's Avatar
    ""All WP8 models support WP8.1; availability based on carrier".

    You can't weasel out with fine print statements like that when you are LOUDLY and PUBLICLY saying "ALL WP8 devices will get 8.1" Both Elop and Nokia blog says it. They have painted themselves into a corner and better get with T-Mo to get that 810 tested and upgraded.
    And if they had their way: all Windows Phone 8 devices would get it. Seriously, why would Microsoft and Nokia develop software updates that take time, money and effort to build, and bring happiness, joy and renewed loyalty to their customers: then not push it out if they had a say it?

    That's the problem: Microsoft and Nokia don't get a say in it. They're at the mercy of carriers. If they try and protest, the carrier simply stops advertising Windows Phone devices, and then refuses to stock or carry them.

    Granted, Windows Phone 8.1 is a major, major, MAJOR update. And of course, Nokia Cyan will be a welcome update also, and Nokia is soon to be absorbed by Microsoft. As such, I'm sure Microsoft will aggressively try to negotiate with carriers to approve and push out the updates by then end of 2014 at the latest (not ideal, I know, but best of a bad situation). But that's all Microsoft can try to do: negotiate. If carriers refuse to push the update, then users are forced to the Developer Preview program.

    As for OEM and device specific firmware? Well, either stay behind, or flash your device with another carriers ROM. But of course, the latter results in the loss of all data on the device, and could lead to problems when your device tries to communicate with your carrier's network.

    This is a complex issue, with no simple explanation, easy answers, or fast workarounds. The fact of the matter is: Windows Phone 8.1 WILL come to all Windows Phone 8 devices ideally, but carriers can be a real pain in the ***.
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    04-07-2014 07:54 PM
  10. Zulfigar's Avatar
    And if they had their way: all Windows Phone 8 devices would get it. Seriously, why would Microsoft and Nokia develop software updates that take time, money and effort to build, and bring happiness, joy and renewed loyalty to their customers: then not push it out if they had a say it?

    That's the problem: Microsoft and Nokia don't get a say in it. They're at the mercy of carriers. If they try and protest, the carrier simply stops advertising Windows Phone devices, and then refuses to stock or carry them.

    Granted, Windows Phone 8.1 is a major, major, MAJOR update. And of course, Nokia Cyan will be a welcome update also, and Nokia is soon to be absorbed by Microsoft. As such, I'm sure Microsoft will aggressively try to negotiate with carriers to approve and push out the updates by then end of 2014 at the latest (not ideal, I know, but best of a bad situation). But that's all Microsoft can try to do: negotiate. If carriers refuse to push the update, then users are forced to the Developer Preview program.

    As for OEM and device specific firmware? Well, either stay behind, or flash your device with another carriers ROM. But of course, the latter results in the loss of all data on the device, and could lead to problems when your device tries to communicate with your carrier's network.

    This is a complex issue, with no simple explanation, easy answers, or fast workarounds. The fact of the matter is: Windows Phone 8.1 WILL come to all Windows Phone 8 devices ideally, but carriers can be a real pain in the ***.
    Then why does Google and their OEMs get away with it yearly?
    04-07-2014 08:08 PM
  11. Tony_Offends_U's Avatar
    Thank you! Please, name an Android alternative that creates an EASY option for customers, if they choose to, to upgrade to the latest software of the moment, for EVERY device, and it WORKS without having to try something different on this device compared to THAT device.
    CyanogenMod or any other custom ROM. Not rocket science, pretty easy to do.
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    04-07-2014 08:35 PM
  12. sashlon's Avatar
    CyanogenMod or any other custom ROM. Not rocket science, pretty easy to do.
    Nope.

    Rooting/custom roms are not easy to do for the average user and it voids a warranty and if you screw up your phone is wrecked. The Developer Preview is just a process of signing up and downloading an app and it works on every WP8 device, and no warranty issues.
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    04-07-2014 08:40 PM
  13. wpnokia920's Avatar
    CyanogenMod or any other custom ROM. Not rocket science, pretty easy to do.
    most of those builds are only stable for handful of devices. Others are nightlys, rc''s. And require root, flashing recovery's etc. This is download an app check enroll and your done. And this is actual mfg release, not a hacking team.
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    04-07-2014 08:43 PM
  14. Tony_Offends_U's Avatar
    most of those builds are only stable for handful of devices. Others are nightlys, rc''s. And require root, flashing recovery's etc. This is download an app check enroll and your done. And this is actual mfg release, not a hacking team.
    I'm sure more people know about root+flashing than setting up this dev account and using the app.
    04-07-2014 11:03 PM
  15. Tony_Offends_U's Avatar
    Nope.

