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  1. anon(8657436)'s Avatar
    Tell that to Android users who ended up with malware and rootkits installed on their phones or Symbian 60 users who ended up getting Trojans via Bluetooth!!!

    Ever hear of the Carrier IQ rootkit that was preinstalled on certain devices?
    Easy to f*** up Android. An enthusiast friend of mine made an Android app that sends SMS at certain intervals once you give it access. And the only way to stop it was to uninstall it. IT WAS JUST FOR FUN.
    04-30-2014 02:50 PM
  2. Noob1ee's Avatar
    I think your phone is a defect, not a virus.
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    04-30-2014 03:36 PM
  3. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    Tell that to Android users who ended up with malware and rootkits installed on their phones or Symbian 60 users who ended up getting Trojans via Bluetooth!!!

    Ever hear of the Carrier IQ rootkit that was preinstalled on certain devices?
    Is what I meant is that a lot of apps claiming to be an anti viruses, do nothing to protect you. I recall a recent story about one that was highly rated in the android store, but all the app really did was take your money and then do nothing.
    04-30-2014 03:46 PM
  4. neo158's Avatar
    Is what I meant is that a lot of apps claiming to be an anti viruses, do nothing to protect you. I recall a recent story about one that was highly rated in the android store, but all the app really did was take your money and then do nothing.
    Yes, there are scam anti virus programs on Android but if you download one from a reputable company then that won't happen.
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    04-30-2014 03:57 PM
  5. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    Yes, there are scam anti virus programs on Android but if you download one from a reputable company then that won't happen.
    I hope you don't mean Norton or any such company like that. Even on the PC, I gave up on antivirus a long time ago.
    04-30-2014 04:02 PM
  6. xandros9's Avatar
    Yes, there are scam anti virus programs on Android but if you download one from a reputable company then that won't happen.
    even then they aren't needed at all just yet imo
    04-30-2014 04:03 PM
  7. Xpider_MX's Avatar
    even then they aren't needed at all just yet imo
    Not in WP, but Android...
    04-30-2014 04:15 PM
  8. a5cent's Avatar
    Not in WP, but Android...
    I think as long as you don't side load apps, and as long as you have access to the Google Play store (and don't ever use any other app store), you should be safe on Android too. As soon as an Android user violates any one of those rules, that is when risk situation changes dramatically (applies to most people in eastern Europe and Asia, but not in western Europe or the U.S.).
    Last edited by a5cent; 04-30-2014 at 05:59 PM. Reason: spelling + last scentence
    04-30-2014 04:26 PM
  9. neo158's Avatar
    I hope you don't mean Norton or any such company like that. Even on the PC, I gave up on antivirus a long time ago.
    Yes, Norton and AVG, AVAST, McAfee, ESET, Bitdefender, Lookout, Malwarebytes, Sophos, Trend Micro, Kaspersky, Webroot and F-Secure.

    Unless you're saying they are all disreputable companies out to scam their potential customers, or are you one of those that believes the AV companies write the viruses to create a market for their software?
    04-30-2014 06:10 PM
  10. neo158's Avatar
    I think as long as you don't side load apps, and as long as you have access to the Google Play store (and don't ever use any other app store), you should be safe on Android too. As soon as an Android user violates any one of those rules, that is when risk situation changes dramatically (applies to most people in eastern Europe and Asia, but not in western Europe or the U.S.).
    Even so, Malware has got into the Play Store on at least two occasions so it's best practice to have an anti virus/anti malware app installed.
    04-30-2014 06:21 PM
  11. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    Yes, Norton and AVG, AVAST, McAfee, ESET, Bitdefender, Lookout, Malwarebytes, Sophos, Trend Micro, Kaspersky, Webroot and F-Secure.

    Unless you're saying they are all disreputable companies out to scam their potential customers, or are you one of those that believes the AV companies write the viruses to create a market for their software?
    I just tend to believe that using the built in windows 8 security and safe web practices, that additional virus protection is not needed.
    04-30-2014 06:32 PM
  12. neo158's Avatar
    I just tend to believe that using the built in windows 8 security and safe web practices, that additional virus protection is not needed.
    Fair enough but what happens when one of those "safe" websites suffers from an SQL injection attack!!!
    04-30-2014 06:37 PM
  13. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    I seriously LMAO every time a person says (s)he just got a virus on WP.
    05-01-2014 01:22 AM
  14. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    No you didn't, WP doesn't get viruses. Same with iPhone.
    Jailbroken iPhones can be quite vulnerable, jail breaking is a virus technically. WP has no such known exploits, so no loopholes for viruses abuse.
    You may have an infected file on your phone, but it won't do anything to your phone, only to your PC once you connect it, and the easiest way to get rid of it is to format the SD card (trough the phone, not PC) and reset the phone.

    If your phone is acting funny, try resetting it first, otherwise I'd accuse a faulty touch screen rather than a virus.
    05-01-2014 03:41 AM
  15. wuiyang's Avatar
    I just read a thread from another user asking for a WP Lumia 625 anti-virus but i wanna ask again over this topic since i got a virus on my phone that was passed on to my phone from my laptop and using my anti-virus wont work on scanning my phone either except for the SD card so.... anyone knows about any good anti-virus capable of taking, obviously, a virus off my WP?
    Windows phone is about 0% to get virus, but some app that you download from nowhere might have access to your photo and upload to a server
    oditius likes this.
    05-01-2014 03:49 AM
  16. A895's Avatar
    Even so, Malware has got into the Play Store on at least two occasions so it's best practice to have an anti virus/anti malware app installed.
    No. Not needed. Don`t spread misinformation when you don`t know everything on a topic.
    05-01-2014 06:12 AM
  17. a5cent's Avatar
    No. Not needed. Don`t spread misinformation when you don`t know everything on a topic.
    I think we are all guilty of overgeneralizations... you, NEO158, and myself.

    As is always the case with any computing related question, the only correct answer is: "it depends".

    For AOSP device users (which is the dominant Android flavour in use), who lack access to the Play store, people without anti-virus software are clearly asking for trouble. Most of us westerners have difficulty grasping just how different Russian's and Chinese' Android related security experiences are from our own.

    Nevertheless, even us westerners would be well advised to use malware protection software if we decide to side load apps. Then I'd say it is needed.

    If an Android device is used to store or access sensitive/confidential data, and the user is simultaneously an app junkie that downloads and experiments with many apps, then I'd also say it is needed. Better yet, don't even use the same device for these two tasks, but that isn't always possible.

    My point is that it really depends on how each of us use our devices and what the consequences of an infection would be. Often times, infection is a theoretical threat that is so small I'd say it is safe to ignore, other times it isn't.

    I also think it is fair to acknowledge that Android and WP definitely have differences as far as security is concerned. I think that was basically Neo158's main point.

    For example, there will always exist some subtle forms of Android malware, that will always slip past Google's protection systems. Anti-virus software won't detect them either, no matter how good they are. One example are the wallpaper apps that were recently discovered in the Play Store. These apps "hijack" a user's device to do bitcoin mining. These apps don't need access to anything on the device to misuse it. They don't steal anything. They cause no harm to your data. All the user will notice is a decrease in battery life and poorer performance. These types of apps are unique to Android due to the platform's flexibility. The more restricted nature of WP and iOS simply wouldn't allow that type of app to function. The good thing about Android, from a malware writers point of view, is that once your malware is able to get itself installed, it is able to do almost anything. In that sense Android is a malware writers wet dream.

    Here my point is that although Android's popularity certainly is the main reason it is a preferred targeted for malware developers, that is not the only reason!