    Rooting/custom roms are not easy to do for the average user and it voids a warranty and if you screw up your phone is wrecked. The Developer Preview is just a process of signing up and downloading an app and it works on every WP8 device, and no warranty issues.
    Other than people on here, how many people know how to/about signing up and downloading this app? Plus it's nothing to flash your phone back to stock thus restoring your warranty.
    04-07-2014 11:04 PM
  16. erzhik's Avatar
    Every Lumia device will be eligible to get it, HOWEVER it is up to carriers to decide whether or not you will get it. If the carrier believes that it will sell new Lumias instead of giving you an update, they will not push the update.
    04-07-2014 11:35 PM
  17. cckgz4's Avatar
    Other than people on here, how many people know how to/about signing up and downloading this app? Plus it's nothing to flash your phone back to stock thus restoring your warranty.
    So why are you dancing around my point? No one is discussing how promoted this method is, but that in comparison to rooting on android, this is EASY, like one installation and check for update easy. Ive rooted on android before and it is not done in two steps for every device
    04-07-2014 11:54 PM
  18. Tony_Offends_U's Avatar
    So why are you dancing around my point? No one is discussing how promoted this method is, but that in comparison to rooting on android, this is EASY, like one installation and check for update easy. Ive rooted on android before and it is not done in two steps for every device
    Hey, you asked a question and I gave you an answer and very valid point. Why you even bring up Android if you don't want to hear this?
    04-08-2014 12:00 AM
  19. msrb21's Avatar
    That's why we love Windows. Love for all the phones!
    04-08-2014 12:41 AM
  20. sashlon's Avatar
    Hey, you asked a question and I gave you an answer and very valid point. Why you even bring up Android if you don't want to hear this?
    You brought Android up.

    Rooting and romming is fine for phone nerds. I used to do it when I had an Android. But it is not accessible to the vast majority of users because it is a) beyond their capabilities and b) it voids warranties, and if you mess up, you've bricked your device.

    The Developer Preview is free and totally risk free and officially sanctioned.

    There is no comparison.

    Android users need to root and rom because Android OEMs are so bad at giving timely updates. Almost nothing outside of Nexus devices is ever filly up to date.
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    04-08-2014 12:58 AM
  21. taymur's Avatar
    The number of times this question was asked is toooo damn high.
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    04-08-2014 01:07 AM
  22. TechAbstract's Avatar
    Hey, you asked a question and I gave you an answer and very valid point. Why you even bring up Android if you don't want to hear this?
    Maybe easy for you but average people are not going to root and flash their phones. Rooting process on Android most of the time is different from phone to phone. OS updates from Developer Preview is basically going through the same steps for all WP8 phones. It will be even easier on the next OS update after that, you'll just accept and install. Fortunately there updates don't wipe your phone unlike some Android roms.
    04-08-2014 01:39 AM
  23. juanitoriv's Avatar
    Every business has fine print like this when it advertises. I'm not sure what line of work inteller is in, but businesses have always done this. If consumers really cared, people would boycott t-mo for a week until the 8X and 810 users get the updates. Or all the other WP8 users would sign a petition or show some force. But, because no one will do that, consumers who buy the wrong device or service are at the seller's mercy. I'm sure MSFT, HTC and Nokia would like to update both phones, but t-mo contracted them to make those devices. HTC and Nokia dare not jeopardize current and future business deals by breaking contract and releasing this update for a few hundred (or whatever the low number is) of users. At least more people bought the 822 on VZW, so when VZW tried that no update garbage, people revolted and VZW pushed through the update. But that was on the #2 carrier in terms of size and subscribers. T-mo is growing its base and will chuck WP8 users aside for the iPhone and Android crowd. You saw how t-mo was bullying Blackberry.

    THERE ARE NO REAL CONSEQUENCES COMING. There weren't any when MSFT went from WM 6.5 to WP7 and when they went from WP7 to WP8. People got left behind and nobody cared. That's the current structure we live in. Either you bend the rules to your advantage by buying unlocked phones and cutting the carriers out, or you buy a popular model. Or you take your business elsewhere.
    True Dat!!!!
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    04-08-2014 02:22 AM
  24. Tony_Offends_U's Avatar
    You brought Android up.
    Check post #58. That's not me.
    04-08-2014 05:24 AM
  25. George Jenkinson's Avatar
    SOMETIMES I WONDER IF PEOPLE READ THE SITE AT ALL...
    Windows Phone 8.1 update: everything you need to know - Nokia Conversations

    " It looks stunning and it’s coming to all Lumia smartphones running Windows Phone 8."
    I realise I'm joining this a little late and as I'm in the UK, my experience may be different. It seems to me there is an argument brewing based on semantics.

    Nokia say 8.1 is coming to all WP 8 phones - does this not also mean that (after a date to be decided) all phones that Nokia send to carriers will come pre-loaded with 8.1 as a matter of course?

    In regard to misleading info by Nokia - it isn't and it isn't Nokia who is misleading customers. When I listen to the radio and hear Ford announce a new car that they are releasing, if my local car showroom doesn't stock it, that not Ford's fault. If I want that car, I have to find a way to buy it. Surely the responsibility to get hold of it falls to me? It's the same surely, with the update - Nokia have made it available to every WP8 phone, but if the carriers decide they don't want to test it and push it on to their customers, it isn't Nokia's fault - Nokia haven't decided that only certain Lumias will get it and others won't. If this is where you anger stems from, you should direct the tirade against the carriers surely, as they are the ones that aren't pushing the update through their system?
    04-08-2014 06:03 AM
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