    In summary, it is correct to acknowledge that Android has more security related issues to deal with than both iOS and WP, but there is no need to overdramatize the risk, particularly not for westerners who are typically hooked up to the Play store.
    Last edited by a5cent; 05-01-2014 at 10:43 AM. Reason: spelling
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    05-01-2014 07:41 AM
  18. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    Moderator please close this thread.
    a5cent likes this.
    05-01-2014 07:45 AM
  19. a5cent's Avatar
    Moderator please close this thread.
    You are right. It's definitely no longer about solving the OP's issue (my fault).

    Lets just agree to get back on topic. I'm reluctant to close it just yet, incase the OP requires further assistance. I'll close it if we can't get back on topic though.
    anon(8657436) likes this.
    05-01-2014 08:01 AM
  20. tk-093's Avatar
    I just read a thread from another user asking for a WP Lumia 625 anti-virus but i wanna ask again over this topic since i got a virus on my phone that was passed on to my phone from my laptop and using my anti-virus wont work on scanning my phone either except for the SD card so.... anyone knows about any good anti-virus capable of taking, obviously, a virus off my WP?
    Banhcs, do you have a screen protector on your phone? I think I remember somebody a few months back having weird things going on with their screen and once they took off their screen protector they went away.
    a5cent, anon(8657436) and xandros9 like this.
    05-01-2014 10:03 AM
  21. neo158's Avatar
    I think we are all guilty of overgeneralizations... you, NEO158, and myself.

    As is always the case with any computing related question, the only correct answer is: "it depends".

    For AOSP device users (which is the dominant Android flavour in use), who lack access to the Play store, people without anti-virus software are clearly asking for trouble. Most of us westerners have difficulty grasping just how different Russian's and Chinese' Android related security experiences are from our own.

    Nevertheless, even us westerners would be well advised to use malware protection software if we decide to side load apps. Then I'd say it is needed.

    If an Android device is used to store or access sensitive/confidential data, and the user is simultaneously an app junkie that downloads and experiments with many apps, then I'd also say it is needed. Better yet, don't even use the same device for these two tasks, but that isn't always possible.

    My point is that it really depends on how each of us use our devices and what the consequences of an infection would be. Often times, infection is a theoretical threat that is so small I'd say it is safe to ignore, other times it isn't.

    I also think it is fair to acknowledge that Android and WP definitely have differences as far as security is concerned. I think that was basically Neo158's main point.

    For example, there will always exist some subtle forms of Android malware, that will always slip past Google's protection systems. Anti-virus software won't detect them either, no matter how good they are. One example are the wallpaper apps were recently discovered in the Play Store. These apps "hijacked" a user's device to do bitcoin mining. These apps don't need access to anything on the device to misuse it. They don't steal anything. They cause no harm to your data. All the user will notice is a decrease in battery life and poorer performance. These types of apps are unique to Android due to the platform's flexibility. The more restricted nature of WP and iOS simply wouldn't allow that type of app to function. The good thing about Android, from a malware writers point of view, is that once your malware is able to get itself installed, it is able to do almost anything. In that sense Android is a malware writers wet dream.

    Here my point is that although Android's popularity certainly is the main reason it is a preferred targeted for malware developers, that is not the only reason!

    In summary, it is correct to acknowledge that Android has more security related issues to deal with than both iOS and WP, but there is no need to overdramatize the risk, particularly not for westerners who are typically hooked up to the Play store.
    That was my point entirely, no platform is completely secure but WP and iOS have less of an issue because of the walled garden nature of their ecosystems. With Android and desktop operating systems it's better to be safe than sorry. I say this because I've seen first hand the destructive nature of malware and virus infections, installing anti virus software after being infected is "shutting the gate after the horses have bolted".

    But to keep this on topic, no OP you don't need AV on your Windows Phone and as others have stated it could be a hardware issue so that would be the first thing to get checked out.
    a5cent likes this.
    05-01-2014 10:09 AM
  22. Chris Sandiford's Avatar
    Aliens.
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    05-01-2014 10:56 AM
  23. Muessig's Avatar
    This thread has derailed itself. Closed.
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    05-01-2014 11:26 AM
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